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    Ranking the HoF Players: 157-160

    Project Summary: To rank the worthiness of the players inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame from most worthy to least worthy.

    Election Format: Voters are to submit ballots ranking their 10 most worthy remaining Hall of Fame players in order of worthiness. Each first place vote will be worth 10 points, with each successive rank being worth one point less than the previous rank, ending in a tenth place vote being worth 1 point. Players will also receive one additional point for each ballot they are listed on and players must be listed on at least three ballots in order to be elected. The five players with the highest support at the end of each election will be elected in the order of their support. Elections will last approximately seven days.
    - Tiebreakers: Tiebreakers at the end of an election will be decided in the following order: 1) Total ballot appearances in that election; 2) Total points in that election irrespective of number of ballots; 3) Number of first place votes in that election; 4) Average ranking on ballots appeared on in that election. Players that lose a tiebreaker for the fifth spot in an election will be voted in as the sixth player in that election, with the next election to elect just four players.

    Factors to Consider: As this project focuses on players inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame, subjective qualities beyond just statistics should be taken into consideration in determining a player's relative worthiness. In that vein, the voting guidelines that the BBWAA is to follow in actual National Baseball Hall of Fame elections, may be instructive (though not necessarily determinative in this project): "Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

    Player Eligibility: Only players that have been elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame as players are eligible, including Negro League players and 19th Century players. A complete list of individuals that have been inducted as players is available at the National Baseball Hall of Fame's website, and is recreated below along with each player's corresponding BBF Rank as determined by this project:

    Results
    1) Babe Ruth
    2) Willie Mays
    3) Ty Cobb
    4) Ted Williams
    5) Hank Aaron
    6) Honus Wagner
    7) Walter Johnson
    8) Lou Gehrig
    9) Cy Young
    10) Stan Musial
    11) Mickey Mantle
    12) Rogers Hornsby
    13) Jackie Robinson
    14) Tris Speaker
    15) Josh Gibson
    16) Eddie Collins
    17) Satchel Paige
    18) Grover Alexander
    19) Frank Robinson
    20) Joe DiMaggio
    21) Oscar Charleston
    22) Mike Schmidt
    23) Lefty Grove
    24) Tom Seaver
    25) Cap Anson
    26) Christy Mathewson
    27) Rickey Henderson
    28) Jimmie Foxx
    29) Nap Lajoie
    30) Joe Morgan
    31) Johnny Bench
    32) Mel Ott
    33) Warren Spahn
    34) Yogi Berra
    35) Cal Ripken
    36) George Brett
    37) Pop Lloyd
    38) Kid Nichols
    39) Eddie Mathews
    40) Bob Feller
    41) Roberto Clemente
    42) Bob Gibson
    43) Joe Williams
    44) Carl Yastrzemski
    45) Hank Greenberg
    46) Dan Brouthers
    47) Steve Carlton
    48) Sandy Koufax
    49) Ed Delahanty
    50) Johnny Mize
    51) Al Kaline
    52) Turkey Stearnes
    53) Wade Boggs
    54) Charlie Gehringer
    55) Mickey Cochrane
    56) Reggie Jackson
    57) Arky Vaughan
    58) Roger Connor
    59) Nolan Ryan
    ---Top 25% Cutoff---
    60) Robin Yount
    61) Rod Carew
    62) Tony Gwynn
    63) Carl Hubbell
    64) Roy Campanella
    65) Ernie Banks
    66) Sam Crawford
    67) Duke Snider
    68) George Davis
    69) King Kelly
    70) John Ward
    71) Eddie Murray
    72) Bullet Rogan
    73) Harmon Killebrew
    74) Buck Ewing
    75) Billy Hamilton
    76) Gaylord Perry
    77) Carlton Fisk
    78) Paul Waner
    79) Juan Marichal
    80) Al Simmons
    81) John Clarkson
    82) Martin Dihigo
    83) Robin Roberts
    84) Willie McCovey
    85) Frankie Frisch
    86) Phil Niekro
    87) Eddie Plank
    88) Gary Carter
    89) Whitey Ford
    90) Tim Keefe
    91) Mordecai Brown
    92) Luke Appling
    93) Brooks Robinson
    94) Ferguson Jenkins
    95) Willie Stargell
    96) Frank Baker
    97) Jim Palmer
    98) Joe Cronin
    99) Bill Dickey
    100) Jesse Burkett
    101) Harry Heilmann
    102) Fred Clarke
    103) Buck Leonard
    104) Hoyt Wilhelm
    105) Ed Walsh
    106) Bert Blyleven
    107) Barry Larkin
    108) Gabby Hartnett
    109) Dave Winfield
    110) George Sisler
    111) Mule Suttles
    112) Joe Medwick
    113) Jim O'Rourke
    114) Jud Wilson
    115) Ozzie Smith
    116) Paul Molitor
    117) Charles Radbourn
    118) Monte Irvin
    ---Top 50% Cutoff---
    119) Ryne Sandberg
    120) Roberto Alomar
    121) Ron Santo
    122) Billy Williams
    123) Willie Keeler
    124) Willie Wells
    125) Cristobal Torriente
    126) Dennis Eckersley
    127) Zack Wheat
    128) Larry Doby
    129) Amos Rusie
    130) Goose Goslin
    131) Bill Terry
    132) Don Drysdale
    133) Dizzy Dean
    134) Lou Brock
    135) Rube Waddell
    136) Cool Papa Bell
    137) Hal Newhouser
    138) Joe Gordon
    139) Kirby Puckett
    140) Lou Boudreau
    141) Ralph Kiner
    142) Rich Gossage
    143) Dazzy Vance
    144) Pee Wee Reese
    145) Sam Thompson
    146) Pud Galvin
    147) Billy Herman
    148) Biz Mackey
    149) Louis Santop
    150) Early Wynn
    151) Stan Coveleski
    152) Edd Roush
    153) Don Sutton
    154) Ted Lyons
    155) Frank Chance
    156) Max Carey

