1902 Season Thread

[rmadachik]

Opening day is August 22nd!
Use this thread to submit lineups and roster info.
Sim results will be posted here along with stats.

[BigRon]

Yikes- August 22? No rest for the weary!

[Sockeye]

SP: Rube Waddell, 15.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 5 years, exp 1905 (RFA)
SP: Joe McGinnity, 10.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
SP: Bill Dinneen, 8.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
SP: Tully Sparks, 7.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 6 years, exp 1906
SP: Bill Bernhard, 6.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
1B: Pop Dillon, 5.50M Contract, 1901 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
2B: Tim Flood, 5.25M Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
SP: Kid Nichols, 5.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
SP: Bob Wicker, 4.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 5 years, exp 1905
SP: Addie Joss, 3.00M Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, Exp 1908
2B: Pete Childs, 2.75M Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, Exp 1902
SP: Jack Sutthoff, 2.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
SP: Ed Poole, 2.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
RF: Ducky Holmes, 2.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
SP: Rube Vickers, 1.50M Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, Exp 1908
LF: Lefty Davis, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
1B: John Ganzel, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
SS: Dave Brain, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
C: Jack Warner, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
C: Chief Zimmer, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
1B: Charlie Carr, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
SS: Herman Long, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
C: Jack O'Connor, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
SP: Rube Kisinger, 0.75K Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, exp 1908
3B: Fred Hartman, 0.75K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
C: Fritz Buelow, 0.50K Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
SP: Martin Glendon, 0.50K Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, exp 1908
OF: Harry Arndt, 0.25K Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, exp 1908
1B: Hal O'Hagan, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
RF: Pepper Clark, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902

30 Players = 89.50M


1. (2B) Tim Flood (Childs)
2. (C) Jack Warner (Buelow 30%, O'Connor 20%, Zimmer 10%)
3. (1B) Pop Dillon (O'Hagan 40%)
4. (SS) Hermon Long (Childs)
5. (3B) Fred Hartman (Childs)
6. (DH) Pete Childs (Zimmer)
7. (RF) Ducky Holmes (Clark)
8. (LF) Harry Arndt (Clark)
9. (CF) Lefty Davis (Clark)

Pitching Assignments
Rotation - 4 Man, strict

SP1: Rube Waddell
SP2: Bill Bernhard
SP3: Joe McGinnity
SP4: Bill Dinneen

Closer: Rube Kisinger
Long Relief: Ed Poole
Mopup: Addie Joss


Strategy
Bunt For Hit: Normal
Sacrifice Bunt: More
Squeeze Bunt: More
Hit and Run: Most
Stealing: More
Running: More
Taking Pitches: Normal
PH For non Pitchers: Normal
PH For Platoon Partner: Normal
PH In Blowouts: Normal
Pitching Around: More
Intentional Walk: More
Pickoffs: Normal
Pitching Out: More
Using Relievers: Less
Using Closers: Normal
Holding Runners: More
Infield In: Most
Guard Lines: Normal

[Wade8813]

You have Addie Joss pitching mop-up? I'm sure you must have some sort of master plan, but for the life of me I can't figure out what it is...

[rmadachik]

You have Addie Joss pitching mop-up? I'm sure you must have some sort of master plan, but for the life of me I can't figure out what it is...

the number 1 pick again next year maybe

[dust bunnies]

the number 1 pick again next year maybe

I hope this isn't true. Knowing Garry for some time in the CKL, I don't think it is. Drafting for the future is one thing; positioning players with the intent to increase the likelihood of losing is another.

[rmadachik]

I hope this isn't true. Knowing Garry for some time in the CKL, I don't think it is. Drafting for the future is one thing; positioning players with the intent to increase the likelihood of losing is another.

Yeah, I'm not suggesting that - I just think that's where we are heading

[BigRon]

