Mariano Rivera tears ACL - out for season.

[quagmire]

As many of you may have heard already, Mariano Rivera got injured catching fly balls during BP. Tests revealed he tore his ACL. Mo has strongly hinted that he will retire after this season. Have we seen the last of Mo? Or will he not allow his career to end like this?

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

When asked, Mo stated he does not know if he will pitch again.

[RaysFan_98]

I just saw that when i was on the mlb site. I may hate the Yankees actually despise is a better word but Mo is a class act and i wish him a speedy recovery!

[UnderPressure]

Shame his HOF career had to end like this.

[AJbaseball00024]

****!!!!!!!! Best effing closer in baseball and he is gone for the season.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

I'm guessing Robertson will be the closer?

[RaysFan_98]

Its a shame this is the way it ended. He shouldve been able to walk off on his own power and end his career the way he wanted to to a standing O at home with all the fans and players he has played with not like this.

[ipitch]

Shame his HOF career had to end like this.

He hasn't said that it is over. I doubt he'd want to go out like that - but we'll see.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

I bet he comes back next year. Didn't he say he could pitch another 5 years in spring training. I'm sure he was kidding around and I hear he's hinted at retirement but I would have to think he'll be back for at least one more year.

[RaysFan_98]

He hasn't said that it is over. I doubt he'd want to go out like that - but we'll see.

I bet he comes back next year. Didn't he say he could pitch another 5 years in spring training. I'm sure he was kidding around and I hear he's hinted at retirement but I would have to think he'll be back for at least one more year.

I watched Joe G's Post game conference and he hinted at it.

[Cyclone]

He was pretty emotional while he was being interviewed... I think he was planning on retiring at the end of the season, but now this complicates things. I would think there's a better chance of him coming back next year, just to go out on his own terms.

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I highly doubt Mo will let his career end this way. He'll be back.

And it's nice to know that there haven't been any Yankee haters (so far) who are gloating about this. If there are, they should be banned from baseball.

[metfan13]

I highly doubt Mo will let his career end this way. He'll be back.

And it's nice to know that there haven't been any Yankee haters (so far) who are gloating about this. If there are, they should be banned from baseball.

Not that anyone should gloat over a person's injury, but even when it comes to "sports hate" there's no hating on Rivera. Great pitcher, class act.

[GiambiJuice]

Mo is not only the greatest closer of all time, but arguably the greatest pitcher of all time.

[Imgran]

Mo is not only the greatest closer of all time, but arguably the greatest pitcher of all time.

Nah, too many SP ahead of him. Definitely the greatest relief pitcher of all time, and better than the lion's share of the league's starters, but there's at least 20-30 SP you take ahead of Mo in terms of all time starters who were generational talents too, in their day. From Cy Young to Walter Johnson to Bob Feller to Bob Gibson to Nolan Ryan to Randy Johnson and a lot of guys I can't think of off the top of my head.

[DJC]

Not that anyone should gloat over a person's injury, but even when it comes to "sports hate" there's no hating on Rivera. Great pitcher, class act.

I seem to recall that there was some nut on this forum who hated Rivera for being a Yankee and thought he was a murderer due to the electrified pool accident at his home in Panama.

[GiambiJuice]

I seem to recall that there was some nut on this forum who hated Rivera for being a Yankee and thought he was murderer due to the electrified pool accident at his home in Panama.

Yep, but the guy was actually a Yankees fan.

[KCGHOST]

yeah, this is a bad deal for the Yankees and all of baseball. You hate to see anyone go down to what was obviously a fluke injury.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Yep, but the guy was actually a Yankees fan.

Mostly a Mets fan.

[DaaBoTownSox]

I don't think it's the end for Mo'.

[brewcrew82]

If it truely is the end of Mo's career it's a shame it had to happen this way. It would have been nice to see him go out his way.

[GiambiJuice]

Best Career ERA+ (minimum 1,000 IP)

Mariano Rivera 206
Pedro Martinez 154
Jim Devlin 151
Lefty Grove 148
Walter Johnson 147
Hoyt Wilhelm 147
Smoky Joe Wood 147

Best Career WHIP (minimum 1,000 IP)

Addie Joss 0.9678
Mariano Rivera 0.9978
Ed Walsh 0.9996
Monte Ward 1.0435
Pedro Martinez 1.0544
Christy Mathewson 1.0581

Best Career K/BB ratio (min 1,000 IP)

Tommy Bond 5.0363
Curt Schilling 4.3826
Pedro Martinez 4.1500
Dan Haren 4.0604
Mariano Rivera 4.0397

EDIT - I was trying to make a point about Rivera but this has only reminded me and reconfirmed for me the greatness of Pedro Martinez

[Imgran]

Mo's going to the Hall, but he's not a better pitcher than Pedro, sorry. Remember, to get his numbers Pedro had to go through lineups multiple times. The one time Mo tried that in his rookie year it didn't go that well for him.