    Master List
    Code:
    Player				BBF Rank
    Hank Aaron			5
    Grover Alexander		18
    Roberto Alomar			120
    Cap Anson			25
    Luis Aparicio
    Luke Appling			92
    Richie Ashburn
    Earl Averill
    Frank Baker			96
    Dave Bancroft
    Ernie Banks			65
    Jake Beckley
    Cool Papa Bell			136
    Johnny Bench			31
    Chief Bender
    Yogi Berra			34
    Bert Blyleven			106
    Wade Boggs			53
    Jim Bottomley
    Lou Boudreau			140
    Roger Bresnahan
    George Brett			36
    Lou Brock			134
    Dan Brouthers			46
    Mordecai Brown			91
    Ray Brown
    Willard Brown
    Jim Bunning
    Jesse Burkett			100
    Roy Campanella			64
    Rod Carew			61
    Max Carey			156
    Steve Carlton			47
    Gary Carter			88
    Orlando Cepeda
    Frank Chance			155
    Oscar Charleston		21
    Jack Chesbro
    Fred Clarke			102
    John Clarkson			81
    Roberto Clemente		41
    Ty Cobb				3
    Mickey Cochrane			55
    Eddie Collins			16
    Jimmy Collins
    Earle Combs
    Roger Connor			58
    Andy Cooper
    Stan Coveleski			151
    Sam Crawford			66
    Joe Cronin			98
    Kiki Cuyler
    Ray Dandridge
    George Davis			68
    Andre Dawson
    Leon Day
    Dizzy Dean			133
    Ed Delahanty			49
    Bill Dickey			99
    Martin Dihigo			82
    Joe DiMaggio			20
    Larry Doby			128
    Bobby Doerr
    Don Drysdale			132
    Hugh Duffy
    Dennis Eckersley		126
    Johnny Evers
    Buck Ewing			74
    Red Faber
    Bob Feller			40
    Rick Ferrell
    Rollie Fingers
    Carlton Fisk			77
    Elmer Flick
    Whitey Ford			89
    Bill Foster
    Nellie Fox
    Jimmie Foxx			28
    Frankie Frisch			85
    Pud Galvin			146
    Lou Gehrig			8
    Charlie Gehringer		54
    Bob Gibson			42
    Josh Gibson			15
    Lefty Gomez
    Joe Gordon			138
    Goose Goslin			130
    Rich Gossage			142
    Frank Grant
    Hank Greenberg			45
    Burleigh Grimes
    Lefty Grove			23
    Tony Gwynn			62
    Chick Hafey
    Jesse Haines
    Billy Hamilton			75
    Gabby Hartnett			108
    Harry Heilmann			101
    Rickey Henderson		27
    Billy Herman			147
    Pete Hill
    Harry Hooper
    Rogers Hornsby			12
    Waite Hoyt
    Carl Hubbell			63
    Catfish Hunter
    Monte Irvin			118
    Reggie Jackson			56
    Travis Jackson	
    Ferguson Jenkins		94
    Hugh Jennings
    Judy Johnson
    Walter Johnson			7
    Addie Joss
    Al Kaline			51
    Tim Keefe			90
    Willie Keeler			123
    George Kell
    Joe Kelley
    George Kelly
    King Kelly			69
    Harmon Killebrew		73
    Ralph Kiner			141
    Chuck Klein