LIGHTHOUSE POINT BUMS

1902 ROSTER

Eddie Plank P 8 years $15.0 last 08
Bobby Wallace SS 6 years $10.0 last 06
Ed Delahanty LF/1B 3 years $8.0 last 03
Jim Powell P 6 years $7.0 last 06
Sam Mertes- OF/2B 5 years $6.0 last 05
Jimmy Barrett CF 4 years $6.0 last 04
Willie Sudhoff P 3 years $5.0 last 03
Jimmy Callahan P/3B 5 years $4.0 last 05
Bill Coughlin 3B 5 years $4.0 last 05
Hobe Ferris 2B 4 years $3.0 last 04
Ollie Pickering CF 4 years $2.0 last 04
Win Mercer P 2 years $2.0 last 02
Ed McFarland C 4 years $2.0 last 04
Lou Criger C 4 years $1.0 last 04
Frank Isbell 1B/2B/3B 3 years $1.0 last 03
Bones Ely SS 2 years $1.0 last 02
Jim Jackson CF 2 years $.75 last 02
Jack Ryan C 3 years $.5 last 03
Johnny Evers 2B 7 years $2.0 last 08
Bunk Congalton OF $1.0
Wish Egan $0.5
Cy Vorhees $0.25
Pete LePine $0.25
Bill Popp $0.25
Oscar Streit $0.25
Len Swormstedt $0.25
Jack Katoll $7.0
Ed Kenna $0.25
FA02 Doc Hazleton $0.25
FA02 Dike Varney $0.25

30 players $90.75 million

Lineup vs Righties:
1. J. Barrett, CF
2. O. Pickering, RF
3. B. Wallace, SS
4. E. Delahanty, DH
5. S. Mertes, LF
6. B. Coughlin, 3B
7. F. Isbel, 1B
8. H. Ferris, 2B
9. L. Criger, C

Lineup vs Lefties:
1. J. Barrett, CF
2. O. Pickering, RF
3. B. Wallace, SS
4. E. Delahanty, 1B
5. S. Mertes, RF
6. B. Coughlin, 3B
7. F. Isbel, DH
8. H. Ferris, 2B
9. E. McFarland, C

Pitching

Starting Rotation- 4 man, strict

SP1. E. Plank
SP2. W. Mercer
SP3. J. Powell
SP4. W. Sudhoff

Relief

Long Relief 1 C. Vorhees
Long Relief 2 O. Streit

Setup vs L N. Callahan

Setup vs R N. Callahan

Mopup E. Kenna

Closer J. Katoll

Bench

C vs RHP L. Criger
C vs LHP E. McFarland
1B D. Hazleton
2B J. Evers
SS B. Ely
3B B. Ely
LF P. LePine
CF J. Jackson
RF B. Congalton

Strategy
Bunt For Hit: 3
Sacrifice Bunt: 3
Squeeze Bunt: 3
Hit and Run: 3
Stealing: 3
Running: 3
Taking Pitches: 3
PH For non Pitchers: 3
PH For Platoon Partner: 3
PH In Blowouts: 3
Pitching Around: 3
Intentional Walk: 3
Pickoffs: 3
Pitching Out: 3
Using Relievers: 3
Using Closers: 3
Holding Runners: 3
Infield In: 3
Guard Lines: 3

[Sockeye]

You have Addie Joss pitching mop-up? I'm sure you must have some sort of master plan, but for the life of me I can't figure out what it is...

Addie Joss in the mopup role speaks to the strength of our pitching than anything else.

Rube Waddell: 2.05 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 178 ERA+
Bill Bernhard: 2.15 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 160 ERA+
Joe McGinnity: 2.84 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 117 ERA+
Bill Dinneen: 2.93 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 121 ERA+
Ed Poole: 2.10 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 142 ERA+
Rube Kisinger: 3.12 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 120 ERA+
Addie Joss: 2.77 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 124 ERA+

Waddell and Bernhard are a clear #1-2. A case could be made for Joss being the #3 starter ahead of McGinnity or Dinneen, however the numbers are similar and both have over 350+ more BF than Joss so I elected to use them as starters and work Joss from the bullpen at least to start the season.

As for his role in the bullpen, I felt that Joss could get more innings in the mopup role than in the long relief role. If he pitches well and/or either McGinnity or Dinneen struggle early on we'll likely make a switch. Ed Poole could also be in the mix for a starting spot if he pitches well in the closers role. He has less BF though so we likely won't consider using him as a starter until at least june.

7 quality pitchers makes for some tough decisions, still it is a nice problem to have!

[Wade8813]

Laquey Sharks

Scoops Carey		02		16 million
Cy Young		01-08		15 million
Warren McLaughlin	02		14 million
Fielder Jones		01-08		10 million 
Freddy Parent		01-06		8 million 
Ginger Beaumont		01-06		7 million
Wid Conroy		01-06		6 million
Togie Pittinger		01-05		5 million
Emmet Hendrick		01-04		4 million
Jim Hughes		01-02		2 million
Kitty Bransfield	01-02		2 million
Otto Krueger		01-03		2 million
Harry Bemis		02+		2 million (Rookie signing)
Charlie Irwin		01-02		1 million
Frank Morrissey		01-02		1 million
Art Nichols		01-02		750k
Gus Dorner		02		750k (Rookie signing)
Jimmy Mathison		02+		500k (Rookie signing)
Wiley Dunham		02		250k
Peaches Graham		02		250k
George Prentiss		02		250k
Otto Williams		02		250k 
Fred Brown		02		250k
Sammy Curran		02		250k
Fred Klobedanz		02		250k
Jack Thoney		02+		250k (Rookie signing)
Harry Kane		02-05		250k
Rudy Kling		02		250k
Farmer Steelman		02		250k
Jimmy McAleer		02		250k
Bob Dresser		02		250k
					       = 98 million

