USSSA BPF Bats (1.15)

**JRH11** · 03-26-2012, 11:30 AM

Just curious to hear your opionions on the 1.15 bats. We had our first game yesterday (11U) and I was somewhat surprised at the hitting. The ball seemed to be dead coming off the bats (compared to last year). We played a very good team, one in which we have a history over the past few years. We are very good AA team and comeptetive at AAA. They are a very good AAA team. I was greatly underwhelmed with the pop of the new bats. Anyone else seeing the same?

Thx!

**scorekeeper** · 03-26-2012, 12:21 PM

What’s your concern? Are you saying there should be more pop in the bats?

**trschnell** · 03-26-2012, 12:26 PM

IMO baseball is returning its lower levels of play to the level of bat performance associated with MLB and wood bats (smaller sweetpot, less rebound/launch)
"Pop" now really means "Pop", and a player with a hands only swing without full body commitment will not experience any aid from the bat itself, in demonstrating "pop".
And pitchers and infielders and base coaches are playing in an environment that's more reasonable

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...ses/53400702/1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=gxI3svB_O44

http://baseballexpress.wordpress.com/ncaa-bat-ban/

**cps** · 03-26-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by trschnell

IMO baseball is returning its lower levels of play to the level of bat performance associated with MLB and wood bats (smaller sweetpot, less rebound/launch)
"Pop" now really means "Pop", and a player with a hands only swing without full body commitment will not experience any aid from the bat itself, in demonstrating "pop".
And pitchers and infielders and base coaches are playing in an environment that's more reasonable

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...ses/53400702/1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=gxI3svB_O44

http://baseballexpress.wordpress.com/ncaa-bat-ban/

BPF is not the same as BBCOR.....USSSA used to allow unregulated bats, now it requires BPF 1.15

**trschnell** · 03-26-2012, 12:55 PM

Sorry, while question was obviously about 11U, I missed that. Do I have this correct?
At 14U and younger, USSSA allows BPF 1.15, BBCOR -3, or Wood bats for official play.
At 15U and older, USSSA follows NFHS, which is BBCOR -3.

http://www.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-gen...nouncement.pdf

**real green** · 03-26-2012, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by JRH11

Just curious to hear your opionions on the 1.15 bats. We had our first game yesterday (11U) and I was somewhat surprised at the hitting. The ball seemed to be dead coming off the bats (compared to last year). We played a very good team, one in which we have a history over the past few years. We are very good AA team and comeptetive at AAA. They are a very good AAA team. I was greatly underwhelmed with the pop of the new bats. Anyone else seeing the same?

Thx!

Nope, There are a lot of very hot bats. Alloys would incude some Anderson, Voodoo -10, F3, and F5. Composites CF4, CF5, most Eastons and Combats. The story on the new comps is they take much longer to break in than the past.

I have seen 5 mishit flyballs go out in the last 3 games. From a Techzilla and a year old -10 Omen (well broken in). I have seen 3 shots never get higher than 10 ft clear the fences. I have to assume these are at the max BPF 1.15 allowed which still a very hot.

It's my understanding wood bats are rated BPF 1.00

**JCincy** · 03-26-2012, 06:30 PM

We were just told at practice tonight... no stamp and your bat is illegal.

We have a bat less than a year old. NOT LEGAL. Ridiculous.

What's next, will the gloves have to have stupid stamp? How about the kids?

**rlb** · 03-26-2012, 08:56 PM

In USSSA, the old USSSA mark is allowed for 2012 and 2013. The new thumb stamp is not required until 2014.

SMALL BARREL BATS

A. 2011. For 2011, all Small Barrel baseball bats (2 1/4" and less) made by approved USSSA licensed manufacturers (a list of these approved manufacturers is found on USSSA/Baseball website) are allowed in USSSA play.

B. 2012 and 2013. For 2012 and 2013, only those Small Barrel bats made by approved USSSA licensed manufacturers that are either (1) Wood or (2) made with the old USSSA mark or the New USSSA Mark will be allowed in USSSA play. This includes Tee Ball bats that are longer than 23 inches. 23 inch and shorter Small Barrel Tee Ball bats from approved USSSA licensed manufacturers will continue to be allowed in 2012 and 2013 without the old or New USSSA Mark.

C. 2014. For 2014, only those Small Barrel bats made by approved USSSA licensed manufacturers that are either (1) Wood or (2) made with the New USSSA Mark will be allowed in USSSA play. This includes all Tee Ball bats that are longer than 23 inches. 23 inch and shorter Small Barrel Tee Ball bats from approved USSSA licensed manufacturers will continue to be allowed in 2014 without the New USSSA Mark.

**Roothog66** · 03-27-2012, 10:11 AM

[QUOTE=rlb;1993184]In USSSA, the old USSSA mark is allowed for 2012 and 2013. The new thumb stamp is not required until 2014.

That is only true for youth (2 1/4") bats. Most of us outside of LL don't use 2 1/4" bats. However, I don't think there has been any change at all in the bats (Senior League and Youth). -3's are a different story.

**Chris O'Leary** · 03-27-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by JCincy

We were just told at practice tonight... no stamp and your bat is illegal.

We have a bat less than a year old. NOT LEGAL. Ridiculous.

What's next, will the gloves have to have stupid stamp? How about the kids?

Around here they gave people 1 year of warning about the need for the stamp.

**Roothog66** · 03-27-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary

Around here they gave people 1 year of warning about the need for the stamp.

For most organizations that's true. The problem comes with some of the parents and their lack of an ability to keep informed. Around here on some of the rec/lower level teams there was quite a problem. A local sporting goods store (a very large one) had their unstamped bats on a huge rack up front all marked down from $300+ to $50. Many uninformed parents thought they had really found quite a deal. Unfortunately, there were no disclaimers and the store's employees weren't very good about passing along warnings.

**JRH11** · 03-27-2012, 11:32 AM

Appreciate the banter on this. I'd be interested in hearing stories about bats being checked during games. My guess is that it will be few and far between.

**Swing Coach** · 03-27-2012, 07:17 PM

Sorry..but 14u teams entering USSSA events must have the new stamp on the bat. Problem is, the bats from last year dont have the stamp, which means kids would have to buy a new USSSA stamped bat to use for a small handful of events. They also would need to buy a BBCOR bat because most non-USSSA 14u events where I am from require BBCOR. No kids on my team have both...in other words, no kids have purchased two new bats in 2012. So, Do you make the kids who have the BBCOR bats share for those events and make the kids who have USSsA bats share for those events? Parents are not keen on sharing their kid's bat. What about the kids who have neither bat and say they are waiting until this winter to buy a BBCOR bat, which they will need for HS? Then you have some parents insisting their kid will use his BBCOR bat in USSSA events because a USSsA stamped bat is a -5 instead of a -3....and they imply that going to a lighter bat will ruin the kid's swing. I guess I will just let them figure out on their own that they are bringing a knife to a gun fight. What a mess!

SC