Paul Konerko: 2000 Games with the White sox

[filihok]

I don't know what you mean by a citation needed but heres a small sample of his first half.

March 31, 1998,,,, 2 RBI Sox win 9-2
April 2-17....4 RBI
April 18,,,,, 2 RBI Sox win 14-7
April 19-28.....6 RBI
April 29....4 RBI Sox win 16-7

Belle's performance in April 1998: .348/.505 -2.03 WPA
Robin Ventura's performance in APril 1998: .385/.546 -3.28 WPA

Where's the Ventura criticism? He hit better than Belle, but his hits were even less timely

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Belle's performance in April 1998: .348/.505 -2.03 WPA
Robin Ventura's performance in APril 1998: .385/.546 -3.28 WPA

Where's the Ventura criticism? He hit better than Belle, but his hits were even less timely

Ventura was a gold glove thirdbaseman who wasn't a clubhouse cancer.

[filihok]

Ventura was a gold glove thirdbaseman who wasn't a clubhouse cancer.

ROFL

So, all this stuff about Belle not getting big hits, isn't your actual argument.

Curious, what's your take on Frank Thomas in 1998?

[filihok]

Double post

[chicagowhitesox1173]

ROFL

So, all this stuff about Belle not getting big hits, isn't your actual argument.

Curious, what's your take on Frank Thomas in 1998?

It's part of my argument and I showed you how Belle wasn't very productive during the first half. (like you asked) another part of my argument is that Konerko's leadership is huge when trying to build winning teams. Something Belle was clueless about.

I think Frank Thomas was a great player but when it comes to chemistry, you may as well throw him on the same boat as Belle. He was left off the 2005 WS roster for a reason and that reason was because he was a distraction. I think Frank Thomas was an idiot for campaigning for Belle to play with the Sox in 98 too. That money could have been spent more wisely.

[filihok]

It's part of my argument and I showed you how Belle wasn't very productive during the first half. (like you asked)

I showed that he was more productive offensively than Ventura, who escapes criticism.

another part of my argument is that Konerko's leadership is huge when trying to build winning teams. Something Belle was clueless about.

I think Frank Thomas was a great player but when it comes to chemistry, you may as well throw him on the same boat as Belle. He was left off the 2005 WS roster for a reason and that reason was because he was a distraction. I think Frank Thomas was an idiot for campaigning for Belle to play with the Sox in 98 too. That money could have been spent more wisely.

There's no way to prove or disprove anyone's leadership or cancerousness.

So I don't think there's any reason to continue this discussion.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

I showed that he was more productive offensively than Ventura, who escapes criticism.




There's no way to prove or disprove anyone's leadership or cancerousness.

So I don't think there's any reason to continue this discussion.

I'm fine with ending the discussion but I will give one example of Konerko's leadership over Belle. A few years ago Konerko was hit in the face and was told to come out of the game, he opted to stay in the game even though he was bloodied from being hit in the face. His next time up to the plate he hits a homerun. Albert Belle never would have done that, his response would be to hold up the game while charging the mound and getting suspended over it.

Your gonna tell me you can't prove which one is a real leader?

[filihok]

I'm fine with ending the discussion but I will give one example of Konerko's leadership over Belle. A few years ago Konerko was hit in the face and was told to come out of the game, he opted to stay in the game even though he was bloodied from being hit in the face. His next time up to the plate he hits a homerun. Albert Belle never would have done that, his response would be to hold up the game while charging the mound and getting suspended over it.

Your gonna tell me you can't prove which one is a real leader?

Yes, I'm going to tell you that.

Can you provide documentation of the incident you are referring to?
Can you provide documentation to support your claim in regards to what Albert Belle would have never done

[filihok]

Can you provide documentation to support your claim in regards to what Albert Belle would have never done

Here's at least 1 game in which Belle was hit by a pitch and later hit a home run
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...99304260.shtml

[chicagowhitesox1173]

deleted to wrong type of link.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Deleted due to inserted video

[chicagowhitesox1173]

There ya go buddy Southside Pride.

[ol' aches and pains]

If I was putting together a team, I would take Paul Konerko over a whole roster of Albert Belles. Leadership and clubhouse chemistry are important, and can only be quantified by obsevation over time. There is no stat, traditional or sabermetric that measures them.