30 players for $98 million

[Erik Bedard]

POSITION	SIGNED	EXPIRES	SALARY
			$100,000,000
CATCHER			
Roger Bresnahan	1901	1908	$15,000,000
Jack Slattery	1901	1903	250000
Jack O'Neill	1902	1908	250000
FIRST BASE			
Buck Freeman	1901	1904	$7,000,000
Charlie Hickman	1901	1906	8000000
SECOND BASE			
Danny Murphy	1901	1905	3000000
Tom Daly	1901	1903	2000000
Jack Dunn	1901	1903	750000
THIRD BASE			
Gene DeMontreville	1901	1902	1000000
Jim Delahanty	1901	1904	$1,000,000
Otto Krueger	1901	1903	2000000
SHORTSTOP			
George Magoon	1901	1903	2000000
Heinie Wagner	1902	1908	500000
Joe Bean	1902	1902	500000
LEFT FIELD			
Topsy Hartsel	1901	1908	10000000
			
CENTER FIELD			
Chick Stahl	1901	1905	$5,000,000
RIGHT FIELD			
Jesse Burkett	1901	1905	$8,000,000
Dusty Miller	1902	1902	8000000
			
STARTERS			
Al Orth	1901	1906	6000000
Frank Owen	1901	1905	$4,000,000
Jack Harper	1901	1904	2000000
Doc Newton	1901	1902	2000000
RELIEVERS			
Fred Glade	1902	1908	2000000
Libe Washburn	1902	1903	500000
Ike Butler	1902	1902	500000
Bill Carrick	1902	1902	1250000
Joe Yeager	1902	1903	6500000
Doc Adkins	1902	1902	250000
Harvey Cushman	1902	1902	250000
Ernie Ross	1902	1902	250000
Dave Williams	1902	1902	250000

LINEUP

LF Hartsel (Miller)
CF Stahl (Miller)
1B Hickman
DH Freeman (Magoon)
RF Burkett (Miller)
C Bresnahan (O'Neill 15%)
2B Murphy (Magoon 35%, Daly)
3B Krueger (Dunn)
SS DeMontreville (Dunn)

PITCHING

SP1 Newton
SP2 Orth
SP3 Harper
SP4 Carrick

SU: Yeager
CL: Yeager

[Windy City Fan]

One note, the Barons will be using Watty Lee as a pitcher, not an OFer.

Roster
SP Noodles Hahn (FA 01 to 04, 15.0 Million)
SP Jack Taylor (FA 01 to 06, 7.0 Million)
SP Frank Kitson (FA 01 to 03, 3.0 Million)
SP Watty Lee (FA 01 to03, 2.0 Million)
P Carl Lundgren (02 Draft, 2.5 Million)
RP Jim St. Vrain (02 Draft, 1.0 Million)
C Johnny Kling (FA 01 to 06, 6.0 Million)
1B Fred Tenney (FA 01 to 03, 5.0 Million)
2B Heinie Peitz (FA 01 to 03, 4.0 Million)
SS George Davis (FA 01 to 06, 10.0 Million)
3B Tommy Leach (FA 01 to 03, 8.0 Million)
LF John Dobbs (FA 01 to 02, 2.0 Million)
OF Joe Kelley (FA 01 to 04, 7.0 Million)
IF Hughie Jennings (FA 01 to 02, 1.0 Million)
IF Heinie Smith (FA 01 to 03, 500K)
OF Davy Jones (FA 01 to 04, 2.0 Million)
OF Billy Lush (FA 01 to 04, 2.0 Million)
IF Larry Schafly (02 Draft, 500K)
IF Sport McAllister (FA 02 to 03, 3.75 Million)
OF Jack Hendrick (FA 02, 1.5 Million)
1B Billy Mellor (FA 02, 5.0 Million)
C Tacks Latimer (FA 02, 250K)
2B John O’Connell (FA 02, 250K)
1B Dad Clark (FA 02, 250K)
OF Jim Murray (FA 02, 250K)
P John Burke (FA 02, 250K)
P Tad Quinn (FA 02, 250K)
P Ed Fischer (FA 02, 250K)
P Pep Deininger (FA 02, 250K)
P Frank Forman (FA 02, 250K)

