why do people still hate Derek JEter so much??

[StanTheMan]

Bobby Wallace, Rabbit Maranvile, and many others were better fielders at SS than Jeter at age 38.

And Smith had range at 38 that Jeter didn't have at 28.

[bluesky5]

I never for a moment believed that Jeter would do anything for this kid.

It's actually quite sickening how the NY media goes out of their way to cover up for him or sweep things under the rug. Imagine if this was A-Rod. Now I cannot imagine for a second that A-Rod would be a as selfish, self centered, cheap, and dispicable as Jeter. However had he been, the media would have been relentless and would have eaten him alive. Even if A-Rod gave the kid $500,000, I bet the media would have said it wasn't enough.

For what it's worth Rodriguez has paintings of himself as a centaur in his home. Maybe he is just into mythology.

[RaysFan_98]

I dislike Jeter cause i think he is a fake. His acting job during the Rays game a few years ago lost respect for him.

[bluesky5]

I dislike Jeter cause i think he is a fake. His acting job during the Rays game a few years ago lost respect for him.

That's gamesmanship. Take your base.

[RaysFan_98]

That's gamesmanship. Take your base.

Call it what you will. I think it was him lying and such. It couldve cost us the game but it didn't. I also don't like having the media shove it down my throat that he is the best player and blah blah blah. His D at SS seems to be lacking and anytime he gets K'ed by a Rays pitcher (only time i really see him) I have yet to see him just walk away he always has that smile and has a few words with the ump!

[RaysFan_98]

Also amazes me how he can do no wrong and how his average plays at bests are propped up to be the best plays in the history of the game!

[bluesky5]

I also don't like having the media shove it down my throat that he is the best player and blah blah blah. His D at SS seems to be lacking and anytime he gets K'ed by a Rays pitcher (only time i really see him) I have yet to see him just walk away he always has that smile and has a few words with the ump!

No dispute there. Hahaha

[RaysFan_98]

Everybody wishes they had 26 titles and 90+ wins every year and owners who spend gazillions of dollars every year (even if they deny it publicly).

I think not I like being a Rays fan and an underdog every year i like proving the pundits and other fans wrong year in and year out i like proving our 70mill team can outplay and do just as much as a 200 mill team! And i was at game 162 last year and that was the most amazing baseball comeback and just time i have ever seen. Championships aren't everything. That breeds bandwagon fans amongst other things.

[White Knight]

This thread is proving Blackout right. Tons of blind hatred in here for a SS that's going to retire with over 3,700 hits, and who's the longest holding Captain of the Yankees ever. He's a top 5 SS, get over it. I'm going to get out the campaign when he passes St. Cal in hits this Summer.

[RaysFan_98]

This thread is proving Blackout right. Tons of blind hatred in here for a SS that's going to retire with over 3,700 hits, and who's the longest holding Captain of the Yankees ever. He's a top 5 SS, get over it. I'm going to get out the campaign when he passes St. Cal in hits this Summer.

Top 5 ss my butt.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

I would say he's a top 5 when he retires. I think he's kinda a jerk but top 5 for alltime shortstops is prety fair. Whos the 5th best now? Maybe Robin Yount or Ernie Banks, a couple guys who never won a World Series and played differant posistions later in thier careers.

I think Jeter gets a raw deal here because alot of people here hate the Yankees. Honestly i'd rather have Jeter over Ripken. I would prob take him over Arky Vaughn too.

Alex Rodriguez will be considered a thirdbasemen soon for alltime ranks so Jeter could arguably be the second best shortstop of alltime when he retires. I wouldnt have a problem with a guy who has 5 WS rings and 3700 hits in the 2 spot.

[SavoyBG]

I would say he's a top 5 when he retires. I think he's kinda a jerk but top 5 for alltime shortstops is prety fair. Whos the 5th best now? Maybe Robin Yount or Ernie Banks, a couple guys who never won a World Series and played differant posistions later in thier careers.

I think Jeter gets a raw deal here because alot of people here hate the Yankees. Honestly i'd rather have Jeter over Ripken. I would prob take him over Arky Vaughn too.

Alex Rodriguez will be considered a thirdbasemen soon for alltime ranks so Jeter could arguably be the second best shortstop of alltime when he retires. I wouldnt have a problem with a guy who has 5 WS rings and 3700 hits in the 2 spot.

Jeter had zero chance of ranking as the #2 SS according to WAR.

