why do people still hate Derek JEter so much??

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I have never met a Yankee fan that didn't overrate the hell out of Jeter.

Obviously you have to know that can't be true, that they all do. You haven't met all the Yankee fans.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

One plus on his offensive side, finding the hole to hit through, in particular on the right side, he's great, not just good at getting the most out of his balls hit in play.. Obvious as can be seen how they pitch to him, inside and he can still drive hits to the right side

[ipitch]

Has Jeter EVER struck out looking and not had a few words for the umpire? I'm watched tons of Yankees game and I've never seen it. He just can't admit that he was fooled by a pitch.

He plays the game hard and clean

Last week he hit a one-hopper to 2nd and jogged to first base at about 60-70% speed. I've often heard that Jeter is one of the few guys that always runs hard to 1st. It's not true.

[ipitch]

Has Jeter EVER struck out looking and not had a few words for the umpire? I'm watched tons of Yankees game and I've never seen it. He just can't admit that he was fooled by a pitch.

He plays the game hard and clean

Last week he hit a one-hopper to 2nd and jogged to first base at about 60-70% speed. I've often heard that Jeter is one of the few guys that always runs hard to 1st. It's not true.

[Joe Barrie]

Has Jeter EVER struck out looking and not had a few words for the umpire? I'm watched tons of Yankees game and I've never seen it. He just can't admit that he was fooled by a pitch.



Last week he hit a one-hopper to 2nd and jogged to first base at about 60-70% speed. I've often heard that Jeter is one of the few guys that always runs hard to 1st. It's not true.

I think Jeter is a terrific ballplayer, even though he has less range for his position than many. I think he generally hustles. I think he might have considered moving over for Alex Rodriguez, the best shortstop I have seen since 1943, which includes Marion, Reese, Rizzuto and many others. Hanley Ramirez did it for Reyes, after all.

I wonder about his having a black father, and how much that bothers people (sort of like the case with our President).

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Has Jeter EVER struck out looking and not had a few words for the umpire? I'm watched tons of Yankees game and I've never seen it. He just can't admit that he was fooled by a pitch.



Last week he hit a one-hopper to 2nd and jogged to first base at about 60-70% speed. I've often heard that Jeter is one of the few guys that always runs hard to 1st. It's not true.

Very seldom. Watched many Yankee games he runs hard on more grounders than any Yankee I've seen and far more often.
Not saying there are rare occasions where he did not, very rare.

[m8644]

I think Jeter is a terrific ballplayer, even though he has less range for his position than many. I think he generally hustles. I think he might have considered moving over for Alex Rodriguez, the best shortstop I have seen since 1943, which includes Marion, Reese, Rizzuto and many others. Hanley Ramirez did it for Reyes, after all.

I wonder about his having a black father, and how much that bothers people (sort of like the case with our President).

While I agree there certainly still is some racist tendencies in sports today, I dont think it's the case with Jeter.

[SavoyBG]

My memory may be failing me here, but I think that Pokey Reese made a VERY similar play in that series, maybe even that game...and, he did just stop on a dime from full speed. But, Pokey was much smaller and more agile than Derek...if Jeter had been built like Pokey, he probably would have hit like Pokey, too.

Yes he did. It was a better play than Jeter's play, and because Reese was dexterious enough not to have to fall into the stands, people didn't realize what a great play it was.

[SavoyBG]

While I agree there certainly still is some racist tendencies in sports today, I dont think it's the case with Jeter.

Unlike Obama, who has the same racial makeup of black father and white mother, people don't ever refer to jeter as black. He doesn't look black at all.

[m8644]

Yes he did. It was a better play than Jeter's play, and because Reese was dexterious enough not to have to fall into the stands, people didn't realize what a great play it was.

it probably wasn't even in the top 5 of plays made that DAY around baseball. And yet it's been rated one of the best defensive plays of all time by lists made by the MLB's own Network, ESPN, among other sources.

[SavoyBG]

What is the connection between Jeter being captain and the Yanks losing to Boston. Is any captain responsible for his team's loss.

Here's your options.

A - Don't hold him at all responsible for the collapse, but then he also gets no credit for the one championship.

B - Give him full credit for the ONE championship that he won as the captain (2009), but also full blame for his team collapsing in 2004.

C - Give him partial credit for the one championship but partial blame for the collapse.

The manager gets credit for winning and blame for blowing a 3-0 lead, why not some also for the captain? Why name a captain if he does not play a somewhat bigger role in things than the other players?

In his NINE years as captain they'be been to two world series and won one of them.

[SavoyBG]

http://umpbump.com/press/2008/01/20/...t-jeter-sucks/

http://www.talk-sports.net/mlb/sucks.aspx/Derek_Jeter

http://www.tauntr.com/topic/jeter-sucks

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Here's your options.

A - Don't hold him at all responsible for the collapse, but then he also gets no credit for the one championship.

B - Give him full credit for the ONE championship that he won as the captain (2009), but also full blame for his team collapsing in 2004.

C - Give him partial credit for the one championship but partial blame for the collapse.

The manager gets credit for winning and blame for blowing a 3-0 lead, why not some also for the captain? Why name a captain if he does not play a somewhat bigger role in things than the other players?

In his NINE years as captain they'be been to two world series and won one of them.