    Sandy Koufax			48
    Nap Lajoie			29
    Barry Larkin			107
    Tony Lazzeri
    Bob Lemon
    Buck Leonard			103
    Freddie Lindstrom
    Pop Lloyd			37
    Ernie Lombardi
    Ted Lyons			154
    Biz Mackey			148
    Mickey Mantle			11
    Heinie Manush
    Rabbit Maranville
    Juan Marichal			79
    Rube Marquard
    Eddie Mathews			39
    Christy Mathewson		26
    Willie Mays			2
    Bill Mazeroski
    Tommy McCarthy
    Willie McCovey			84
    Joe McGinnity
    Bid McPhee
    Joe Medwick			112
    Jose Mendez
    Johnny Mize			50
    Paul Molitor			116
    Joe Morgan			30
    Eddie Murray			71
    Stan Musial			10
    Hal Newhouser			137
    Kid Nichols			38
    Phil Niekro			86
    Jim O’Rourke			113
    Mel Ott				32
    Satchel Paige			17
    Jim Palmer			97
    Herb Pennock
    Tony Perez
    Gaylord Perry			76
    Eddie Plank			87
    Kirby Puckett			139
    Charles Radbourn		117
    Pee Wee Reese			144
    Jim Rice
    Sam Rice
    Cal Ripken			35
    Eppa Rixey
    Phil Rizzuto
    Robin Roberts			83
    Brooks Robinson			93
    Frank Robinson			19
    Jackie Robinson			13
    Bullet Rogan			72
    Edd Roush			152
    Red Ruffing
    Amos Rusie			129
    Babe Ruth			1
    Nolan Ryan			59
    Ryne Sandberg			119
    Ron Santo			121
    Louis Santop			149
    Ray Schalk
    Mike Schmidt			22
    Red Schoendienst
    Tom Seaver			24
    Joe Sewell
    Al Simmons			80
    George Sisler			110
    Enos Slaughter
    Hilton Smith
    Ozzie Smith			115
    Duke Snider			67
    Warren Spahn			33
    Tris Speaker			14
    Willie Stargell			95
    Turkey Stearnes			52
    Bruce Sutter
    Mule Suttles			111
    Don Sutton			153
    Ben Taylor
    Bill Terry			131
    Sam Thompson			145
    Joe Tinker
    Cristobal Torriente		125
    Pie Traynor
    Dazzy Vance			143
    Arky Vaughan			57
    Rube Waddell			135
    Honus Wagner			6
    Bobby Wallace
    Ed Walsh			105
    Lloyd Waner
    Paul Waner			78
    John Ward			70
    Mickey Welch
    Willie Wells			124
    Zack Wheat			127
    Hoyt Wilhelm			104
    Billy Williams			122
    Joe Williams			43
    Ted Williams			4
    Vic Willis
    Hack Wilson
    Jud Wilson			114
    Dave Winfield			109
    Early Wynn			150
    Carl Yastrzemski		44
    Cy Young			9
    Ross Youngs
    Robin Yount			60
    Ranking by Primary Position
    Catcher (12): Josh Gibson (15), Johnny Bench (31), Yogi Berra (34), Mickey Cochrane (55), Roy Campanella (64), Buck Ewing (74), Carlton Fisk (77), Gary Carter (88), Bill Dickey (99), Gabby Hartnett (108), Biz Mackey (148), Louis Santop (149)