Here's the top all time shortstops and their overall rank in career WAR. Right now he is #8 and probably will not even get to #7. His WAR last year was a whopping 0.7. The year before it was 1.3. He is finished being a great player, and right now is a below average major league SS, his good start this year not withstanding. He'll only get to #7 because A-Rod will soon be counted as a 3Bman. And he could even drop down if he continues to get worse and keeps playing.

8. Honus Wagner+ (21) 134.5 R
23. Alex Rodriguez (19, 36) 104.6 R
37. George Davis+ (20) 90.3 B
38. Cal Ripken+ (21) 89.9 R
61. Robin Yount+ (20) 76.9 R
64. Bill Dahlen (21) 75.9 R
66. Arky Vaughan+ (14) 75.6 L
81. Derek Jeter (18, 38) 70.4 R

[White Knight]

Jeter had zero chance of ranking as the #2 SS according to WAR.

Here's the top all time shortstops and their overall rank in career WAR. Right now he is #8 and probably will not even get to #7. His WAR last year was a whopping 0.7. The year before it was 1.3. He is finished being a great player, and right now is a below average major league SS, his good start this year not withstanding. He'll only get to #7 because A-Rod will soon be counted as a 3Bman. And he could even drop down if he continues to get worse and keeps playing.

8. Honus Wagner+ (21) 134.5 R
23. Alex Rodriguez (19, 36) 104.6 R
37. George Davis+ (20) 90.3 B
38. Cal Ripken+ (21) 89.9 R
61. Robin Yount+ (20) 76.9 R
64. Bill Dahlen (21) 75.9 R
66. Arky Vaughan+ (14) 75.6 L
81. Derek Jeter (18, 38) 70.4 R

WAR isn't everything (as told by St. Cal of all people being number 4), and like you said, A-Rod doesn't count as a SS anymore with the sheer amount of games he played at 3B. Pretty soon he will have played more games at 3rd.

As for him being finished, you sound like Mike Lupica in 2003 talking about Mariano Rivera. He hit .327 with an OBP of .383 during the second half of last year, and this year he is hitting .382/.411 and even slugging .618. I find your lack of faith, disturbing, as the reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Jeter had zero chance of ranking as the #2 SS according to WAR.

Here's the top all time shortstops and their overall rank in career WAR. Right now he is #8 and probably will not even get to #7. His WAR last year was a whopping 0.7. The year before it was 1.3. He is finished being a great player, and right now is a below average major league SS, his good start this year not withstanding. He'll only get to #7 because A-Rod will soon be counted as a 3Bman. And he could even drop down if he continues to get worse and keeps playing.

8. Honus Wagner+ (21) 134.5 R
23. Alex Rodriguez (19, 36) 104.6 R
37. George Davis+ (20) 90.3 B
38. Cal Ripken+ (21) 89.9 R
61. Robin Yount+ (20) 76.9 R
64. Bill Dahlen (21) 75.9 R
66. Arky Vaughan+ (14) 75.6 L
81. Derek Jeter (18, 38) 70.4 R

Yeah I doubt he'll catch too many in war but I wouldnt put Goerge Davis as the third best ss either. Jeter is deff better than Dahlen and I would pick Jeter over Goerge Davis too. When he retires I would have a hard time picking Yount over him and with Arod being a thirdbaseman the only two left are Ripken and Vaughn so I dont see how he wouldnt be top 5 especially with the way he's looking this year.

If he somehow gets another ring and has a above average year which isnt out of the question then there should be no doubt he should be the 2nd best.

[John239]

Never cared much for the Yankees but as an organization they carry themselves with class on and off the field and have my respect. Jeter has played the role of team Captain as well as any of the other few Yankees who have had the honor. I think Jeter is a hall of famer just in how he has dealt with the media he is somewhat gracious with his time and they waste it by bothering him with the same dumb questions he's answered for most of his career. He has also been a cornerstone of the organization for a decade and a half.

[SavoyBG]

Yeah I doubt he'll catch too many in war but I wouldnt put Goerge Davis as the third best ss either. Jeter is deff better than Dahlen and I would pick Jeter over Goerge Davis too. When he retires I would have a hard time picking Yount over him and with Arod being a thirdbaseman the only two left are Ripken and Vaughn so I dont see how he wouldnt be top 5 especially with the way he's looking this year.

If he somehow gets another ring and has a above average year which isnt out of the question then there should be no doubt he should be the 2nd best.

What makes you think that George Davis is not the third best SS, and that Jeter is better than him or Dahlen? Just because they played so long ago and you don't know much about them?

And why would you think that "if he gets another ring" that it should affect his individual ranking?

Suppose he stinks like he did in the 2001 WS, but the team wins. Why should that raise his ranking?

