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    Joey Votto agrees to 10 year $225 million extension.


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    I like the idea of having the Reds keep Votto but is a ten year deal really a good idea?
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    I really hope this oversized contract bubble pops soon.
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    Didn't see that coming my god 10 years? Thats overkill!

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    From a purely baseball sense, it's better than the Pujols deal by a mile. Votto is almost 4 years younger, and just as good as Albert at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    From a purely baseball sense, it's better than the Pujols deal by a mile. Votto is almost 4 years younger, and just as good as Albert at the moment.
    Votto is currently 28 years old. If you were GM, would you offer Votto ten years? Would he be any good at age 38 in 2023? Past performance is no guarantee of future results. This is over $200 million. If this backfires, it will become a white elephant for the Cincinnati Reds.

    I like the idea of extending Votto but would not go so far as to offer ten years. Five years, perhaps seven years. But not ten years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue387 View Post
    Votto is currently 28 years old. If you were GM, would you offer Votto ten years? Would he be any good at age 38 in 2023? Past performance is no guarantee of future results. This is over $200 million. If this backfires, it will become a white elephant for the Cincinnati Reds.

    I like the idea of extending Votto but would not go so far as to offer ten years. Five years, perhaps seven years. But not ten years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderPressure View Post
    Say good-bye to 5-year (or shorter) contracts to superstars. Superstars will now get 8-year contracts or longer.
    Until it backfires on someone. Trends are what they are, trends. Someone sets them and the rest follow, until someone gets burned. Then the trend reverses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue387 View Post
    Votto is currently 28 years old. If you were GM, would you offer Votto ten years? Would he be any good at age 38 in 2023? Past performance is no guarantee of future results. This is over $200 million. If this backfires, it will become a white elephant for the Cincinnati Reds.

    I like the idea of extending Votto but would not go so far as to offer ten years. Five years, perhaps seven years. But not ten years.
    I don't disagree with anything that you are saying. All I said was that it's better than the Pujols deal. It's for less money and Votto is almost 4 years younger than Pujols and just as good as him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    I don't disagree with anything that you are saying. All I said was that it's better than the Pujols deal. It's for less money and Votto is almost 4 years younger than Pujols and just as good as him.
    I think the difference is, if both deals are busts, it will hurt the Reds a lot more.
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    This deal makes me think of Todd Helton's 9-year, $141.5MM deal back in '01. Both were 27 when they signed their contracts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich the Giants fan View Post
    This deal makes me think of Todd Helton's 9-year, $141.5MM deal back in '01. Both were 27 when they signed their contracts.
    From '01 through '11, Helton hit .319/.424 /.534 and accumulated 46.7 WAR. There have been many worse long-term deals than Helton's.

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    Unfortunately, to keep the superstar player, you have to add the extra 2 or 3 years onto the contract in seems...

    Most of these players won't be any good after the 7th year probably.

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    ugly deal but the Reds need him to stay

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    The Reds are giving him lots of money in the future for him to produce now, just like Los Angeles is with Pujols. As with the Angels, if the Reds win a World Series in the next ten years, I don't think they or their fans will care how much anyone is making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    From '01 through '11, Helton hit .319/.424/.534 and accumulated 46.7 WAR. There have been many worse long-term deals than Helton's.
    2000-04 (3,448 PA): .344/.450/.643, 160 OPS+, 36.7 WAR
    2005-11 (3,927 PA): .303/.409/.468, 121 OPS+, 18.8 WAR

    That's quite a steep decline for Helton. Most of his value came earlier in his career. Still, Helton's contract is far from one of the worse. I thought He would age much better than he actually did.
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    I think this is a bad deal. Sure Pujols is older and already in decline so that is arguably worse but I do not see Votto aging well. He is great now but this will bury them at the end.

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    You just have to wonder how much a deal like this will hamstring the Reds from spending for that extra player or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowtipper View Post
    I really hope this oversized contract bubble pops soon.
    So much for the recession. Eventually these high contracts will drive up the ticket prices so much that the stadiums will begin to look empty - kind of how games in Oakland look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    From a purely baseball sense, it's better than the Pujols deal by a mile. Votto is almost 4 years younger, and just as good as Albert at the moment.
    I agree. And the Fielder deal too since Votto is a better all around player and hits for higher average with similar power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
    I think this is a bad deal. Sure Pujols is older and already in decline so that is arguably worse but I do not see Votto aging well. He is great now but this will bury them at the end.
    Pujols' almost won the triple crown in 2010 and his OPS+ from June through October (5 months) of 2011 was over 180. I am not sure he is really declining quite yet. I would bet that Votto will be better longer than Pujols at this point, but would anybody really be shocked if Pujols wasn't outperforming Votto and Fielder in 5-6 years? I wouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
    The Reds are giving him lots of money in the future for him to produce now, just like Los Angeles is with Pujols. As with the Angels, if the Reds win a World Series in the next ten years, I don't think they or their fans will care how much anyone is making.
    A lot of Reds fans had all but had him leaving. So there is excitement right now. Of course, he will need to continue hitting as he has done the last two seasons. People loved Ken Griffey Jr until he started getting hurt, and there was still some fan resentment when he did sign his first post-trade contract. As long as Votto performs and stays the driving force behind what could be a very good team for a while, fans in the Queen City will be behind him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
    A lot of Reds fans had all but had him leaving. So there is excitement right now. Of course, he will need to continue hitting as he has done the last two seasons. People loved Ken Griffey Jr until he started getting hurt, and there was still some fan resentment when he did sign his first post-trade contract. As long as Votto performs and stays the driving force behind what could be a very good team for a while, fans in the Queen City will be behind him.
    Right on. The Reds brass must have the ultimate confidence in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
    The Reds brass must have the ultimate confidence in him.
    Ken Rosenthal says the ten year deal has a full no-trade clause.

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