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    Sons and Daughters, Baseball and Ballet

    So, all of a sudden, my daughter Willa (9 in June) has taken an interest in baseball. I'm thrilled! She asked me to play catch with her a couple of weeks ago, and It was like the "Field of Dreams" moment when Kevin Costner asked his ghost dad for a catch. For a week she used her brother's RHT glove on her left hand and threw with her right until I got here a lefty glove. Went to the cages and she got the bat on the ball more often than I thought she would.

    She studies ballet. And she is good. Long and lean, several instructors have pulled me aside and told me she has the stuff to be a great dancer. What I have found is how easy it is to give her instruction, especially movement. Never seen a kid learn to crow-hop as fast as she did. "Oh, Dad. It is the same as a pas de chat!" "Uh...yeah! I guess so."

    So her goal is to practice through the summer and she will decide if she wants to play fall baseball. I am sure she will be the only girl in our league not playing softball. The wife is a little concerned about her starting at the player pitch level, but I think she will get up to speed soon enough.

    Ethan is cool with it. With baseball being "his thing" I was a worried about possible conflict of world's colliding but I think he will be happy to have her play catch with. I tried to talk him into the ballet lessons for the conditioning and coordination, (and hey, tons of chicks-right?), but that isn't on his radar yet.

    Anyway, thought I would share. It is going to be a fun season. If any of you Dads out there had a daughter choose baseball, let me know your experience.

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    Mine played softball for a season or two and gave it up for Dance. I'm not surprised that your daughter's dance ability has helped her on the diamond. Athletic is athletic, right.

    I wish my son would entertain the idea of taking up dance. It would help him in so many ways, but as far as he's concerned, just the mere thought of dance will make him gay.

    Thanks for sharing your story Bama. Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaYankee View Post
    So, all of a sudden, my daughter Willa (9 in June) has taken an interest in baseball. I'm thrilled! She asked me to play catch with her a couple of weeks ago, and It was like the "Field of Dreams" moment when Kevin Costner asked his ghost dad for a catch. For a week she used her brother's RHT glove on her left hand and threw with her right until I got here a lefty glove. Went to the cages and she got the bat on the ball more often than I thought she would.

    She studies ballet. And she is good. Long and lean, several instructors have pulled me aside and told me she has the stuff to be a great dancer. What I have found is how easy it is to give her instruction, especially movement. Never seen a kid learn to crow-hop as fast as she did. "Oh, Dad. It is the same as a pas de chat!" "Uh...yeah! I guess so."

    So her goal is to practice through the summer and she will decide if she wants to play fall baseball. I am sure she will be the only girl in our league not playing softball. The wife is a little concerned about her starting at the player pitch level, but I think she will get up to speed soon enough.

    Ethan is cool with it. With baseball being "his thing" I was a worried about possible conflict of world's colliding but I think he will be happy to have her play catch with. I tried to talk him into the ballet lessons for the conditioning and coordination, (and hey, tons of chicks-right?), but that isn't on his radar yet.

    Anyway, thought I would share. It is going to be a fun season. If any of you Dads out there had a daughter choose baseball, let me know your experience.
    Thanks for sharing... I have two sons, but coached girls basketball for 11+ years...
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    --I have 2 granddaughters, ages 7 and 9, playing Little League. Last year at 6 and 8 they played T-ball and coach pitch, rspectively, and both and there were other girls on their teams. This year they are both playing kid pitch (the younger one is actually the more serious about baseball) and will be the only girls on the team. If they continue they will probably move to softball with the other girls next year, but at this age there isn't much difference in the athletic ability of boys and girls. The younger girl was the best player on her tee ball team and the older one about average on the coach pitch team. If your daughter wants to play she should definately have the opportunity.

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    As a father of 5 girls and 4 boys I find it personally offensive when girls are allowed to play in boy's league. What is being proved by allowing this?

    I noticed last year in my son's 12U tournament play that a girl was playing and it was joke.

    Fortunately I don't see any girls at the 13U level and hopefully never will.