    First Base (15): Lou Gehrig (8), Cap Anson (25), Jimmie Foxx (28), Hank Greenberg (45), Dan Brouthers (46), Johnny Mize (50), Roger Connor (58), Eddie Murray (71), Harmon Killebrew (73), Willie McCovey (84), Buck Leonard (103), George Sisler (110), Mule Suttles (111), Bill Terry (131), Frank Chance (155)

    Second Base (12): Rogers Hornsby (12), Jackie Robinson (13), Eddie Collins (16), Nap Lajoie (29), Joe Morgan (30), Charlie Gehringer (54), Rod Carew (61), Frankie Frisch (85), Ryne Sandberg (119), Roberto Alomar (120), Joe Gordon (138), Billy Herman (147)

    Shortstop (15): Honus Wagner (6), Cal Ripken (35), Pop Lloyd (37), Arky Vaughan (57), Robin Yount (60), Ernie Banks (65), George Davis (68), John Ward (70), Luke Appling (92), Joe Cronin (98), Barry Larkin (107), Ozzie Smith (115), Willie Wells (124), Lou Boudreau (140), Pee Wee Reese (144)

    Third Base (9): Mike Schmidt (22), George Brett (36), Eddie Mathews (39), Wade Boggs (53), Brooks Robinson (93), Frank Baker (96), Jud Wilson (114), Paul Molitor (116), Ron Santo (121)

    Left Field (17): Ted Williams (4), Stan Musial (10), Rickey Henderson (27), Carl Yastrzemski (44), Ed Delahanty (49), Al Simmons (80), Willie Stargell (95), Jesse Burkett (100), Fred Clarke (102), Joe Medwick (112), Jim O'Rourke (113), Monte Irvin (118), Billy Williams (122), Zack Wheat (127), Goose Goslin (130), Lou Brock (134), Ralph Kiner (141)

    Center Field (15): Willie Mays (2), Ty Cobb (3), Mickey Mantle (11), Tris Speaker (14), Joe DiMaggio (20), Oscar Charleston (21), Turkey Stearnes (52), Duke Snider (67), Billy Hamilton (75), Cristobal Torriente (125), Larry Doby (128), Cool Papa Bell (136), Kirby Puckett (139), Edd Roush (152), Max Carey (156)

    Right Field (15): Babe Ruth (1), Hank Aaron (5), Frank Robinson (19), Mel Ott (32), Roberto Clemente (41), Al Kaline (51), Reggie Jackson (56), Tony Gwynn (62), Sam Crawford (66), King Kelly (69), Paul Waner (78), Harry Heilmann (101), Dave Winfield (109), Willie Keeler (123), Sam Thompson (145)

    Pitcher (46): Walter Johnson (7), Cy Young (9), Satchel Paige (17), Grover Alexander (18), Lefty Grove (23), Tom Seaver (24), Christy Mathewson (26), Warren Spahn (33), Kid Nichols (38), Bob Feller (40), Bob Gibson (42), Joe Williams (43), Steve Carlton (47), Sandy Koufax (48), Nolan Ryan (59), Carl Hubbell (63), Bullet Rogan (72), Gaylord Perry (76), Juan Marichal (79), John Clarkson (81), Martin Dihigo (82), Robin Roberts (83), Phil Niekro (86), Eddie Plank (87), Whitey Ford (89), Tim Keefe (90), Mordecai Brown (91), Ferguson Jenkins (94), Jim Palmer (97), Hoyt Wilhelm (104), Ed Walsh (105), Bert Blyleven (106), Charles Radbourn (117), Dennis Eckersley (126), Amos Rusie (129), Don Drysdale (132), Dizzy Dean (133), Rube Waddell (135), Hal Newhouser (137), Rich Gossage (142), Dazzy Vance (143), Pud Galvin (146), Early Wynn (150), Stan Coveleski (151), Don Sutton (153), Ted Lyons (154)