What does the captain have to do with the strategy of the game. He doesn't decide who will come in relief, he doesn't decide when any runner steals, when to put on the hit and run...........he has nothing to do with the strategy or decisions on the field. How do you blame the captain............how do you blame the manager. I don't give the captain all the credit or even partial credit when they win either.
How about a team effort by the Yankees was the big factor and lets give the Bosox some credit. The word choke is over used in the game, sometimes the other team gets off the floor.

Whats the deal with the three anti Jeter web sites you attach. Obviously dead against Jeter from the start, is that supposed to convince us how terrible Jeter is. Harping about Jeter winning the Gold Gloves is a waste, we all know enough not to take them seriously, Jeter's undeserved GG awards are no worse than all the others we see every season

[SavoyBG]

Whats the deal with the three anti Jeter web sites you attach. Obviously dead against Jeter from the start, is that supposed to convince us how terrible Jeter is. Harping about Jeter winning the Gold Gloves is a waste, we all know enough not to take them seriously, Jeter's undeserved GG awards are no worse than all the others we see every season

They are worse because he's not even an average major league fielder at SS. He has consistently ranked at the bottom of every reasonable fielding metric.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

They are worse because he's not even an average major league fielder at SS. He has consistently ranked at the bottom of every reasonable fielding metric.

Obvious you don't like the guy, it's personal.
Why do I say that, because your 180 degrees from the Yankee fans that make him out to be better than he is, so you attempt to make him out to be less than what he is.

He's not the greatest SS in recent years or of all time. He's just a very good all around ballplayer.
Easy to see the fact that he has some fans who overrate him and gets more press than deserved, so we have others trying to even things up by underrating him, both sides are wrong.

[SavoyBG]

Obvious you don't like the guy, it's personal.
Why do I say that, because your 180 degrees from the Yankee fans that make him out to be better than he is, so you attempt to make him out to be less than what he is.

He's not the greatest SS in recent years or of all time. He's just a very good all around ballplayer.
Easy to see the fact that he has some fans who overrate him and gets more press than deserved, so we have others trying to even things up by underrating him, both sides are wrong.

How am I underrating him?

He ranks near the bottom of all the different modern fielding metrics, like I said.

His career defensive WAR is MINUS 14.7. He's cost the Yankees about 15 games over his career with his subpar fielding.

[Matthew C.]

How am I underrating him?

He ranks near the bottom of all the different modern fielding metrics, like I said.

His career defensive WAR is MINUS 14.7. He's cost the Yankees about 15 games over his career with his subpar fielding.

This may be true. Of course his offense and baserunning (at a very important position) were so good, he still managed 70+ WAR despite the poor defense. It isn't easy to rack up 70+ WAR as a bad fielder.

[ol' aches and pains]

How am I underrating him?

He ranks near the bottom of all the different modern fielding metrics, like I said.

His career defensive WAR is MINUS 14.7. He's cost the Yankees about 15 games over his career with his subpar fielding.

My God, that's almost one game a year! Why don't they release the bum?

[SavoyBG]

This may be true. Of course his offense and baserunning (at a very important position) were so good, he still managed 70+ WAR despite the poor defense. It isn't easy to rack up 70+ WAR as a bad fielder.

Nobody is disputing that he is a great player and a hall of famer. He's just not a good fielding major league SS. He does make up for his lack of range somewhat by being very surehanded and also being great on relays and other plays that accur after the initial batted ball. But the gold gloves are an outrage.

And the more the Yankess play Nunez the better Jeter looks in the field, because Nunez can't even make a routine throw half of the time. But that was great point that someone made. The supposedly unselfish team player Jeter would not move to 3B for A-Rod, but the supposedly selfish player Ramirez did move to 3B for Reyes.

[ian2813]

My God, that's almost one game a year! Why don't they release the bum?

It's sounds like you're using sarcasm to minimize the seriousness of Jeter's fielding deficiencies, but the point is that a truly deserving "Gold Glover" shouldn't be annually costing his team on defense. For what it's worth, -1.0 dWAR for a single season is pretty bad.

[SavoyBG]

It's sounds like you're using sarcasm to minimize the seriousness of Jeter's fielding deficiencies, but the point is that a truly deserving "Gold Glover" shouldn't be annually costing his team on defense. For what it's worth, -1.0 dWAR for a single season is pretty bad.

Yes, and that means he's one game worse than a replacement player, so he's actually costing his team like 3 games a season, because a replacement player at SS is going to cost his team games defensively.

[Matthew C.]

Nobody is disputing that he is a great player and a hall of famer. .

Of course not, but most people are not hated or draw this much contempt just for being overrated, especially when his biggest opponents admit that he is a "great player and HOFer." There is a lot more to it than just his defense being WAY overrated (which it is, of course).

[SavoyBG]

Of course not, but most people are not hated or draw this much contempt just for being overrated, especially when his biggest opponents admit that he is a "great player and HOFer." There is a lot more to it than just his defense being WAY overrated (which it is, of course).

Of course, see my first post in the thread.

[bluesky5]

And the more the Yankess play Nunez the better Jeter looks in the field, because Nunez can't even make a routine throw half of the time. But that was great point that someone made. The supposedly unselfish team player Jeter would not move to 3B for A-Rod, but the supposedly selfish player Ramirez did move to 3B for Reyes.

Ramirez doesn't have the same organizational clout Jeter had/has. I am using the term "organization" loosely of course.

[SavoyBG]

Ramirez doesn't have the same organizational clout Jeter had/has. I am using the term "organization" loosely of course.

So Jeter used his clout for selfish purposes and hurt his team along the way.