I was going to suggest the same thing!
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I was going to suggest the same thing!
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- Sammy Sosa
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- Craig Ashley (AKA Windy City Fan)
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Roster corrections for Badgers
1) Nolan traded - see Rookie Draft #66-67
2( Stennett Free Agent - see Offseason Thread #36
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Running some sims. Set 5 man rotation with 1 - 3 Carlton Stieb Alexander. Set to "Time". Ran season. Carlton got "ZERO"starts, Stieb got "ZERO", Alexander got 8. LaCoss got 63. Shirley got 52
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Just ran another sim. Badgers won division with a LOSING RECORD of 83-85. One win better than Lew's Legends. Whats up with DMB ???
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--The time setting does not work except with real life teams intact. Not so great even then. I haven't been able to run sims because some teams aren't able to field a workable roster yet.
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I have two quick questions:
1. I assume that everyone should update their rosters on the roster thread before we start free agency. Is that correct?
2. I assume that players that did not receive HTD bids are considered signed by their original team and should be included on this roster. Is that correct?
Dan
CKL - Maloy Boys
P2PKL - Detroit Tigers
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The Beavers have Reynolds on their roster still based on the league file, but his contract unfortunately has expired and he is a free agent.
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That's what is supposed to happen, but it doesn't always occur. Everyone is definitely supposed to post their roster size and remaining cap space (or total salary so far) in the auction thread PRIOR TO BEING ABLE TO POST ANY BIDS. That hasn't always happened, either, unfortunately.I have two quick questions:
1. I assume that everyone should update their rosters on the roster thread before we start free agency. Is that correct?
I presume Dan that you mean they received no overbids on the HTD offer. If that's the case, then you are correct. Any HTD offer not topped by another owner prior to the ending of the HTD period is resigned by his original team and should be on the roster.2. I assume that players that did not receive HTD bids are considered signed by their original team and should be included on this roster. Is that correct?
Mark, if I got something wrong here please correct me, but I think (hope?) that this info is correct.
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Lew, that's what I meant (no over bids). I included Blyleven and Hood on the roster I posted in the roster thread. Should I post it in the free agent thread too? Or perhaps a recap (total players and salaries) with a reference to the roster thread.Originally Posted by catcher24
I also assume that non-tendered players that a team is still responsible to pay should be included in the total salaries. There are some teams with updated rosters on the roster thread whose total salaries don't include non-tendered players.
Dan
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--lew is correct. i'm not sure what players you are referring as non-tender, but still owed salary. non-tendering should refer only to drafted players still in their 6 years of team control you no longer wish to keep. those players can be dropped without penalty (or could before the deadline passed anyway). if you want to cut a player on a free agent deal before it expires then that money does continue to be charged against your cap. i am not aware of anybody in that category, but there is they need to adjust their cap accordingly.
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Oops, my bad. I forgot that you could drop a player still under contract without penalty. Can we still chalk it up as a newbie mistake? :-)
Thanks for setting me straight.
Dan
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Dan - You don't have to post the entire roster again. All you need to put is the number of players on the roster with total salary OR the number needed with your available cap space OR, preferably, both. I'll be posting mine in a few minutes and you can see what I do. Not necessarily the right way to do it, but it will give you a good idea.
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Sunday, May 14, 1978
Sockeye's Angels have three players available for trade.
OF: Ron Roenicke 0.25K Contract: 1981 Rookie, Exp 1986
LF: Gene Roof 0.25K Contract: 1981 Rookie, Exp 1986
Looking for 4th round picks in '83, '84, or '86 in return or a 3rd round pick in any of those years takes all of them.
Last edited by Sockeye; 07-05-2012 at 12:23 PM.
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"A ballplayer has to just go out and be mean. You can't play half-heartedly. If you do, there's someone right over your shoulder that'll take your job away. If you don't do your job, what they're paying you for, why should they pay you? You just can't put in eight hours, that's what a lot of people don't realize about athletes. Very few people realize the pressure." Dave Kingman
Sunday, May 14, 1978
Sockeye's Angels trade
Alan Wiggins
to
Badgers
for
1983 4th Round Pick (Badgers)
Ed will confirm this deal.
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"A ballplayer has to just go out and be mean. You can't play half-heartedly. If you do, there's someone right over your shoulder that'll take your job away. If you don't do your job, what they're paying you for, why should they pay you? You just can't put in eight hours, that's what a lot of people don't realize about athletes. Very few people realize the pressure." Dave Kingman
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Badgers confirm
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The Thunder are still willing to deal Dwayne Murphy. He's got 3 years left on a rookie deal at 2M. This season he's a 130 OPS+ CF with a VG glove and a VG arm. He's also a quality starter in 82 nd 83.
