Arod and the home run record

[dominik]

Arod is actually still very good when he is healthy. he just insn't healthy a lot in the last 2-3 seasons.

This year he has been quite healthy. If he can stay healthy and only miss 10-20 games per season he will make it to 762. however one bigger injury (say half a season worth of games) and he won't make it. health is the key here.

[Imapotato]

who cares about ANY HR record anymore? If he does, I hope it is followed by a golf clap

[csh19792001]

A-Rod will fall well short of 762 HRs. A-Rod's power has waned considerely since 2007.

Does anyone want him to pass Henry Aaron? Doubt it.

[White Knight]

How many people averaged 21 home runs a year between 36-41? I dont see him having a 35+ HR year again, so he'll actually have to get close to that 21 every year. One interesting thing I noticed, if he sticks around his entire contract, he will most likely be the third person, along with Ty Cobb and Rusty Staub to hit a HR as a teenager and a 40 year old.

Griffey didn't do it? He must have came awfully close.

[Steven Gallanter]

Arod is actually still very good when he is healthy. he just insn't healthy a lot in the last 2-3 seasons.

This year he has been quite healthy. If he can stay healthy and only miss 10-20 games per season he will make it to 762. however one bigger injury (say half a season worth of games) and he won't make it. health is the key here.

Methinks that Arod's physical problems have their root in his knee injury of 1999. Wear and tear from the slight imbalance in his stride started effecting him more as he has aged leading to his chronic hip problem. I think that he will pass Ruth but fall short of Aaron and Bonds. As frequent readers know steroids are of minimal, if that, concern to me.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Griffey didn't do it? He must have came awfully close.

Griffey hit 19 HRs in his age 39 season but didn't hit any in his age 40, and final, season.

[GiambiJuice]

Does anyone want him to pass Henry Aaron? Doubt it.

I certainly do! And I'm sure many other Yankee fans agree. I'm way over the self-righteous anti-steroid stance. It's not 2005 anymore and I've moved on. I've accepted the fact that MOST players of the previous era were using and I'm simply judging A-Rod against his steroid-using peers (including the steroid-using pitchers whom he hit home runs against). It was a level playing field.

[GiambiJuice]

duplicate post.....

[csh19792001]

Griffey hit 19 HRs in his age 39 season but didn't hit any in his age 40, and final, season.

Even though Griffey became kind of a **** later in his career, he might be the only guy from the last 20 years that I would have wanted to see make a run at Aaron's record. His own obsession and self promotion tour with his 500th home run was a big turn off, but he was still a lot more likeable and genuine than A-Rod and Bonds.

Most Home Runs Through Age 30 Season:

 
        Player	        HR	 PA
1.	Ken Griffey	438	7319
2.	Jimmie Foxx	429	7293
3.	Albert Pujols	408	6782
4.	Mickey Mantle	404	7199
5.	Eddie Mathews	399	7124
6.	Frank Robinson	373	7088
7.	Mel Ott	        369	7808
8.	Andruw Jones	368	7276
9.	Hank Aaron	366	7216

[csh19792001]

It was a level playing field.

No, it wasn't. Common sense tells us that a considerable percentage of big leaguers weren't juicing; professional athletes- of all people- are aware that steroids have bizarre, harmful, and eventually lethal side effects. More importantly, among juicers who excelled (excels today: see Ryan Braun) became who had the best pharm regimen....and after the testing policy became enforced it became, "who has the least easily detectable concoction...."

There's nothing level (or legit) about that "playing field".

[Steven Gallanter]

Likeability is not a prerequisite or reward for on the filed accomplishments.

[1905 Giants]

Likeability is not a prerequisite or reward for on the filed accomplishments.

True, if you don't believe it ask Cobb, Hornsby, Bonds, Belle, and Jackson

[White Knight]

Even though Griffey became kind of a **** later in his career, he might be the only guy from the last 20 years that I would have wanted to see make a run at Aaron's record. His own obsession and self promotion tour with his 500th home run was a big turn off, but he was still a lot more likeable and genuine than A-Rod and Bonds.

