Rank The (Non Player) Hall Of Famers

[SavoyBG]

In terms of categorizing the players, I wouldn't go by wikipedia or even baseball-reference.com, but go exactly by the classifications used on the Hall of Fame's website. wikipedia may just mirror that (baseball-reference.com doesn't), but you never know.

I have to respectfully disagree here.

A - The HOF site is very diffucult to navigate through. You can;t just look at one list, you have to get to each player individually.
B - The first guy I checked was Candy Cummings, who the HOF site lists as an executive.

Maybe Wiki did copy their list from the HOF site, given that both sites erroniously list Cummings as an executive, but that's doubtful because Warren Giles is correctly listed as an executive on the HOF site. More likely there are just people putting these sites togeher who don't really know all that much. Much like the Rock & Roll HOF site where I recently spent weeks correcting several hundred factual errors.

ROFLMAO - The hall of fame site lists George Wright as an executive.

[DoubleX]

I have to respectfully disagree here.

A - The HOF site is very diffuclt to navigate through. You can;t just look at one list, you have to get to each player individually.
B - The first guy I checked was Candy Cummings, who the HOF site lists as an executive.

Maybe Wiki did copy their list from the HOF site, given that both sites erroniously list Cummings as an executive, but that's doubtful because Warren Giles is correctly listed as an executive on the HOF site. More likely there are just people putting these sites togeher who don't really know all that much. Much like the Rock & Roll HOF site where I recently spent weeks correcting several hundred factual errors.

ROFLMAO - The hall of fame site lists George Wright as an executive.

You can sort at the Hall of Fame's website. If you go the Hall of Fame members page, on the right there a few drop down options, including searching by category. The categories are: Player, Manager, Umpire, Executive/Pioneer.

Everyone on the executive/pioneer page is given a "position" of executive, but that really seems like a lazy shorthand for those that were really pioneers, like Cummings and Wright.

So I would sort by categories and then at the Executive/Pioneer page, use my judgment to classify the individual as a pioneer or executive.

[SavoyBG]

You can sort at the Hall of Fame's website. If you go the Hall of Fame members page, on the right there a few drop down options, including searching by category. The categories are: Player, Manager, Umpire, Executive/Pioneer.

Everyone on the executive/pioneer page is given a "position" of executive, but that really seems like a lazy shorthand for those that were really pioneers, like Cummings and Wright.

So I would sort by categories and then at the Executive/Pioneer page, use my judgment to classify the individual as a pioneer or executive.

Thanks, the only change I'm gonna make is to move Harry Wright out of MANAGERS and into PIONEERS.

For me the hardest category to rank are the executives. Other than Rickey and a few who I have near the bottom, there are like a dozen or more who are all pretty close IMO.

[SavoyBG]

While researching Landis, I came across this tidbit about the Black Sox trial.

On August 2, 1921, the jury returned not guilty verdicts against all defendants, leading to happy pandemonium in the courtroom, joined by the courtroom bailiffs, with even the trial judge, Hugo Friend, looking visibly pleased. The players and jury then repaired to an Italian restaurant and partied well into the night.

[SavoyBG]

Here's how I am ranking the executives:

EXECUTIVES (22)
Branch Rickey EXEC
Ban Johnson EXEC
Ed Barrow EXEC
William Hulbert EXEC
George Weiss EXEC
Kenesaw Landis EXEC
Bill Veeck EXEC
Pat Gillick EXEC
Warren Giles EXEC
J. L. Wilkinson EXEC
Cum Posey EXEC
Ford Frick EXEC
Happy Chandler EXEC
Walter O'Malley EXEC
Lee MacPhail EXEC
Larry MacPhail EXEC
Will Harridge EXEC
Tom Yawkey EXEC
Bowie Kuhn EXEC
Alex Pompez EXEC
Effa Manley EXEC
Morgan Bulkeley EXEC

I am not very impressed with anybody below Lee MacPhail, and I am not all that impressed either with Chandler and Frick, Like most commisioners and league presidents, they were politicians who were brought in for their political influence.

I don't think Kuhn belongs in the hall of fame. He made many more bad decisions than good ones IMO. His legacy is freezing with no jacket at the world series as he tried to dispell criticsm for it being too cold at those October games. Bulkeley is just an out and out mistake. After Ban Johnson went in there was an outcry to induct a National League Executive too, and they just went and inducted the first NL president without really researching his credentials, which are very weak. The guy was only president for one year.