Lineup vs RH and LH
1B Tenney (Jennings)
SS Davis (Jennings)
CF Kelley (Dobbs)
3B Leach (Smith)
DH Jones (Jennings)
2B Peitz (Jennings)
C Kling (Peitz)
RF Lush (Hendricks)
LF Dobbs (Lush)

SP
Taylor
Hahn
Kitson
Lundgren (skip)

Closer and Setup: St. Vrain
Long and Mopup: Lee


Strategy
Bunt For Hit: Normal
Sacrifice Bunt: Less
Squeeze Bunt: Less
Hit and Run: Less
Stealing: Least (Davis More)
Running: Normal
Taking Pitches: Normal
PH For non Pitchers: Normal
PH For Platoon Partner: Normal
PH In Blowouts: Normal
Pitching Around: Normal
Intentional Walk: Normal
Pickoffs: Normal
Pitching Out: Normal
Using Relievers: Less
Using Closers: More
Holding Runners: Normal
Infield In: Normal
Guard Lines: Normal

[Sockeye]

Opening day is today correct?

[rmadachik]

yup - sure is

[rmadachik]

Play Ball!!!

The 1902 season is undeer way, and Jamestown & New Orleans start things off in grand fashion as both teams post league best 8-2 records. They open the season with 2 game leads over the next best teams. Seattle gets clobbered with the injurry bug right off the bat losing 3 players for a combined 52 days

[rmadachik]

and team stats

[rmadachik]

Big news for New Orleans Fans. As expected the Barons stellar pitching staff made headlines this week, but not from whom they expected. Frank Kitson threw a no-hitter against the Sharks in front of a home crowd. 2 batters reached in the game for Laquey - on an eror in the second and a walk in the 3rd.

[scubadan]

I have a computer manager question. I have Happy Townsend listed in the spot starter slot for all of my starting pitchers. When Chick Fraser went down with an injury, I would have assumed that the CM would have used Townsend to replace him in the starting rotation. Instead it chose to use Jim Gardner who is only listed in the #2 slot as a LH and RH setup reliever. Gardner only gets 33 innings this year before he exceeds his 130% and a bunch got used up in that start. Any thoughts?

By the way, please replace Fraser with Townsend in my starting rotation until further notice.

[leecemark]

--Well that sucks. Last year was one injury after another, but at least they didn't pile up this much. Starting 3B Jimmy Collins and backup John McGraw down for a dozen ovelapping games . My bench is okay, but not really up for going 3 deep anywhere.

[BigRon]

Geez, the Bums lose three one run games to the Express right off the bat! Not a great way to start the season. The battle of Chautauqua Lake is on again!

[rmadachik]

I have a computer manager question. I have Happy Townsend listed in the spot starter slot for all of my starting pitchers. When Chick Fraser went down with an injury, I would have assumed that the CM would have used Townsend to replace him in the starting rotation. Instead it chose to use Jim Gardner who is only listed in the #2 slot as a LH and RH setup reliever. Gardner only gets 33 innings this year before he exceeds his 130% and a bunch got used up in that start. Any thoughts?

By the way, please replace Fraser with Townsend in my starting rotation until further notice.

Townsend threw 57 pitches the day before Fraser was scheduled to pitch so the computer manager went with a guy who had no role set up. You have Townsend as your #1 mopup and long relief pitcher. I would imagine this will happen to you a lot if you keep him in those roles.

[scubadan]

I missed that Townsend had pitched the day before. Thanks.

[Windy City Fan]

Way to go, Big Frank! I'm not shocked my team tossed a no-no, but yeah, Kitson would've been the last starter I would've guessed to do it. BTW, has anyone run some pre-season sims? I was wondering if wondering if the Barons were projecting as well I as I hope they are.

And on that note, the Barons remain in the market for another bat, preferrably an OF.

[Wade8813]

Way to go, Big Frank! I'm not shocked my team tossed a no-no, but yeah, Kitson would've been the last starter I would've guessed to do it. BTW, has anyone run some pre-season sims? I was wondering if wondering if the Barons were projecting as well I as I hope they are.

And on that note, the Barons remain in the market for another bat, preferrably an OF.

I haven't done an analysis of the AL yet, but I definitely expect you to take the top spot in the NL (based on analysis, not sim)

[Sockeye]

Sockeye's Angels trade

1903 4th Round pick (Angels)

to

Kumquats

for

Jim Jones

Jack will confirm.