Im a Mets fan, and i don't see how Dickey has it 'by a mile' over Cueto. If anything, Cueto is a bit better.Originally Posted by RaysFan_98
Im a Mets fan, and i don't see how Dickey has it 'by a mile' over Cueto. If anything, Cueto is a bit better.
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Fair point. Chapman has gotten a lot more press, but Kimbrel's numbers are off the chart, too.
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Dickey picked up a win today with a solid effort. His ERA and WHIP barely moved. Right now, here is how they compare:
Dickey 18-4, 2.64 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 195 k's, 198.0 innings (first in wins, second in ERA, second in WHIP, second in strikeouts, second in innings)
Cuerto 17-7, 2.58 ERA, 1.12 wHIP, 149 k's, 188.2 innings (second in wins, first in ERA, 8th in WHIP, 17th in strikeouts, fourth in innings)
This would be Dickey's to lose using old school stats. It will be interesting to see how much voters look at things like ERA+ and WAR.
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dickey won no. 19 with another very good start.
however we should not forget gio. he just won no.20 today. I would not be surprised if he won it this year.
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Why? Dickey betters him in almost everything except that one win. This should be Dickey's award
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huh?
Gio plays in a hitters park and has allowed 9 HR all year
Dickey plays in a pitchers park and has allowed 21 HR all year
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Oh, I didn't realize HR ratio was THE key stat. Must read up on my saberstats
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you sad Dickey betters him in almost everything except one win
I proved he didnt
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EDIT: Never mind.
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note the key word
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But Dickey does have a better record, ERA, Whip, K/BB, averages 7 IP/start vs. 6 for Gio, has a better ERA+, more complete games and shutouts, strikeouts.
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and he pitches in a pitchers park
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Which is covered still by the ERA+. And does the park really affect K/BB ratio?
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In road games only - Dickey 10-3, 2.81 ERA, 1.12 WHip, Gio 11-4, 3.24 ERA 1.21 WHip
Gio strikes out slightly more per 9 innings (9.6 - 9.3) but Dickey's control is MUCH better. K/BB ratio - Dickey 4.42, Gio 2.2
Last edited by metfan13; 09-23-2012 at 07:02 AM.
A gametime decision
For a bad team. Gio has exotic advantages like run support and good defense behind him that Dickey can only dream about.
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R.A. Dickey wins number 20 today. Hes 20-6 for a team with 72 wins. He leads the league in K's and is just .01 behind Kershaw for the league lead in ERA.
Hes probably my pick for the Cy Young.
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There are a couple guys close,and it is close enough that the last start for these guys can alter the numbers, but right now I can't see an argument for another starter over him. Kimbrel has been getting press and having a great year, but dickey has almost 4 times the innings. I think he's the choice
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I'm a Mets fan and would love to see Dickey win, but I think Kershaw is probably having the better season.
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Gio pulled from tonight's start so that the Nat's can rework their rotation for the postseason.
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A gametime decision
And Dickey goes for win #21 tonight. Oh, that's right, pitchers don't win games, teams do. Never mind.
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When it comes to voting, sometimes the last impression is a important as the first. If either Dickey or Kershaw (tomorrow) pitches a gem, that could be a separating factor. It'd also be interesting to see how many (if any, of course) voters won't go for Dickey simply because they view his knuckler as a gimmick.
"Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers
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That very thing cost Phil Niekro a few votes, I'm sure. He denied Tom Seaver a unanimous vote in 1969 (their overall stats were pretty close), and it was hard to compete with a top Dodgers staff in 1974 (Marshall, Messersmith and Sutton all finished in the top four).
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Thats the very thing that has had me worried that Dickey may not get the Cy Young this year. Its sad. In my logic, the fact that he throws a knuckle ball and has been this successful should only increase his votes. Not many people throw a knuckleball, and the ones that do typically still dont have much success with it. Dickey, however, has been successful using it. But thats just me.
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