The Tyrants are still willing to part with Dennis Martinez, who's only making 3M and offers a 110 ERA+ as a starting pitcher.
Joe Nolan is on the block and he's a great platoon or back up catcher 120 OPS+ in 264 PA (with 170% this year, he's eligible for over 400 PA). With a salary of 1.5M through this season.
Larry Herndon could also be available. A VG corner outfielder who can also play CF in a pinch, he's got 111 OPS in 391 PA. But his splits indicate someone who will crush left handed pitching (.351 and an EX power rating vs lefties), so he would be a nice back up or platoon guy who happens to have enough playing time to be a starter and he's only making 1M through this season.
Joel Youngblood is also available with a big 165 OPS+ in 161 PA. He plays all 3 OF spots and is only making 1M through this season.
Last edited by Windy City Fan; 07-09-2012 at 07:43 AM.
"I will calmly wait for my induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame."
- Sammy Sosa
"Get a comfy chair, Sammy, cause its gonna be a long wait."
- Craig Ashley (AKA Windy City Fan)
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Two trades!
The Thunder send recently signed outfielder Al Woods to the Dust Bunnies in exchange for Mike Caldwell and Dave Bergman!
The Tyrants send Dennis Martinez, Joe Nolan, the Angels 3rd pick in 82, and the Tyrants 4th round pick in 82 to the Dust Bunnies for the Corsairs 2nd round pick in 83 and the Dust Bunnies 3rd round pick in 84.
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- Sammy Sosa
"Get a comfy chair, Sammy, cause its gonna be a long wait."
- Craig Ashley (AKA Windy City Fan)
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Dust Bunnies confirm these two deals.
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
Sunday, May 14, 1978
The Angels own the Dust Bunnies 3rd round pick in 1984 (#110 78-79 off season thread)
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"A ballplayer has to just go out and be mean. You can't play half-heartedly. If you do, there's someone right over your shoulder that'll take your job away. If you don't do your job, what they're paying you for, why should they pay you? You just can't put in eight hours, that's what a lot of people don't realize about athletes. Very few people realize the pressure." Dave Kingman
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--Sorry gentlemen, but I can not approve these trades. A dual team owner is not permitted to use both teams to work out a deal with another. You can pick one of these if it works as a stand alone deal. Otherwise you can rework the deal with either the Thunder or Tyrants or just cancel it altogether.
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I don't understand why. They are two seperate deals and both the Thunder and the Tyrants both benefit without sending players or picks from one team to the other. The Thunder almost aquired Caldwell from the Angels, but we couldn't agree on the compensation the Thunder would get for the salary dump. And the Tyrants have been shopping Nolan and Martinez, along with other players for some time now.
I mean I'll abide by the ruling, but I wasn't trying to do anything underhanded or circumvent any rules. The Tryants wanted to shop a few players and the Thunder were willing to eat some salary for compensation (in form of Dave Bergman, who has a nice bench season in 83 whne the Thunder hope to be returning to contention)
Last edited by Windy City Fan; 07-12-2012 at 04:33 PM.
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- Sammy Sosa
"Get a comfy chair, Sammy, cause its gonna be a long wait."
- Craig Ashley (AKA Windy City Fan)
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I feel like I am missing something here . . . . It seems like these are 2 trades that are completely independant of each other. I don't see where any players in either deal or picks for that matter are involved with each other. Both deals are completely confined to the 2 teams trading in that deal.
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Mark,
What is wrong with the logic above?. Are you saying that if I trade with, say, the Tyrants, I cannot trade with the Thunder, because they are both controlled by the same owner? That day? That week? That month? Ever?
Jack
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Apparently the deal that the Dust Bunnies made with the Thunder will not stand.
If anyone who is not expecting to be a contender this year wishes to make a similar deal, that would help a lot. To be specific the Dust Bunnies wish to trade Mike Caldwell ($6.00M, FA 81) as a salary dump. So the proposal for anyone interested is: Mike Caldwell and Dave Bergman ($1.00M, FA 81-83, excellent 1983 stats) for any $0.25M player on your roster. Thank you. Jack
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--When we first had to start doing dual ownership I considered banning any same year deals between both teams of one owner with another owners team. I was persuaded not to make that a hard rule, but I do reserve the right to review such deals. In this case the Dust Bunnies wanted to dump Cauldwell's salary in order to acquire Martinez from the Tyrants. Craig's other team agreed to take on that salary to facilitate the deal. That was my take on the deal anyway and Jack's offer above appears to confirm that was more or less how the deals came about. Obviously both owners thought this was okay or the deals wouldn't have been posted together, but I think the only way dual ownership can work is if one teams moves never benefit the other in any way. My apologies to anyone who thinks my voiding this deal is too draconian, but I don't want to take even the smallest step down this slippery slope.
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