    Ranking by Primary Decade
    1880s (11): Cap Anson (25), Dan Brouthers (46), Roger Connor (58), King Kelly (69), John Ward (70), Buck Ewing (74), John Clarkson (81), Tim Keefe (90), Jim O'Rourke (113), Charles Radbourn (117), Pud Galvin (146)

    1890s (9): Cy Young (9), Kid Nichols (38), Ed Delahanty (49), George Davis (68), Billy Hamilton (75), Jesse Burkett (100), Willie Keeler (123), Amos Rusie (129), Sam Thompson (145)

    1900 (9): Honus Wagner (6), Christy Mathewson (26), Nap Lajoie (29), Sam Crawford (66), Eddie Plank (87), Mordecai Brown (91), Fred Clarke (102), Rube Waddell (135), Frank Chance (155)

    1910s (12): Ty Cobb (3), Walter Johnson (7), Tris Speaker (14), Eddie Collins (16), Grover Alexander (18), Pop Lloyd (37), Joe Williams (43), Frank Baker (96), Ed Walsh (105), Zack Wheat (127), Louis Santop (149), Max Carey (156)

    1920s (14): Babe Ruth (1), Rogers Hornsby (12), Oscar Charleston (21), Turkey Stearnes (52), Bullet Rogan (72), Frankie Frisch (85), Harry Heilmann (101), George Sisler (110), Cristobal Torriente (125), Goose Goslin (130), Dazzy Vance (143), Biz Mackey (148), Stan Coveleski (151), Edd Roush (152)

    1930s (26): Lou Gehrig (8), Josh Gibson (15), Satchel Paige (17), Lefty Grove (23), Jimmie Foxx (28), Mel Ott (32), Hank Greenberg (45), Charlie Gehringer (54), Mickey Cochrane (55), Arky Vaughan (57), Carl Hubbell (63), Paul Waner (78), Al Simmons (80), Martin Dihigo (82), Joe Cronin (98), Bill Dickey (99), Gabby Hartnett (108), Mule Suttles (111), Joe Medwick (112), Jud Wilson (114), Willie Wells (124), Bill Terry (131), Dizzy Dean (133), Cool Papa Bell (136), Billy Herman (147), Ted Lyons (154)

    1940s (12): Ted Williams (4), Stan Musial (10), Joe DiMaggio (20), Bob Feller (40), Johnny Mize (50), Luke Appling (92), Buck Leonard (103), Monte Irvin (118), Hal Newhouser (137), Joe Gordon (138), Lou Boudreau (140), Pee Wee Reese (144)

    1950s (12): Mickey Mantle (11), Jackie Robinson (13), Warren Spahn (33), Yogi Berra (34), Eddie Mathews (39), Roy Campanella (64), Duke Snider (67), Robin Roberts (83), Whitey Ford (89), Larry Doby (128), Ralph Kiner (141), Early Wynn (150)

    1960s (16): Willie Mays (2), Hank Aaron (5), Frank Robinson (19), Roberto Clemente (41), Bob Gibson (42), Sandy Koufax (48), Al Kaline (51), Ernie Banks (65), Harmon Killebrew (73), Juan Marichal (79), Willie McCovey (84), Brooks Robinson (93), Hoyt Wilhelm (104), Ron Santo (121), Billy Williams (122), Don Drysdale (132)

    1970s (17): Tom Seaver (24), Joe Morgan (30), Johnny Bench (31), Carl Yastrzemski (44), Steve Carlton (47), Reggie Jackson (56), Nolan Ryan (59), Rod Carew (61), Gaylord Perry (76), Carlton Fisk (77), Phil Niekro (86), Ferguson Jenkins (94), Willie Stargell (95), Jim Palmer (97), Bert Blyleven (106), Lou Brock (134), Don Sutton (153)

