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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
    I wonder if there was any attempt to keep the memory of the 1901, Brewers alive in Milwaukee subsequent to their leaving. For example, reunions, etc. or did they just go down the memory hole like a 19th century team? No city was longer between major league franchises than Milwaukee: 52 years.
    I don't know. The franchise began as a minor league team in 1894 in the Western League. The Western League became the American League in 1900 and became a major league in 1901. The Brewers drew fewer than 2000 fans per game (7th in the league in attendance) and were then transferred. The franchise was then replaced with a new minor league team.

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    Good point about Milwaukee's WL history. Reidy and Waldron, in particular, had some history with the WL Brewers/Creams. And future Brownie Rube Waddell played his first full professional season with the WL Brewers.
    Quote Originally Posted by RUKen View Post
    I don't know. The franchise began as a minor league team in 1894 in the Western League. The Western League became the American League in 1900 and became a major league in 1901. The Brewers drew fewer than 2000 fans per game (7th in the league in attendance) and were then transferred. The franchise was then replaced with a new minor league team.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
    Bill Friel and Jiggs Donahue played as well. I wish they had kept Ned Garvin instead of Reidy. Garvin had a 2.09 ERA in 1902. they should've known he was hot stuff because he led the American League in strikeouts per nine innings in 1901.

    If they had had Garvin, probably would've won pennant in 1902. Throwing off the loser stigma early might've changed franchise history.

    in fact, it's not clear from the transactions section exactly how Garvin left the franchise for the White Sox
    Looking at the Sporting News, from the Jan. 11, 1902 edition, Garvin was not listed among on the roster Jimmy McAleer planned to bring to St. Louis (although technically the move to St. Louis wasn't official yet). Later, there was a note of a possible Garvin trade to the White Sox for Joe Sugden, who will play for the Browns in 1902 (listed as a purchase in February according to baseball-reference.com). A quick search of later issues didn't turn up the exact transaction, but in the Feb. 8 edition Sugden is mentioned by McAleer as one of the team's catchers.

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    So if Veeck had been able to move the Browns to Milwaukee in '53 before the Braves did

    would have been a belated restoration of a franchise

    I never realized that

  5. #45
    I've just come across another photo of Jiggs Donahue in the Chicago Daily News archive that is listed as being from 1904, but he is clearly wearing the coat worn by the Browns from 1902 through 1905. He played for St. Louis only in 1902, so that must be the correct date of the picture, and he appears to be wearing his left-handed catcher's mitt. The photo has been added to post #9 on page 1 of this thread.
    Last edited by RUKen; 04-18-2013 at 05:22 AM.

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    Program (Scorebook) from the 1902 Season

    1902 Cle at StL program.jpg

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    Very cool scorebook. Could we possibly get a peek inside?

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    Interesting. New York gains one from Baltimore (Yanks) then almost lost one (Dodgers).

    Also, Babe Ruth probably doesnt couldnt sign with his hometown IL Orioles. But then who? He wouldnt have been ready for major leagues at his age. Probably would have signed with the Fed Lg Terrapins.

    As a footnote, the Houston discussion was concerning the Cardinals moving not the Browns

    Quote Originally Posted by RUKen View Post
    In the Brooklyn Dodgers forum I've posted a bunch of photos from their Washington Park days (1898-1912), and included excerpts that I quoted from Sporting Life that indicated that a few years after the Baltimore Orioles and Brooklyn Superbas had effectively merged, plans were afoot to move the Brooklyn team back to Baltimore. These plans were thwarted by Charlie Ebbets and another Brooklyn businessman who purchased controlling interest (between the two of them) from a Baltimore-based owner. (Manager/part-owner Ned Hanlon had led the effort to move the team south.)

    Had Hanlon been able to purchase controlling interest in the team and move them south, then the Browns obviously would never have moved to Baltimore. I think it is unlikely that Walter O'Malley would have bought the NL Baltimore Orioles in the 1950s and moved them west. The least successful of the two St. Louis teams would have instead (in all probability) moved to California, or perhaps to Houston (which was in the discussion stages in the early '50s). If no other NL team had moved to California, then the Giants may have stayed in New York, or moved to Minneapolis. The expansion teams of the early 1960s might have all been on the West Coast!

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
    Very cool scorebook. Could we possibly get a peek inside?
    'Sorry, not from me. You'll have to bid on it at the Robert Edwards Auction that has just opened.

  10. #50
    Here is a clearer image of the photo in post #30 of the 1902 Browns dressed formally:

    1902 AL St. Louis 2.jpg

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    Spalding Guide composite of the 1902 St. Louis Browns

    1902 AL St. Louis 2.jpg

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