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Thread: Bonds vs. Williams

  1. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    but Williams only had 7 opponents with 22 games vs each

    you missed the point

    Bonds played in a 12 14 or 16 team league with interleague play

    he wasn't playing 44 games a year vs the Browns and A's, 2 of the worst franchises and periods for a franchise in history

    and the stats speak for themselves
    I made a vow at least a year ago to never again "correspond" with Roy in threads like this. So, this is just a general comment to all the participants- I definitely didn't miss the point. I pointed out that Williams, like just about every hitter in history, generally had bigger numbers against the lesser teams. But, even his "lesser" stats were still exceptional. That's a fact- the stats speak for themselves.

  2. #252
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRon View Post
    I made a vow at least a year ago to never again "correspond" with Roy in threads like this.
    A good policy, one which I try to follow.
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  3. #253
    My post was NOT meant to be condescending and I apologize if you took it that way

    However, it is easy to say all hitters hit better vs bad teams and all eras had bad teams and just dismiss the point without actually discussing the merits of ot, that is just as bad IMO

    and it is also WORSE to say "I made a policy never to corrrespond with member XYZ again" simply bating and inflammatory
    touche

    I guess I should have wrote, I don't mean to offend you, but possibly perhaps maybe there is a chance you might have missed what I was trying to say"

    would that satisfy you>??

    sheesh

    I would still reply the Philly A's under an old octonegarian Connie Mack and then the KC A's (who were more of a minor league team for the Yankees than anything else) were a very very poor ml franchise and one of the worst in history. You couple that with the inept st Louis Browns (look at Boston vs St Louis B 1950) were another all time bad team and in an 8 team league that becomes much more galring. I stand by the premise that Williams built up his record playing full games (in 29-4 routs) of very poor teams and the Red Sox as a team and Williams in particular could have made more of a legend of themselves if they had played better in key pennant races games which they CERTAINLY did not

    the 1950 Red Sox are revered for being the last team to hit .300 as a team (and they played .610 ball) too bad they had LOSING records vs each of the 3 other winning teams in the league but demolished the weaker teams


    that is why rate stats and contrived formulas like war are so bad - they fool people


    Quote Originally Posted by BigRon View Post
    I made a vow at least a year ago to never again "correspond" with Roy in threads like this. So, this is just a general comment to all the participants- I definitely didn't miss the point. I pointed out that Williams, like just about every hitter in history, generally had bigger numbers against the lesser teams. But, even his "lesser" stats were still exceptional. That's a fact- the stats speak for themselves.
    Last edited by 9RoyHobbsRF; 01-25-2013 at 03:43 PM.
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  4. #254
    amazing in't it that 1951 was the ONLY season from 1950-1960 that Williams played a "full" season

    and the splits are scary bad

    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    I gave you 19 seasons worth of data and you ask me to explain one outlier?
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  5. #255
    and for the UMPTEENTH time,, I realize my "rankings" (hate that term - I guess I would say preferences) are not conventional and I do not disprepect others who have more conventional "rankings"

    examples

    don't think much of Ted Williams
    or Rogers Hornsby
    I think Marichal is hands down better than Gibson
    I think Casey Stengel, on the whole is way over rated

    I rate DiMaggio higher than most others

    etc etc

    but what happens is others just try to jam conventional thinking and look at rate stats or career stats and apply things like WAR to make their points and I just don't buy it

    does that make me a lesser baseball fan than you?
    1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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    Roy-seems you have a thing vs Teddy Ballgame. Myself I know the age old Dimag vs Teddy vs Musial vs Mays vs Hank vs Clemente debates are all the rage and really don't have answers-but none of them is anything less than an alltimer.

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