He might be the best pitcher ever in his class, but "his class" is RP's

Also holy crap Tommy Bond sighting. Talk about a bygone era, Bond pitched when a given baseball team had about 2 pitchers -- one starter and a backup to start games when the starter couldn't go.

Bond's era was just so different. Led the league one year with 500 IP and 57 complete games. The man didn't strike anyone out and had a 4 to 1 walks to strikeouts ratio. Played on a team that won the championship and hit 2 homers all year. Hitters have come a long, looooong way since his day.

[GiambiJuice]

Mo's going to the Hall, but he's not a better pitcher than Pedro, sorry. Remember, to get his numbers Pedro had to go through lineups multiple times. The one time Mo tried that in his rookie year it didn't go that well for him.

He might be the best pitcher ever in his class, but "his class" is RP's

Also holy crap Tommy Bond sighting. Talk about a bygone era, Bond pitched when a given baseball team had about 2 pitchers -- one starter and a backup to start games when the starter couldn't go.

Bond's era was just so different. Led the league one year with 500 IP and 57 complete games. The man didn't strike anyone out and had a 4 to 1 walks to strikeouts ratio. Played on a team that won the championship and hit 2 homers all year. Hitters have come a long, looooong way since his day.

You are right. Pedro is better. I was only trying to say that a case could be made. Just as a case could be made for Koufax or someone else who was utterly dominant but didn't pitch a lot of innings. But yea, Pedro is definitely better than Mo.

[ipitch]

Mo's going to the Hall, but he's not a better pitcher than Pedro, sorry. Remember, to get his numbers Pedro had to go through lineups multiple times. The one time Mo tried that in his rookie year it didn't go that well for him.

Relieving didn't go well for him that year either. He didn't have his cutter until 1997.

If you look at the MLB splits, relievers (on average) have a better ERA than starters, but a slightly worse WHIP.

career:
Pedro - 2.93 ERA, 1.054 WHIP
Mo - 2.21 ERA, .998 WHIP

Mo was better in both by a pretty good margin. It seems clear that Mo was a better reliever than Pedro was a starter. But, like you said, relieving has advantages.

[DaaBoTownSox]

Best Career ERA+ (minimum 1,000 IP)

Mariano Rivera 206
Pedro Martinez 154
Jim Devlin 151
Lefty Grove 148
Walter Johnson 147
Hoyt Wilhelm 147
Smoky Joe Wood 147

Best Career WHIP (minimum 1,000 IP)

Addie Joss 0.9678
Mariano Rivera 0.9978
Ed Walsh 0.9996
Monte Ward 1.0435
Pedro Martinez 1.0544
Christy Mathewson 1.0581

Best Career K/BB ratio (min 1,000 IP)

Tommy Bond 5.0363
Curt Schilling 4.3826
Pedro Martinez 4.1500
Dan Haren 4.0604
Mariano Rivera 4.0397

EDIT - I was trying to make a point about Rivera but this has only reminded me and reconfirmed for me the greatness of Pedro Martinez

Let's go a little further...


Rivera in the regular season
Appearances: 1,051<<
ERA: 2.21<<
Saves: 608<<
Blown saves: 73<<
Strikeouts: 1,119
Walks: 277
Opp BA: .210

>> Leads active pitchers (min. 1,000 IP)

Rivera in the postseason
Appearances: 96<<
ERA: 0.70<<
Saves: 42<<
Blown saves: 5
Strikeouts: 110
Walks: 21
Opp BA: .174

>> Best all time (min. 30 IP)

Most saves, MLB history
Mariano Rivera: 608
Trevor Hoffman: 601
Lee Smith: 478
John Franco: 424
Billy Wagner: 422

Most career saves all with one team
Mariano Rivera (Yankees): 608
Jeff Montgomery (Royals): 304
Bobby Thigpen (White Sox): 201
Danny Graves (Reds): 182

Most 30-save seasons
Mariano Rivera: 14
Trevor Hoffman: 14
Lee Smith: 10
Billy Wagner: 9

Most consecutive 20-save seasons
Mariano Rivera: 15
Lee Smith: 13
Jeff Reardon: 11
Most postseason saves, all time
Mariano Rivera: 42
Brad Lidge: 18
Dennis Eckersley: 15

Lowest ERA, live ball era (since 1920)
Mariano Rivera: 2.21
Hoyt Wilhelm: 2.52
Whitey Ford: 2.75
Dan Quisenberry: 2.76
Sandy Koufax: 2.76
(minimum 1,000 IP)

Lowest WHIP, all time
Addie Joss: 0.97
Mariano Rivera: 1.00
Ed Walsh: 1.00
Monte Ward: 1.04
Pedro Martinez: 1.05
(min. 1,000 IP)