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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by drdg View Post
    THAT is so CORRECT
    I remember a few years ago when ozzie call one of his players a maricone and loco
    for spanish speakers that is nothing, it just a way of saying hi or hey bro
    but if you translate that into american english
    the first word, you just don't call any man in a 25 men team that
    and the other word translates into crazy
    the head lines on the news were that ozzie stated that one of his players
    was not only crazy, but that he also question the player choice of sexual partners
    TOTALLLY and COMPLETELY WRONG

    HECK, even the Queens English sometimes doesn't translate into american english
    here in nyc a while back
    a british tourist ask a person that was smoking a cigarette
    if he could have one.
    but the tourist use the slang word that they used in england for cigarette
    the new yorker did not like the word (same tranlation as maricone above) and beat up the tourist
    No charges were file as it was a complete misunderstanding
    Apples and oranges.

    Ozzie's English skills aren't bad enough to "misunderstand" what he said and meant in 2008, and again last month.
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  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by jnakamura View Post
    Apples and oranges.

    Ozzie's English skills aren't bad enough to "misunderstand" what he said and meant in 2008, and again last month.
    Colin Cowherd made that point this morning, as well.

    The poor English skills might be an acceptable excuse if Guillen had not been working in some capacity in MLB for over a quarter-century.

    I think what has been "misinterpretted", perhaps, as is common with quoted language regardless of the native speaker is Guillen's take. He is not advocating the Cuban model of government or Castro's tactics but the fact the man has been there 50 years plus. Which is kind of like admiring Hitler for his public-speaking skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnakamura View Post
    Baloney.
    For the manager of MLB team, based in a city made up of 50% Cuban-Americans, saying on not one, but TWO separate occasions, that he loves and admires Fidel Castro and not realizing that that would be a controversial statement is very naive on your part.

    Ozzie wasn't misquoted. He admitted saying it.
    There might be room for doubt if this was a one-time occurrence...but it wasn't. He said it in 2008, and said it again in 2012--both times in public, not private conversations. To me, and many others, that seals the deal and proves where his true feelings lie.

    He's only saying what he's saying now because he HAS to in order to save his job--NOT because he didn't really mean what he said.
    typical ozzie
    for talking without thinking
    maybe,just maybe now he will learn his lesson
    YES, he did say that what came out of his mouth, was not what he was thinking
    even stated that he was thinking in spanish,but answered in english
    but that that was no excuse, and he takes FULL responsibility

    this is the press conference, man did he take a beating from the cuban/spanish media
    http://deportes.univision.com/beisbo...dgetUimStage:2
    in spanish and english from univision

    and the edited version from mlb
    http://miami.marlins.mlb.com/video/p...nt_id=20501759

    he even had to answer as to WHY he said viva chavez,during a photo opp after winning the WS

    and what is sad is that very latin player no matter where they are from
    are being ask what they think about what ozzie said
    it is mass hysteria for sports media in miami
    can't wait to see what will come out of this or happens
    on friday april 13 for the marlins game at home

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    didnt the orioles or some team play in cuba a few years ago and wasnt there a handshake between castro and either the orioles owner and/or selig?

    why was that not a controversy?

    a little follow up there was a game in havana in march of 1999 and selig and angelos and castro sat together

    I guess you can sit with him and play his team but not say anything nice about him

    weird
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    didnt the orioles or some team play in cuba a few years ago and wasnt there a handshake between castro and either the orioles owner and/or selig?

    why was that not a controversy?

    a little follow up there was a game in havana in march of 1999 and selig and angelos and castro sat together

    I guess you can sit with him and play his team but not say anything nice about him

    weird
    Shaking hands with someone out of courtesy is not even close to being in the same boat as saying you love and admire them.

    This is fine...

    obama-gaddafi-handshake-091709-lg.jpg

    Obama saying, "I love the guy! I admire Khaddafi", would be grounds for impeachment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imapotato View Post
    And teh Soviets did so because we placed nukes in Turkey

    I find it ironic that descendents of the regime ousted by Castro who used power,influence and money to place sanctions and embargoes on Cuba are the ones up in arms. he stated something not so controversial but due to misquotes by our biased,incompetent and lazy mass media....is being persecuted. A tactic Castro used often in the 70's to get rid of dissentors
    And you being from Cuba can speak for them yes?. The captain has already stated to leave the politics out.
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  7. #47
    shaking hands is not all that was done

    travel to the country supposedly off limits and playing a 3 hour game and sitting in the same box with him for three hours and all you got out of it was a 3 second hand shake

    some things never change
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    shaking hands is not all that was done

    travel to the country supposedly off limits and playing a 3 hour game and sitting in the same box with him for three hours and all you got out of it was a 3 second hand shake

    some things never change
    How is sitting together in a stadium box for a few hours an endorsement of love or admiration?

