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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap78 View Post
    what I dont want to happen is people going after Sveum...
    I agree. Theo, Jed, and Dale should all get a pass this year. When they came into power the Cubs weren't 1 or 2 players away from making the playoffs.

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    at this point, it looks to be a 5 year fix at the very least...their pitching is absolutely horrible

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    I don't know about that. We got some young players with potential: Castro and Samardzija are doing well at the ML level. Jackson, Rizzo, and maybe Castillo and/or Cleavenger are nearly ML ready as well. Garza is still on the right side of 30. And the Cubs will have a lot of payroll flexibility next year, with Soriano and Marmol being the only big contracts left on the books.

    Best case scenario I could see the Cubs returning to respectability by 2014. But this year and next year are looking like 100 loss seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap78 View Post
    at this point, it looks to be a 5 year fix at the very least...their pitching is absolutely horrible
    A five year fix? Come back from the ledge, Cap. Next year they will begin to be more competitive. You will see very shortly more of the youth coming up from AAA. That experience this year will translate to the next. A few more draft picks....a few savvy trades......3 years and the picks from this year are up in the bigs, etc. Next year begins the year where the new mgmt team shouldn't get as much grace.

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    You just made my point for me...3 years from now draft picks will be coming up...at least a couple years before they produce in the bigs

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    In less than 10 days we'll see Rizzo and then that is about it in terms of youth coming up for awhile. Brett Jackson might come up at some point but he is struggling in AAA right now. Striking out way too often for him to come up any time before a cup of coffee in September.

    In terms of immediate future players on the farm right now that is it.

    Cardenas is up and doing absolutely nothing to prove he should be here right now.

    The other bright spot beyond Rizzo is Clevenger/Castillo. Clevenger is back from the DL and hopefully he'll keep on showing us that he belongs in the bigs. But it must be realized that Clevenger is not a 1.000+ OPS kind of guy. This is a guy we should be expecting/hoping to put up mid to high .700 OPS at the major league level.


    This is a team that is going to have a ton of holes next year and will continue to have a ton of holes throughout this season.

    There isn't a crop of players down in the farm that are going to become starters and fill those holes anytime soon beyond Rizzo and maybe Jackson.

    If you want an inhouse built team it is going to take at least 5 years for them get them, develop them, and have enough to field a decent major league team.

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    "If you want an inhouse built team it is going to take at least 5 years for them get them, develop them, and have enough to field a decent major league team."

    Thank you for agreeing with me Ubiquitous

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    That's assuming they don't sign any free agents to fill some holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncoach View Post
    That's assuming they don't sign any free agents to fill some holes.
    Like the amazing and wonderful Jeff Baker? Or how about Soriano? Perhaps Reed Johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap78 View Post
    Like the amazing and wonderful Jeff Baker? Or how about Soriano? Perhaps Reed Johnson
    Oh my. Did these guys sign Soriano? Who was available? Did you want Zambrano back or is it OK that he isn't in Wrigley any longer? How about comparing Epstein's moves of getting Ortiz, Meuller and Millar, which put them over the top and got them a WS victory? He went out and got Papelbon, Lester and Beckett as pitchers, etc. They don't all work out, but why would you have expected this mgmt team to get some bigtime FA's this year? It was time to thin the herd, not add to it.

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    Who are these FA the Cubs will be adding in the years to come? Good free agents are becoming rarer and rarer these days as teams lock up more and more of their players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncoach View Post
    Oh my. Did these guys sign Soriano? Who was available? Did you want Zambrano back or is it OK that he isn't in Wrigley any longer? How about comparing Epstein's moves of getting Ortiz, Meuller and Millar, which put them over the top and got them a WS victory? He went out and got Papelbon, Lester and Beckett as pitchers, etc. They don't all work out, but why would you have expected this mgmt team to get some bigtime FA's this year? It was time to thin the herd, not add to it.
    You seem to misunderstand every statement I make here, amazing. The point I was making was the stupid free agents the Cubs have added over the years to point out we do not need to add free agents, but build up the farm system

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap78 View Post
    You seem to misunderstand every statement I make here, amazing. The point I was making was the stupid free agents the Cubs have added over the years to point out we do not need to add free agents, but build up the farm system
    I haven't misunderstood your posting. I believe they will be competitive in 3 years. You say it's 5 simply because the farm hands need that time to work through the system. Every team adds free agents to fill holes. It makes no difference how well built the farm system is, but yes, the farm system needs some attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous View Post
    Who are these FA the Cubs will be adding in the years to come? Good free agents are becoming rarer and rarer these days as teams lock up more and more of their players.
    I will not be answering your question as my name is not Hoyer or Epstein.

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    Wow, Ron Santos's widow is hot!

    But seriously, my father said Ron not being in the Hall of Fame was a true misjustice. He should have been in years ago.
    Fan of The NY Mets!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck The Mets Fan! View Post
    Wow, Ron Santos's widow is hot!

    But seriously, my father said Ron not being in the Hall of Fame was a true misjustice. He should have been in years ago.
    This Red Sox fan has been screaming for years that Santo should be in Cooperstowmn.
    Man, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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    Kerry Wood might return to Cubs as instructor:
    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseb...rs-return.html
    The Mets have the best, smartest fans in baseball.

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    Well Im just glad clean players are making it into the Hall and not juicers. Santo played clean and Hard. I personally watched him his entire career. He always had a Love affair with the Cubs, the fans, the game.

    I dont know what Kerry Woods is going to instruct. The Cubs are short of icons right now and they are trying to create one of him to take the fans minds off of a 100+ loss season.
    "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids. Period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never."

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    how do you judge the future of the team?

    the team actually has some promising young players. pitching is pathetic but there are some young hitters. I think they should try to build a team around castro and rizzo. For the next 2 seasons I don't see any big FA additions. I think in fact it is going to get worse, a lot of salary dumping and farm stocking. I can't see them lose less than 100 in the net 2 years.

    however if they draft well and bring up some talent up the farm I can see them going a way like the nats in 3-4 years. but for that they really need smart farm managing.
    I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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