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    Good Lord man, tie a knot in it already. :

    There was a girl on one of the teams when we were at Cooperstown last summer. It was strange.

    I wouldn't let my daughter play baseball at that age, and if the league put a girl on my team I'd coach her, but it would be difficult.

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    I was going for 10 kids but I heard every 10th person in the world was Chinese and I didn't want a Chinese kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tradosaurus View Post
    As a father of 5 girls and 4 boys I find it personally offensive when girls are allowed to play in boy's league. What is being proved by allowing this?

    I noticed last year in my son's 12U tournament play that a girl was playing and it was joke.

    Fortunately I don't see any girls at the 13U level and hopefully never will.
    I just got back from the USSSA Spring Nationals where one of the best teams in the country (12maj) had a girl playing short and leading off. She was, by a fairly wide margin, the best shortstop I've seen at that age. She turned two dp's on my team and made a fantastic play on a first and third double steal, where she cut the ball off, made a behind the back tag of R1 and threw R3 out at the plate. She also went 3 for 3 at the plate in a 7-0 win. I'm a believer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roothog66 View Post
    I just got back from the USSSA Spring Nationals where one of the best teams in the country (12maj) had a girl playing short and leading off. She was, by a fairly wide margin, the best shortstop I've seen at that age. She turned two dp's on my team and made a fantastic play on a first and third double steal, where she cut the ball off, made a behind the back tag of R1 and threw R3 out at the plate. She also went 3 for 3 at the plate in a 7-0 win. I'm a believer.
    Believer in what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tradosaurus View Post
    As a father of 5 girls and 4 boys I find it personally offensive when girls are allowed to play in boy's league. What is being proved by allowing this?

    I noticed last year in my son's 12U tournament play that a girl was playing and it was joke.

    Fortunately I don't see any girls at the 13U level and hopefully never will.
    Offensive? Really? How do you feel about the uncoordinated fat kids playing ball. Equally offended? Should they be separated, too? Geez.

    I don't see a lot of difference between boys and girls at that age. I am not interested in her shattering gender sterotypes, either. I am glad she has an appreciation for the game, she should try it while she still can and at the end of the day I will be totally satisfied if when she grows up, she will sit beside her old man, drink a beer with me and watch a game on TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tradosaurus View Post
    Believer in what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roga danar View Post
    Talent Is Overrated: What Really Separates World-Class Performers from Everybody Else
    by Geoff Colvin
    The problem with society is that girls grow up to think they can act and perform like men. They grow up confused and disoriented and the divorce rate keeps increasing because there is no defined gender roles in the marriage.

    How many women play in the NFL, NBA, MLB? Oh that's right, none because they can't compete at that level!

    So why set up a young girl for failure?

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    --The vast majority of boys aren't going to play MLB either. Most of them are going to be done with organized ball before high school. Are they failures too? The purpose of youth sports is not to develop future pros. It is primarily to have fun. Learning something about the game and how to be part of a team should also be a priority. These are things that benefit both boys and girls. They will take up separate pursuits on their own soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leecemark View Post
    --the vast majority of boys aren't going to play mlb either. Most of them are going to be done with organized ball before high school. Are they failures too? The purpose of youth sports is not to develop future pros. It is primarily to have fun. Learning something about the game and how to be part of a team should also be a priority. These are things that benefit both boys and girls. They will take up separate pursuits on their own soon enough.
    thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leecemark View Post
    --The vast majority of boys aren't going to play MLB either. Most of them are going to be done with organized ball before high school. Are they failures too? The purpose of youth sports is not to develop future pros. It is primarily to have fun. Learning something about the game and how to be part of a team should also be a priority. These are things that benefit both boys and girls. They will take up separate pursuits on their own soon enough.
    Would you feel the same if a boy wanted to play on a girls softball team?

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    --Little League has not been an all boys league for 40 years or more. As a matter of principle I would be fine with a boy playing in a girls softball league for ages below puberty, after which a boys size and strength are generally going to be an unfair advantage. As a practical matter a boy joining an all girls league would probably find the teasing from other boys to be a negative outweighing the positives he might get from being on the team.