    When Khrushchev met with JFK there were handshakes and smiles, and they spent many hours together. Again, If JFK said he loved Khrushchev or admired Khrushchev he would have been crucified for it.

    If you can't see the difference between meeting a dictator and exchanging pleasantries and saying you LOVE them and ADMIRE them, then you're out of touch.
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    Interesting! Guillen exercising his right to free speech, expresses admiration for a regime that eliminated free speech, only to have his free speech punished by people who oppose the tyrant who eliminated free speech.

    No irony to see here! Move along!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnakamura View Post
    "Fidel Castro, he's a bull--dictator and everybody's against him, and he still survives, has power. Still has a country behind him. Everywhere he goes they roll out the red carpet. I don't admire his philosophy. I admire him."

    --Ozzie Guillen, Mens Journal, 2008

    It's hard to buy Ozzie's backtracking when this isn't the first time he's praised Castro in a public article.

    Ummm... thats not praising Castro.

    Yeah, Castro is a douchebag! But his ability to persevere 50+ years is impressive.THAT is what Guillen was saying. Not: Yippie, hooray, yahoo for Castro!

    People get too emotional and outraged and stop being analytical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor_gogol View Post
    Interesting! Guillen exercising his right to free speech, expresses admiration for a regime that eliminated free speech, only to have his free speech punished by people who oppose the tyrant who eliminated free speech.

    No irony to see here! Move along!
    The right to free speech, as stated in the Constitution, limits Congress and (by extension) the government's ability to limit what people can say.

    Guillen said what he said. He has that right. No governmental force is stopping him from saying it.

    But any private group or organization has the right to criticize, condemn or silence an internal cog or piece that can and will harm its interests. That's why people can get banned from this website. The Marlins' interests include a large swath of Cuban fans, who clearly do not like Castro--which is why they are in Florida and not in Cuba.

    Guillen always has and will have the right to say what he said. He can keep saying it as he is sitting at home on his couch, wondering why he is out of a job. He won't go to jail for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor_gogol View Post
    Ummm... thats not praising Castro.
    Praise
    noun
    1. the act of expressing approval or admiration

    Ozzie: "I admire him"

    Ummm...yeah, it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnakamura View Post
    Praise
    noun
    1. the act of expressing approval or admiration

    Ozzie: "I admire him"

    Ummm...yeah, it is.
    Yet he expressly stated that its not his policies, its his staying power. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor_gogol View Post
    Yet he expressly stated that its not his policies, its his staying power. Get it?
    Makes no difference.

    Same as if he said he admired Adolf Hitler--not because of his policies, but because he was a commanding public speaker.

    You can't cherry-pick admirable qualities of brutal dictators. Life doesn't work that way, as Ozzie's now finding out.
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    This is hardly the first, or even fifth or sixth time Ozzie's mouth has gotten him in trouble. He's lucky he only got a five-gamer out of it. I hope he'll finally learn something from this, but I somehow doubt it. That mouth will roar again, I have no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnakamura View Post
    Makes no difference.

    Same as if he said he admired Adolf Hitler--not because of his policies, but because he was a commanding public speaker.

    You can't cherry-pick admirable qualities of brutal dictators. Life doesn't work that way, as Ozzie's now finding out.
    Exactly. Walk into a Jewish synagogue and explain how you admire Hitler's love and treatments of domesticated animals. See what happens. You have to know your audience. Leaving politics out of it, we should all agree that Guillen made a very foolish choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew C. View Post
    Exactly. Walk into a Jewish synagogue and explain how you admire Hitler's love and treatments of domesticated animals. See what happens. You have to know your audience. Leaving politics out of it, we should all agree that Guillen made a very foolish choice.
    Hitler was a vegetarian, as am I. But I don't go around saying I admire him for it. It didn't make him a better person, obviously. Guillen, whom I like, has to be the most politically naive man in the world to say what he said. I hope it doesn't cost him his job, but I think it likely will. If he gets fired, it won't be because The Marlins are sensitive to the feelings of their Cuban fans, it will be because of money. Strictly a business decision. MLB will cozy up to Castro when it suits them, play an exhibition in Havana when there's a buck to be made. But this time, it will cost them money if Cuban fans boycott The Marlins, which is probably already being discussed.
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    You can't cherry-pick admirable qualities of brutal dictators

    But you can sit in his box for three hours and have a cordial game

    total double standard

    I always thought actions speak louder than words

    and hitler killed 6 million jews and devestated and over ran countries with a devestating war machine

    how many has castro killed and and what countries did he attack with a war machine

    totally innappropriaite comparison which was self serving

    i understad why miami cubans are upset i dont see why they are/were not so upset about selig and the exhibition game

    you cant have your cake and eat it too
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    Quote Originally Posted by theAmazingMet View Post
    And you being from Cuba can speak for them yes?. The captain has already stated to leave the politics out.
    He gets the same pass as you did.
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