    1980s (15): Mike Schmidt (22), Rickey Henderson (27), Cal Ripken (35), George Brett (36), Wade Boggs (53), Robin Yount (60), Tony Gwynn (62), Eddie Murray (71), Gary Carter (88), Dave Winfield (109), Ozzie Smith (115), Paul Molitor (116), Ryne Sandberg (119), Dennis Eckersley (126), Rich Gossage (142)

    1990s (3): Barry Larkin (107), Roberto Alomar (120), Kirby Puckett (139)

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  2. #2
    1) Jimmy Collins
    2) Earl Averill
    3) Red Ruffing
    4) Roger Bresnahan
    5) Elmer Flick
    6) Andre Dawson
    7) Richie Ashburn
    8) Bobby Wallace
    9) Joe Kelley
    10) Bobby Doerr

  3. #3
    1 - Jimmy Collins
    2 - Pie Traynor
    3 - Red Ruffing
    4 - Bid McPhee
    5 - Hughie Jennings
    6 - Richie Ashburn
    7 - Leon Day
    8 - Jake Beckley
    9 - Joe Kelley
    10 - Roger Bresnahan

    My next batch, in order - Ray Dandridge, Mickey Welch, Earl Averill, Jim Bunning, Joe McGinnity, Red Faber, Orlando Cepeda, Hugh Duffy, Bob Lemon, Bobby Doerr
    Last edited by SavoyBG; 03-25-2012 at 07:33 PM.

  4. #4
    1. Phil Rizzuto
    2. Johnny Evers
    3. Earl Averill
    4. Roger Bresnahan
    5. Bobby Doerr
    6. Jimmy Collins
    7. Joe McGinnity
    8. Bid McPhee
    9. Bobby Wallace
    10. Jim Bunning

    In queue: Richie Ashburn, Enos Slaughter, Bob Lemon, Rabbit Maranville, Hughie Jennings

  5. #5
    1. Rollie Fingers
    2. Andre Dawson
    3. Mickey Welch
    4. Nellie Fox
    5. Richie Ashburn
    6. Chuck Klein
    7. Orlando Cepeda
    8. Bobby Doerr
    9. Hugh Duffy
    10. Elmer Flick

    Just missed : Pie Traynor, Jim Rice, Kiki Cuyler

    Soon : Joe McGinnity, Enos Slaughter

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    1. Jimmy Collins
    2. Richie Ashburn
    3. Ray Brown
    4. Earl Averill
    5. Joe McGinnity
    6. Pie Traynor
    7. Elmer Flick
    8. Bid McPhee
    9. Hughie Jennings
    10. Lefty Gonez

    Evers, Bunning, Bender, Duffy to follow

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    1. Hugh Jennings
    2. Jim Bunning
    3. Joe Kelley
    4. Willard Brown
    5. Ray Brown
    6. Red Ruffing
    7. Bobby Wallace
    8. Elmer Flick
    9. Will Foster
    10.Andre Dawson
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    1. Pete Hill (10)
    2. Enos Slaughter (9)
    3. Frank Grant (8)
    4. Ray Brown (7)
    5. Willard Brown (6)
    6. Earl Averill (5)
    7. Joe McGinnity (4)
    8. Jimmy Collins (3)
    9. Bobby Doerr (2)
    10. Addie Joss (1)
    Pie Traynor
    Jim Bunning
    Roger Bresnahan
    Joe Sewell
    Richie Ashburn
    Bobby Wallace
    Willie Foster
    Joe Kelley
    Red Faber
    Bob Lemon

  9. #9
    1. Willard Brown
    2. Bill Foster
    3. Leon Day
    4. Hilton Smith
    5. Earl Averill
    6. Joe Kelly
    7. Bobby Wallace
    8. Elmer Flick
    9. Hugh Duffy
    10. Andre Dawson