Became? I think he always was a jerk, especially when he was younger. The whole shirt out and hat backwards right before and after the game always showed me he thought who the hell he was.

[fenrir]

Became? I think he always was a jerk, especially when he was younger. The whole shirt out and hat backwards right before and after the game always showed me he thought who the hell he was.

I don't see anything wrong with a backwards hat to be honest.

[Lpeters199]

Roid user--who cares?

[willshad]

Aaron's record is safe for a long time. A-rod and Pujols are both in steep decline, and neither will get to 700 home runs. Albert may not even get to 500 at this pace. Who else has a shot? Cabrera?

[Rich the Giants fan]

It was a level playing field.

Wasn't it? If Eric Gagne faced Barry Bonds, could either say they had an advantage?

[Rich the Giants fan]

Common sense tells us that a considerable percentage of big leaguers weren't juicing

Wait, you're serious? Hundreds, if not a thousand or more players have used and gotten away with it, IMO. I'm far more inclined to believe the likes of Ken Caminiti and Jose Canseco than I am to believe guys like Alex Rodriguez and Andy Pettitte.

[History Of Baseball Fan]

Griffeys back to back 56 HR seasons at the height of the steroid era looks a little "fishy" to me... especially when he had a 49 and 48 HR season before and after the 56's. He basically hit one third of his career HRs in a 4 year period when McGwire and Sosa were hitting over 60 HRs a season. Just because he was never "caught" doesn't mean he is clean. I just laugh when I see so many people on this forum say that he is one of the only "clean" power hitters of the last few decades.

[John Shoemaker]

I think both A-Rod and Pujols will end up somewhere between 700 and 800 homeruns. Whither either one will pass Bonds I'm not sure. What will help them is that even though their yearly totals are declining they both have multi-year contracts and with drug testing they won't have to face all the pitchers on steroids they had to face in the past.

[csh19792001]

Wasn't it? If Eric Gagne faced Barry Bonds, could either say they had an advantage?

YES! Whichever guy had the better drug dealer(s) had the advantage.

[fenrir]

Aaron's record is safe for a long time. A-rod and Pujols are both in steep decline, and neither will get to 700 home runs. Albert may not even get to 500 at this pace. Who else has a shot? Cabrera?

Isn't it a bit early to be declaring that Pujols is on a "steep decline"?

[fenrir]

Griffeys back to back 56 HR seasons at the height of the steroid era looks a little "fishy" to me... especially when he had a 49 and 48 HR season before and after the 56's. He basically hit one third of his career HRs in a 4 year period when McGwire and Sosa were hitting over 60 HRs a season. Just because he was never "caught" doesn't mean he is clean. I just laugh when I see so many people on this forum say that he is one of the only "clean" power hitters of the last few decades.

You can say that about any player. Randy Johnson was the greatest "old" pitcher in baseball history. The guy was absolutely dominant in his mid-late 30's, despite pitching in the steroid era. what makes him less of a steroid suspect than Griffey? What about Jeter, what makes him less of a steroid suspect than Griffey? Do you believe that players today, who are stronger than ever because of modern nutrition and weight training, aren't capable of hitting 50+ home runs without steroids?

[White Knight]

I don't see anything wrong with a backwards hat to be honest.

I did it often when I was younger, and once in a while still do it. I didn't play for the Mariners, however. You also left out the shirt not tucked in part. Thankfully, the Yankees ban stuff like that.

[White Knight]

You can say that about any player. Randy Johnson was the greatest "old" pitcher in baseball history. The guy was absolutely dominant in his mid-late 30's, despite pitching in the steroid era. what makes him less of a steroid suspect than Griffey? What about Jeter, what makes him less of a steroid suspect than Griffey? Do you believe that players today, who are stronger than ever because of modern nutrition and weight training, aren't capable of hitting 50+ home runs without steroids?

Randy is a suspect because of his own words after retirement. He said something like "I wouldn't be surprised if I'm on that list with all the over the counter stuff I took." Jeter is less of a suspect because even in his prime he couldn't hit more than 24 home runs.