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The '62 Giants had an interesting catching situation. From what I read they had quite an effective catching platoon with Tom Haller and Ed Bailey. And both were left handed hitters. Go figure.
That's 35 HR, 100 RBI, 85 R, 93 BB, 22 doubles. Impressive production.Code:. G PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ Haller 99 332 53 71 13 1 18 55 51 59 .261 .384 .515 .899 140 Bailey 96 305 32 59 9 1 17 45 42 42 .232 .351 .476 .827 121
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thanx for the topps cards, wags, for staying true to 1962.
good job.
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There's lots more to talk about with regards to the great 1962 team. I've heard about this team all my life. It's been fun delving deeper into the history to learn more about this team.Originally Posted by west coast orange and black
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Thanks for the link!!
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It is funny because both were essentially the same type of players- left handed hitters with some pop in their bat. Neither ever really hit for a high average- ironically, their lifetime averages were within .001 of each other. I think they got Ed because Hatch was six years younger than Bailey and they didn't have to put all of the pressure on Haller's shoulders. Ed was almost- and I use that word guardedly- almost a 1962 version of Dusty Rhodes because he was a funny guy who kept everybody on the bench loose. I was lucky enough to meet him in Cincinnati many years later and he hadn't changed a bit.
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In 1962 the Giants and Dodgers had a great pennant race that came down to the last day of the season. Through the first half of the season the Giants were in first or near first. Then they struggled a bit after the All-Star breat and by August 9th they were 5.5 games behind the Dodgers. As late as September 22th, the Giants were still 4 games back with just seven games to play. They win 5 of 7 and end up tied for first with the Dodgers with identical 101-61 W-L records. This forces a best-of-three game playoff!
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I bought a book on the 62 season with great anticipation
the author decided to devote the first part of the book to the dodgers (a very large part)
which makes no sense since dodger fans would not relish reading about 1962 but Giants fans would
I rated the book poor to fair
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the 62 nl was a little skewed with the expansion teams with 7 of the ten teams over .500
the biggest factor of the year was koufax injuring his finger and missing 2 months
when he returned he had not quite healed and lost a regular season games and a playoff game and his era ballooned from 2.06 to 2.54, which still led the league
he actually was 14-4 on july 12 then the finger split open his next start and he took the loss to make him 14-5
his comeback resulted in 2 losses to make him 14-7
for reference in 1963 on july 12 he was 15-3 in a season he went 25-5
in 1963 he had 163 k's by july 12
In 1962 he had 208 K's by july 12
his record shattering year of 1965 when he had 382 K;s he had 195 on july 12
his 1962 pace was better than his 1965 pace for K's and in 1962 the strike zone was smaller than in 63 or 65 (he was 15-3 in 1965 on july 12)
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Wow. Scary to think how many games the Dodgers would have won if Koufax didn't get injured?
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friends, I have obtained the record and converted to both cd and mp3, let me know if you want a copy
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I find it a little inconsistent that you mention the 1962 playoff series win against the Dodgers (counted as regular season games), but don't mention the 1998 playoff loss to Chicago (counted as a regular season game).
Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.
An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.
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Must you always whine Biz? First, the 1962 team was a playoff team. The 1998 team was not. Second, I am documenting the highlights of the playoff teams' regular season. The three game playoff win over the Dodgers was a major highlight for the '62 team. Third, I started this thread and I can post whatever I want.
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If pointing out an inconsistency is whining, then I am whining. In your summary, you don't highlight significant regular season accomplishments in any seasons other than 1962.
Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.
An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.
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Only in your mind it is an inconsistency. I haven't mentioned the 1998 team because the 1998 team was NOT a playoff team. I don't list the fabulous 1993 team either.
That's because this is going to be a long term thread and I haven't have time to add to it lately. I'm currently researching the 1971 team. Every Giants playoff team will get its due.In your summary, you don't highlight significant regular season accomplishments in any seasons other than 1962.
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