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    11. Enos Slaughter
    12. Jim Bunning
    13. Early Wynn
    14. Richie Ashburn
    15. Bob Lemon
    Last edited by rsuriyop; 03-23-2012 at 02:57 PM. Reason: Inserted Earl Averill into the #5 spot. Had been confusing him for Earl Combs, an inferior player.
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    1. Orlando Cepeda
    2. Andre Dawson
    3. Bobby Doerr
    4. Catfish Hunter
    5. Bruce Sutter
    6. Richie Ashburn
    7. Jim Rice
    8. Bob Lemon
    9. Rollie Fingers
    10. Leon Day
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  11. #11
    1) Joe McGinnity
    2) Sam Rice
    3) Joe Kelley
    4) Andre Dawson
    5) Hugh Duffy
    6) Chuck Klein
    7) Richie Ashburn
    8) Mickey Welch
    9) Jake Beckley
    10) Heinie Manush
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  12. #12
    1. Pete Hill
    2. Mickey Welch
    3. Elmer Flick
    4. Orlando Cepeda
    5. Bid McPhee
    6. Bobby Doerr
    7. Earl Averill
    8. Jimmy Collins
    9. Roger Bresnahan
    10. Ray Brown

  13. #13
    Aside from my ballot this round and the players I listed after that, I just put the rest of the eligible players in order. I've got Tommy McCarthy as the least deserving HOFer.

    Frank Grant
    Nellie Fox
    Phil Rizzuto
    Luis Aparicio
    Tony Perez
    Bobby Wallace
    Addie Joss
    Enos Slaughter
    Joe Sewell
    Rabbit Maranville
    Elmer Flick
    Eppa Rixey
    Bill Foster
    Andre Dawson
    Kiki Cuyler
    Heinie Manush
    Burleigh Grimes
    Chief Bender
    Johnny Evers
    Joe Tinker
    Vic Willis
    Ray Brown
    Hack Wilson
    Sam Rice
    Harry Hooper
    Tony Lazzeri
    Judy Johnson
    Dave Bancroft
    Rollie Fingers
    Catfish Hunter
    Waite Hoyt
    Lefty Gomez
    Jim Rice
    Chuck Klein
    Earle Combs
    Red Schoendienst
    Jack Chesbro
    Jim Bottomley
    George Kell
    Ernie Lombardi
    Herb Pennock
    Jose Mendez
    Hilton Smith
    Bill Mazeroski
    Jesse Haines
    Fred Lindstrom
    Travis Jackson
    Bruce Sutter
    Rube Marquard
    Ray Schalk
    Rick Ferrell
    Andy Cooper
    Pete Hill
    Willard Brown
    Ben Taylor
    Ross Youngs
    Lloyd Waner
    Chick Hafey
    George Kelly
    Tommy McCarthy
    Last edited by SavoyBG; 03-27-2012 at 11:23 PM.

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    This election ended today but I might not be able to tally the votes and post the results for several days (maybe a week). I won't count any votes that come in after this post. Alternatively, if someone wants to take initiative and tally the votes and post the results, feel free (just remember to give an additional point for total number of votes a player receives and that tiebreakers are: 1) total votes; 2) total points; 3) first place votes; 4) average ranking), though I still won't be able to start the next election for several days.

  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleX View Post
    This election ended today but I might not be able to tally the votes and post the results for several days (maybe a week). I won't count any votes that come in after this post. Alternatively, if someone wants to take initiative and tally the votes and post the results, feel free (just remember to give an additional point for total number of votes a player receives and that tiebreakers are: 1) total votes; 2) total points; 3) first place votes; 4) average ranking), though I still won't be able to start the next election for several days.
    I'll do the tally.

  16. #16
    Here are the results. There was a big gap between the last electee and the also rans.