[SavoyBG]

WAR isn't everything (as told by St. Cal of all people being number 4),

What makes Cal qualified to decide how valid WAR is? Is he a mathemetician or something?

The fact that someone played the game does not give him any special talent to be able to assess the validity of a metric.

[Mr. Laser Beam]

they carry themselves with class on and off the field and have my respect. Jeter has played the role of team Captain as well as any of the other few Yankees who have had the honor. I think Jeter is a hall of famer just in how he has dealt with the media he is somewhat gracious with his time and they waste it by bothering him with the same dumb questions he's answered for most of his career. He has also been a cornerstone of the organization for a decade and a half.

Agreed.

And is there any evidence whatsoever that Jeter snubbed the fan who caught his 3000th hit? I don't think he did. The fan immediately returned it, and we weren't there when that happened, so we have no idea what went on. Besides, the Yankees as a whole compensated very well for this - gave the fan luxury seats for the rest of the season, paid the resulting tax bills, and took care of his student loans. You think Jeter could have handled all that himself? :lol:

"Yankees, bring-ah New York together
Yankees, we even like-ah Steinbrenner
Yankees, now we break applause meter
With two words - DEREK JETER!!!!!" - Operaman

[bluesky5]

Jeter had zero chance of ranking as the #2 SS according to WAR.

Here's the top all time shortstops and their overall rank in career WAR. Right now he is #8 and probably will not even get to #7. His WAR last year was a whopping 0.7. The year before it was 1.3. He is finished being a great player, and right now is a below average major league SS, his good start this year not withstanding. He'll only get to #7 because A-Rod will soon be counted as a 3Bman. And he could even drop down if he continues to get worse and keeps playing.

8. Honus Wagner+ (21) 134.5 R
23. Alex Rodriguez (19, 36) 104.6 R
37. George Davis+ (20) 90.3 B
38. Cal Ripken+ (21) 89.9 R
61. Robin Yount+ (20) 76.9 R
64. Bill Dahlen (21) 75.9 R
66. Arky Vaughan+ (14) 75.6 L
81. Derek Jeter (18, 38) 70.4 R

Agreed. Wagner, Davis, Ripken, Dahlen, Vaughan were all well respected glove men in their day at what has always been a premier defensive position. More balls hit there than anywhere. Wagner could play many positions, Yount could play CF too. Jeter cannot be a top 2-3 player at SS playing -- above average early, middling as he got older to pretty sub-par for 4-5 years now -- defense at a position where defense is the primary attribute you are looking for.

I wouldn't call Jeter "class." He puts on a good front. Just like the Yankees.

Not saying I don't respect his overall talent or that he isn't a HoF player. He stepped up and was/is the face of the most famous team in pro sports. Fame ≠ Class, however.

[SavoyBG]

Agreed.

And is there any evidence whatsoever that Jeter snubbed the fan who caught his 3000th hit? I don't think he did. The fan immediately returned it, and we weren't there when that happened, so we have no idea what went on. Besides, the Yankees as a whole compensated very well for this - gave the fan luxury seats for the rest of the season, paid the resulting tax bills, and took care of his student loans. You think Jeter could have handled all that himself? :lol:

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They didn't take care of his student loans, where are you getting that from?

If you watch when they took pictures of Jeter shaking hands with the kid, Jeter just walks away immediately and doesn't look back.

[SavoyBG]

I wouldn't call Jeter "class." He puts on a good front. Just like the Yankees.

EXACTLY

And his defense was never good.

[Iso7x]

I like Jeter, even though he did nail Giambi at home during the playoffs. He's got 5(?) World Series rings. I don't have any, you have to respect that. He has 3100+ hits, you have to respect that. He dated Minka Kelly, you have to hate him for that.

[White Knight]

What makes Cal qualified to decide how valid WAR is? Is he a mathemetician or something?

The fact that someone played the game does not give him any special talent to be able to assess the validity of a metric.

You misunderstood me. I meant because Cal Ripken is ranked #4 in WAR, then WAR must be over-rated, because Cal isn't in the top 4 of SS's.

[White Knight]

They didn't take care of his student loans, where are you getting that from?

If you watch when they took pictures of Jeter shaking hands with the kid, Jeter just walks away immediately and doesn't look back.

How do you know he didn't meet him a week later and pay his loans? If he didn't, the kid would have said he got ripped off. He didn't, he's happy.

[SavoyBG]

You misunderstood me. I meant because Cal Ripken is ranked #4 in WAR, then WAR must be over-rated, because Cal isn't in the top 4 of SS's.

Cal Ripken "IS" in the top 4 of shortstops.