I always thought he was a good underrated hitting catcher. I know the Mets are committed to Thole, but I would start Shoppach everyday. He has plus power. A very good pickup IMO.
There IS a "we" in team
I always thought he was a good underrated hitting catcher. I know the Mets are committed to Thole, but I would start Shoppach everyday. He has plus power. A very good pickup IMO.
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Mets fan
He's only hit .206 since 2009.
There IS a "we" in team
He hits 20 homers a year based on a 162 game average. Thats better than 90% of the catchers in baseball.Originally Posted by Cowtipper
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In addition, he also strikes out 176 times per 162 games as well, too.
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I agree with The Amazing Met that the Mets getting Kelly Shoppach is a very good pickup.Shoppach is a right handed
hitting catcher who the Mets say is going to platoon with Josh Thole.He has 31 home runs in 492 career at bats with a
.530 slugging percentage against lefthanded pitching.And considering the Mets plan on using Shoppach for the most part
against lefties and Thole against righties those stats are very good production.Most major league players would give
anything to hit 31 home runs in 492 at bats with a .530 slugging percentage in a season.Besides,Shoppach is like Johnny
Bench compared to Johnson and Nickeas.Jeez,a mannequin can hit better than Nickeas.I think Shoppach would do very
well against lefthanded pitching for the Mets and that's who he's mostly going to face.Like The Amazing Met said a very
good pickup IMO.
"You don't give up any runs,we'll guarantee you
at least a tie." ~ Grote to Koosman
There IS a "we" in team
So does Duda, and Davis, and other players fans are enamoured with. Catcher is a power deviod position. I'll take 20 homers from Shoppach over 1 homer and 30 RBi from Thole.
unknown brooklyn cabbie " how are the brooks doin"
unknown fan "good they got three men on base"
unknown brooklyn cabbie "which one?"
The Alderson Era
Shoppach is a platoon player.
Mets fan
Yes, and Duda is now in the minors for a reason, while Davis has been heavily criticized all season.
Paulypal
Well that makes him better than the minor league roster that we watched this year.
Paulypal
I have to agree with Amazing here. Shoppach is not like getting Johnny Bench but cmon I am so sick of watching Thole. Its very difficult to complain about Shoppach and not consider him an upgrade when Met catchers are hitting in the .230's with 2 homers and 35 rbi's. Its freaking the middle of August...35 rbi's?
I didnt realize how bad this was until I just checked Fangraphs. They are consistent because along with the 35 rbi's they also have 31 runs scored.
Paulypal
Update - Kelly Shoppach scored 2 runs tonight. He has already scored 1/16th of all the runs that the Mets catchers have score this year...in one game.
Mets fan
I'm not saying Shoppach is bad, I'm saying that anyone who thinks he's a marked improvement is erroneous in his judgement.
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Mets fan
No. Like I said, Shoppach isn't "bad", he's just not what the Mets need to be "good".
He's the equivalent of putting a cork in a 15x15 foot hole in a dam.
"The Mets sent Pedro Beato to complete the Shoppach trade." Cowtipper you put that in the season thread. I think it belongs here. Even though Shoppach is a massive upgrade offensively in that he can do one thing well if he is just a two month rental in a sub .500 season I have to ask why. Did Beato fall that badly or is he injured and thus merits writing off at 25 (or younger)?
Paulypal
I dont disagree, but he is still an upgrade.
Honestly I think the Mets have 2-3 players on their team that can make the roster when the team is good.
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Yeah what happened to the legendary Alderson "plan" of stockpiling young arms? You deal a guy who had been a top 10 prospect and is still young (albeit currently less than effective) for a journeyman catcher with 6 weeks left on his contract? Call me crazy, but that kind of blows the myth of the "plan" out the window.
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Paulypal
Shouldnt we stockpile GOOD young arms.
Strawman in your opinion do you think Alderson was on the grassy knoll in Dallas November 22nd 1963?
The Alderson Era
Uh, Beato was a middle reliever at best, but okay...
Registered User
While I don't think Sandy shot JFK, I do believe there is grainy film showing Alderson took out officer J.D. Tippitt and framed Oswald.
As for Shoppach, it seems he may have been the ringleader in trying to get rid of Bobby V. The last thing the Mets need is a clubhouse lawyer. Unless he can hit like Johnny Bench and throw like Jerry Grote !
Registered User
Oswalt - he framed Oswalt. And it was Tebbetts, Officer Birdie Tebbetts.
Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.
Paulypal
Just a rumor..Shoppach didnt have a thing to do with it
There IS a "we" in team
Or he may not have. All we have are unsubstantiated rumors. Its convienient and easy to put the blame on someone who is no longer on the team. Besides, who cares about the Red Sox?
unknown brooklyn cabbie " how are the brooks doin"
unknown fan "good they got three men on base"
unknown brooklyn cabbie "which one?"
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...or hit like Johnny Bench and throw like... Johnny Bench
"We have a plan; and I like our plan." ...Omar
"I belive in our minor leagers; and I like our minor leagers." ...Omar
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Well,Shoppach has already out homered Thole 2 to 1 as a Met.And the way Shoppach blocked the plate in Sunday's game
in the top of the ninth to keep the score tied 1-1 if Thole were behind the plate that runner would have scored because
no way Thole blocks the plate like that.Shoppach has been a nice addition.Naturally if we can't get anybody better I hope
Shoppach comes back next year.
"You don't give up any runs,we'll guarantee you
at least a tie." ~ Grote to Koosman
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