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    I saw a boy play SS on a girls fast pitch team (maybe 12U). The parents were morons threatening to sue everyone if he was teased, etc.
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    I don't have an issue with girls playing baseball. There are two reasons why I wouldn't do it. 1) The best part of playing youth sports is hanging with your friends. While the girls I saw play baseball were accepted by the boys, they weren't really friends. 2) In middle school the boys start catching up to the girls physically. By high school the boys have passed the girls. If a girl aspires to play high school softball, the best way is to play softball. Baseball and softball are not the same game.

    My daughter was a girly girl at an early age. We had her in gymnastics for an activity. Her athleticism was obvious. At age seven she asked to play soccer, basketball and softball since her friends would be playing. The first time she threw, caught or hit a softball was the night before her first practice. That night she suggested maybe going out in the yard might prevent her looking stupid at the first practice.

    When my daughter was in high school the baseball and softball team played each other for charity. The girls pitched and played defense on the softball field. The boys pitched and played defense on the baseball field. The girls won. 65 mph underhand from forty feet and a riseball was more than the boys could handle.

    My daughter's reaction to hitting baseball pitching, "You have all day to decide whether or not to swing" compared to softball. She was accustomed to a lot of 60-65 mph in travel. From forty feet it's similar to 100 mph from 60 feet. The baseball pitchers were at 80-85

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    Quote Originally Posted by tradosaurus View Post
    The problem with society is that girls grow up to think they can act and perform like men. They grow up confused and disoriented and the divorce rate keeps increasing because there is no defined gender roles in the marriage.

    How many women play in the NFL, NBA, MLB? Oh that's right, none because they can't compete at that level!

    So why set up a young girl for failure?
    Some of the best soldiers I ever had the privaledge of serving with were females... I don't think they would agree with you.
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    There have been girls on my son's all-star teams the last 2 years. Last year our best catcher was a girl and she could knock the snot out of the ball. After seeing here play ball in the summer, it was weird to see her as a cheerleader in the fall. She has moved on the softball this year, while the other one is playing soccer (and she is great at it) instead of baseball.

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    --Your wife is free to make her own choices, but your previous comments have been about limiting the choices of women. You also made several offensive comments about women serving our country. Clay should have made his complaint about you via the "report post" function, but he was not wrong about the nature of your posts. They were unacceptable for this site. You may disagree all you wish, but please keep your posts civil and respectfull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leecemark View Post
    --Your wife is free to make her own choices,....
    Excellent response lee

    Choice. Trado's problem is choice.

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    WOW, OMG... Trado's comments are allowed to stay but mine aren't. Nice to know where the board owners stand on the issue of sexism! The least you could have done is leave my completely separate post to the OP alive.

    To the OP, enjoy the time spent with your daughter. That's what this is about. Whether she plays softball or baseball, you've found a common link for your relationship to grow.

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    I'd find it surprising that your daughter's commitment to dance allows for much time to take on baseball seriously enough to play on par with boys for very long. My daughter's 11. She's a beast, and I mean that affectionately. Very good softball and basketball and volleyball player. She got involved with competitive cheer about a year and a half ago. They take that stuff real serious. Right now is her official brief off season and she goes to conditioning classes 2 days a week that are for all intent and purpose mandatory. I've always been of the impression dance and gymnastics were similar in nature also.
    There are two kinds of losers.....Those that don't do what they are told, and those that do only what they are told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayadams View Post
    WOW, OMG... Trado's comments are allowed to stay but mine aren't. Nice to know where the board owners stand on the issue of sexism! The least you could have done is leave my completely separate post to the OP alive.

    To the OP, enjoy the time spent with your daughter. That's what this is about. Whether she plays softball or baseball, you've found a common link for your relationship to grow.
    Any post linked to Trade's offensive post that was deleted went down with it. I lost one too. It's the way links work. If the source is deleted everything connected goes too.

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