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    Does anyone know if Gaby Sanchez has shared his thoughts on this? He is a Cuban-American.
    Using a stolen chant from Boston Celtics fans whenever an L.A. team is playing up there just reeks of inferiority complex.

    If hitting a baseball is the toughest thing to do in sports, then pitching must be the easiest thing to do in sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich the Giants fan View Post
    Maybe not to you, but to a whole lot of people they sure as heck were.
    Which I acknowledged in the second part of my post that you quoted.
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    And now the Marlins have suspended him for 5 games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinWI View Post
    Then by your Ron Paul logic, we're all essentially slaves to whatever US company we work for.

    Didn't know we had so many tinfoil hat wearers on this message board.
    I'm not a hippie or a conspiracy theorist, what I said is true. Talk to the guy who thinks the CIA shot Kennedy or the guy who is outraged that a non-Cuban isn't offended by those comments.

    By my logic if your job entails working 14 hours a day in the Caribbean, being watched by men with whips and returning to your one room grass hut on 2 cents a week then yea your a slave to your company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Here we go....
    No we don't . . .

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    Ozzie was suspended by the marlins for 5 games.

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    His quote was translated from Spanish to English and there must have been some kind of overlap. You shouldn't be suspended for speaking your mind and being misunderstood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CokeMachineGlow View Post
    His quote was translated from Spanish to English and there must have been some kind of overlap. You shouldn't be suspended for speaking your mind and being misunderstood.
    I don't think he was misunderstood. The context, according to one ESPN article, is that he was admiring Castro for persevering over the years despite being hated so much. That's something to which he relates.

    Even with that context, it's very, very hard to ignore that he admires a dictator in some way.

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    I can see this turning into how the Marlins are preventing free speech and blah blah blah

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
    I can see this turning into how the Marlins are preventing free speech and blah blah blah
    Preventing free speech, my behind. People can say whatever they want; that is not an issue. What they have to worry about is the backlash from what they say. Guillen's words have potentially serious consequences for the Marlins organization, and he seems to understand that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
    I don't think he was misunderstood. The context, according to one ESPN article, is that he was admiring Castro for persevering over the years despite being hated so much. That's something to which he relates.

    Even with that context, it's very, very hard to ignore that he admires a dictator in some way.
    Spanish doesn't translate directly into perfect English grammar and context can be skewed significantly. Guillen himself is very stressed out by the situation and didn't really expect this kind of backlash. I think the whole thing is a huge misunderstanding.

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    Off-topic: I understand that Ozzie was introduced as the Marlins manager before te 2011 season ended, so did he manage the few remaining games last year for the Marlins?
    Using a stolen chant from Boston Celtics fans whenever an L.A. team is playing up there just reeks of inferiority complex.

    If hitting a baseball is the toughest thing to do in sports, then pitching must be the easiest thing to do in sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CokeMachineGlow View Post
    His quote was translated from Spanish to English and there must have been some kind of overlap. You shouldn't be suspended for speaking your mind and being misunderstood.
    "Fidel Castro, he's a bull--dictator and everybody's against him, and he still survives, has power. Still has a country behind him. Everywhere he goes they roll out the red carpet. I don't admire his philosophy. I admire him."

    --Ozzie Guillen, Mens Journal, 2008

    It's hard to buy Ozzie's backtracking when this isn't the first time he's praised Castro in a public article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnakamura View Post
    "Fidel Castro, he's a bull--dictator and everybody's against him, and he still survives, has power. Still has a country behind him. Everywhere he goes they roll out the red carpet. I don't admire his philosophy. I admire him."

    --Ozzie Guillen, Mens Journal, 2008

    It's hard to buy Ozzie's backtracking when this isn't the first time he's praised Castro in a public article.
    Hm, I may be wrong then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seattle1 View Post
    Hey Guillen is entitled to his opinion. It's a free country, and there's a thing called the First Amendment (free speech).

    Just think of all this hatred for Castro precipitated one of our own Presidents getting murdered. Because the CIA tried to assassinate Castro, Kennedy left them hanging on the Bay of Pigs and then began working toward eliminating the CIA altogether, which in turn contributed to the internal decision within the CIA to turn around and kill Kennedy themselves!

    All this contempt for some dude with a beard on an island out in the Caribbean.
    Well seeing as how he invited the soviets to deliver nukes to his island that could have hit the continental US and nearly caused a nuclear holocaust, as well as leaves half his country in poverty I think the contempt for him is well founded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
    No we don't . . .

    No more theories or personal opinions on Cuba and/or political policies, please. As always. Thanks.
    Sorry, I replied before I read this. On the topic, I'm glad he was suspended for 5 games. Truely idiotic to say those comments. Who gives a crap what he thinks, but dumb to alienate his own fan base.
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    And teh Soviets did so because we placed nukes in Turkey

    I find it ironic that descendents of the regime ousted by Castro who used power,influence and money to place sanctions and embargoes on Cuba are the ones up in arms. he stated something not so controversial but due to misquotes by our biased,incompetent and lazy mass media....is being persecuted. A tactic Castro used often in the 70's to get rid of dissentors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seattle1 View Post
    Hey Guillen is entitled to his opinion. It's a free country, and there's a thing called the First Amendment (free speech).
    This is true - but there is a difference between free speech and using that as a crutch to be a jerk... This guy just craves attention!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imapotato View Post
    ....he stated something not so controversial...
    Baloney.

    For the manager of MLB team, based in a city made up of 50% Cuban-Americans, saying on not one, but TWO separate occasions, that he loves and admires Fidel Castro and not realizing that that would be a controversial statement is very naive on your part.

    Ozzie wasn't misquoted. He admitted saying it.

    There might be room for doubt if this was a one-time occurrence...but it wasn't. He said it in 2008, and said it again in 2012--both times in public, not private conversations. To me, and many others, that seals the deal and proves where his true feelings lie.

    He's only saying what he's saying now because he HAS to in order to save his job--NOT because he didn't really mean what he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CokeMachineGlow View Post
    Spanish doesn't translate directly into perfect English grammar and context can be skewed significantly. Guillen himself is very stressed out by the situation and didn't really expect this kind of backlash. I think the whole thing is a huge misunderstanding.

    THAT is so CORRECT
    I remember a few years ago when ozzie call one of his players a maricone and loco
    for spanish speakers that is nothing, it just a way of saying hi or hey bro
    but if you translate that into american english
    the first word, you just don't call any man in a 25 men team that
    and the other word translates into crazy
    the head lines on the news were that ozzie stated that one of his players
    was not only crazy, but that he also question the player choice of sexual partners
    TOTALLLY and COMPLETELY WRONG

    HECK, even the Queens English sometimes doesn't translate into american english
    here in nyc a while back
    a british tourist ask a person that was smoking a cigarette
    if he could have one.
    but the tourist use the slang word that they used in england for cigarette
    the new yorker did not like the word (same translation as maricone above) and beat up the tourist
    No charges were file as it was a complete misunderstanding
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