View Poll Results: Which player would you start your team with?

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  • Harold Baines

    3 27.27%
  • Carlos Delgado

    8 72.73%
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Thread: Harold Baines vs Carlos Delgado

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    Harold Baines vs Carlos Delgado

    I'm going to run a series of polls with the winner advancing each time to face another opponent. Will leave each poll up for a week. I'll try to provide as much statistical information as possible. Hopefully we can get some lively insightful debates going and bring to light some overlooked players from yesteryear.
    If you could pick between these two players to start your franchise with which would you pick? Please consider all relavent information. Their careers as a whole, peak performance, hitting, fielding, baserunning, positional value, league quality, etc.

    Harold Baines

    2830 games
    11092 plate appearances
    9908 at-bats
    1299 runs
    2866 hits
    488 doubles
    49 triples
    384 home runs
    1628 RBI
    34 stolen bases
    34 caught stealing
    1062 walks
    1441 strikeouts
    .289 AVG
    .356 OBP
    .465 SLG
    .820 OPS
    121 OPS+
    4604 total bases
    1606 runs created
    5.8 RC/G
    102 AIR
    .585 OW%
    .770 Total Average
    .283 Secondary Average
    312.7 Win Shares
    142.7 WSAB
    34.0 rWAR
    45.3 fWAR
    33.9 sWAR

    Carlos Delgado

    2035 games
    8657 plate appearances
    7283 at-bats
    1241 runs
    2038 hits
    483 doubles
    18 triples
    473 home runs
    1512 RBI
    14 stolen bases
    8 caught stealing
    1109 walks
    1745 strikeouts
    .280 AVG
    .383 OBP
    .546 SLG
    .929 OPS
    138 OPS+
    3976 total bases
    1588 runs created
    7.7 RC/G
    110 AIR
    .678 OW%
    .974 Total Average
    .419 Secondary Average
    303.8 Win Shares
    161.2 WSAB
    40.4 rWAR
    46.3 fWAR
    47.7 sWAR

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    Who on earth voted for Baines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by willshad View Post
    Who on earth voted for Baines?
    If you click on the poll results you'll say the voters' names.
    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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    Quote Originally Posted by willshad View Post
    Who on earth voted for Baines?
    He always votes for the 'other' guy, no matter who it is.

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    Haaaaaarold .....

    .... is comfortably ahead in win shares and runs created - stats which all true sabremetricians understand are key.

    Key, I tell ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by westsidegrounds View Post
    Haaaaaarold .....

    .... is comfortably ahead in win shares and runs created - stats which all true sabremetricians understand are key.

    Key, I tell ya!
    I'll see your win shares and runs created and raise you win shares above bench and runs created per game...
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    "A ballplayer has to just go out and be mean. You can't play half-heartedly. If you do, there's someone right over your shoulder that'll take your job away. If you don't do your job, what they're paying you for, why should they pay you? You just can't put in eight hours, that's what a lot of people don't realize about athletes. Very few people realize the pressure." Dave Kingman

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    I don't care what the stats and Sabermetrics say. I saw most of Baines' career. I'll take my chances with Harold. Call it "the intangibles", if you like.
    "Can I throw harder than Joe Wood? Listen my friend, no man alive can throw harder than Smoky Joe Wood". - Walter Johnson, 1912 interview

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    Baines was a solid hitter who played forever, but he just is not in Delgado's class as a hitter. Delgado probably had 7 or 8 seasons that were better than Baines' best season.

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    Delgado is the better hitter, Baines is a longtime fave. I voted Baines just because.

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    Delgado blows Baines out of the water. Delgato averaged out 50 more total bases than Baines per 162 games. Both were marginal defensively.

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