    FOUR ELECTED

    1) Jimmy Collins - 41+6 = 47
    2) Earl Averill - 39+6 = 45
    3) Richie Ashburn - 33+6 = 39
    4) Andre Dawson - 32+6 = 38


    THE REST

    Bobby Doerr - 25+6 = 31
    Elmer Flick - 25+6 = 31
    Joe Kelley - 25+5 = 30
    Joe McGinnity - 24+4 = 28
    Ray Brown - 22+4 = 26
    Willard Brown - 23+3 = 26
    Orlando Cepada - 21+3 = 24
    Red Ruffing - 21+3 = 24
    Mickey Welch - 20+3 = 23
    Bid McPhee - 10+4 = 23
    Pete Hill - 20+2 = 22
    Hughie Jennings - 18+3 = 21
    Roger Bresnahan - 17+4 = 21
    Bobby Wallace - 13+4 = 17
    Pie Traynor - 14+2 = 16
    Leon Day - 13+3 = 16
    Rollie Fingers - 12+2 = 14
    Hugh Duffy - 10+3 = 13
    Bill Foster - 11+2 = 13
    Chuck Klein - 10+2 = 12
    Jim Bunning - 10+1 = 11
    Addie Joss - 10+1 = 11
    Phil Rizzuto - 10+1 = 11
    Johnny Evers - 9+1 = 10
    Sam Rice - 9+1 = 10
    Enos Slaughter - 9+1 = 10
    Frank Grant - 8+1 = 9
    Nellie Fox - 7+1 = 8
    Catfish Hunter - 7+1 = 8
    Hilton Smith - 7+1 = 8
    Jake Beckley - 5+2 = 7
    Bruce Sutter - 6+1 = 7
    Jim Rice - 4+1 = 5
    Bob Lemon - 3+1 = 4
    Lefty Gomez - 1+1 = 2
    Heinie Manush - 1+1 = 2
    Last edited by SavoyBG; 03-27-2012 at 11:35 PM.

  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleX View Post
    tiebreakers are: 1) total votes; 2) total points; 3) first place votes; 4) average ranking), though I still won't be able to start the next election for several days.
    I'm pretty sure that the 4th tiebreaker is useless. If two players are still tied after the first 3 tiebreakers, the 4th will also be a tie. In the case of Flick and Doerr....

    Elmer Flick - 5-10-7-8-8-3
    Bobby Doerr - 10-5-8-9-3-6

    Both had 6 votes
    Both had 31 points
    Neither had a first place vote
    Average ranking is the same, and would have to be the same if the first three tie breakers did not settle it.
    I gave it to Doerr by virtue of the fact that each player had a 3rd place ranking and a 5th place ranking, Doerr then had a 6th place ranking while Flick a 7th place ranking.

    Might I suggest, if 2 players are still tied after your tie breakers, like if they each have the exact same rankings in the round, the next tie breaker can be each player's point total from the previous round, OR each player's cumulative point total from all previous rounds.
    Last edited by SavoyBG; 03-27-2012 at 11:39 PM.

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    Solid four selections. I expect we'll see another large gap at 3B after Collins.

    Irrespective of my own list, the two names getting little attention that surprise me at this point are Jim Bunning and Enos Slaughter.

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by J W View Post
    Solid four selections. I expect we'll see another large gap at 3B after Collins.
    Looks like Traynor is next up at 3B. although he was only on 2 of the 9 balots in this round. I have him first on my ballot for the next round. I think anybody who was considered the best ever at his position for a substantial time gets a bonus, even though in Pie's case he was clearly overrated by those who voted him the greatest 3Bman ever in 1969. From the end of WW2 until the late 1970s or later, Traynor was usually cited as the greatest 3Bman of all time. Hard to believe that Mathews did not overtake him, but in those days people were still obsessed with batting averages.

    One interesting tidbit, Traynor is the only Major League Baseball player ever to steal home in an All-Star Game.
    Last edited by SavoyBG; 03-28-2012 at 07:30 AM.

  20. #20
    Thanks Savoy. I probably won't get the next election going until next week.

  21. #21

    Ranking the HOF Players; 157-160

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    Chuck Klein
    Don Sutton
    Hughie Jennings
    Rollie Fingers
    Bob Lemon
    Orlanda Cepeda
    Andre Dawson
    Richie Ashburn
    Nellie Fox

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