Joey Butler interview clip from 2011. I've noticed he hits balls to right field in the clip.
Joey Butler interview clip from 2011. I've noticed he hits balls to right field in the clip.
The Mets have the best, smartest fans in baseball.
OH GOD NO...NOT AGAIN...!!! :O
How's everyone recuperated from Sandy, by the way?
"Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
Some updates on former Mets:
Willie Collazo, who I didn't even know was still playing just signed with the Blue Jays. Nick Evans, who was in the Pirates organization last year, signed with the Dodgers. Jose Reyes, obviously, is with the Blue Jays now too.
This article pretty much sums up the "reality" of the state of the Mets. The author dares to say stay with the plan also. As usual its not sexy but it is "reality".
The writer is also correct that in signing Wright/Dickey it would create a lot of enthusiasm, but to what end? Personally as time goes I am more and more of the mind set that they both should be traded. I really like both of them, but if we lock them up for the long term what else can they afford to do in the mean time? Nothing. So now we just have the 2012 season all over again. Maybe worse.
Now let add my disclaimer: I believe that Wilpon can turn this around this off season if he wished. If winning was his priority he could make 7-8 moves that make this team decent......but he wont. Therefore my first two paragraphs stand.
"Now let add my disclaimer: I believe that Wilpon can turn this around this off season if he wished. If winning was his priority he could make 7-8 moves that make this team decent......but he wont. Therefore my first two paragraphs stand"
Are the Wilpons rich men? Yes. Could they increase the Mets payroll to 150 mil and still own there beautiful houses and eat at the finest restaurants? Definately. Would doing this be in the best long term interest of the team or following the plan to develop quality minor league talent, develop it, use some to trade, keep some and supplement with free agents when the team is close to competing? I have to say no. We have all watched teams, including the Mets, think they had the World Series won in December only to find out by the following September that some of the guys they had signed are not good fits for there team and are now going to be overpaid for the next few years and stunt the growth of the team. Believe me, I too get frustrated when I hear teams discussing free agent catchers and hear that there are a lot of CFs available but how many of those signings actually work out for teams? Napoli wants 4 years, Bourne wants Jason Bay money. I know they are much better than what the Mets currently have but in simple terms are they good signings? I am also tired of going to games or following blogs and hearing the same fans who applauded many of these crazy signings in December booing the same players for the next 4 years because they are way overpaid and cannot perform to the level of there contracts. I know I am in the minority but I do feel that 90 to 100 mil spent wisely will give you a chance every year and it is easier to root for a team like that. The Mets will have a 90-100 mil payroll next year but Santana and Bay will be making almost 1/2 of it. Those 2 players made the Mets World Series champs in December years ago and now are helping to keep them in 4th place next year. I do not want to throw away 2013 but I do see how it looks like that is what the team is doing. Lets see what happens at the winter meetings before we storm the gates at flushing!!
This is what they do, this is what they always have done. Unless of course they were spending stolen money then they let Omar run amuck.
Well someone took a shot at Vlad...I would say it worked out pretty good.
The Wilpons flat out own 65% of their regional sports network. The Steinbrenners, as I recall, only own 70% of the Yankees. With Goldman Sachs and other partners splitting equity they own a considerably lesser percentage of the YES network. It's likely the Wilpons make more money from the Mets/T.V. than the Steinbrenners do from the Yankees. The Wilpons still plead poverty while stuffing a fortune in their pockets.
They've set spending parameters for the draft and free agents that make it impossible to field a solid contender. It never fails to astound me that fans still exist who've brainwashed themselves into defending, even praising every cheap, horrible move the Mets make. Signing A-Rod was the best move the Mets never made? He was 72.6 Wins Above Replacement over the life of that original ten year contract. At $4 million per WAR he was worth $290,400,000. He was a bargain even at what the Rangers signed him for. At 20.9 WAR over the life of his contract with the Angels, Vlad earned his money, too. Meanwhile the Mets had Richard Hidalgo, Victor Diaz, Xavier Nady, Shawn Green, Lastings Milledge, and Jeff Francoeur in right field. Guerrero would likely have made the difference in 2007 and 2008.
You engage in self-deception in order to keep giving this organization your money. You justify every unjustifiable move or non-move. The Wilpons return the favor by treating their paying supporters like marks. Wake up and smell the coffee.
You want to hear "moves they can make this offseason that will make them better while still being semi-fiscally responsible?" By the definition the Wilpons have set and you accept there really are none. They have little coming from the minors and refuse to increase payroll. I fully expect them to stick the $15 million they saved on Bay this year into their pockets. Trying to figure out which marginal players are marginally better than the current marginal players isn't a fun way to pass the time.
Last edited by Mongoose; 11-25-2012 at 06:58 PM.
"The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!
Its amazing how some Met fans (or fans in general) fall for the propaganda fed to them. I remember when ARod was a FA and Steve Phillips went public with Boras' contract demands in an effort to turn the Mets off to ARod and Boras. In many cases it worked. ARod publicly said he would like to come to NY..meaning the Mets, but Wilpon never made an offer. Now I am not saying you offer him 250m, but you offer him 17m a year and see what happens. The Mets took the low road - of course- they started a smear campaign in order not to offer him anything and save face with their fans.
One day fans will see that the Wilpons having winning somewhere on the back page on their priority list.
The Mets re-signed Tim Byrdak.
Last edited by Cowtipper; 11-26-2012 at 03:05 PM.
P.S. Let's try to keep the topic, folks. Several recent posts have been moved to the Citi Field Concessions thread in the Ballparks forum.
"And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."
Put it in the books.
Jeter took pressure off of ARod...are you asleep. Jeter single handidly made ARods life hell here early on. When the fan and Media were all over ARod...Jeter the CAPTAIN did nothing to take anything off of ARod. It would have taken one interview with a one paragraph for the fans to back off and Jeter did NOTHING.
Jeter showed ARod how to be a pro? Ok now your getting scary. ARod was an all time great, a two time MVP and probalby the best player in the game - at least in the AL. Jeter showed ARod nothing. Jeter couldnt carry ARod's jock back in the day. Lets get real. ARod moved over to 3rd to be a Yankee while being the far superior shortstop. So ARod showed Jeter about being a team player.
Lead a team to championships? You really are a propaganda junkie arent you? You believe Jeter led his teams to championships? The Yankees had superior pitching, a great lineup, and a superior bullpen...thats why the Yankees won championships.
Let me ask you something Mr Jeters agent....if Jeter played his whole career on the Royals...how many championships would the supremely professional, and leader of champions have......times up....ZERO...theres your number. Put Nomar, ARod, Vizquel on the Yankees and they still have 5 since the mid 90's. Maybe more.
Nobody is bashing you for liking the Mets...we all the like them here. We all just have our own angle on how to deal with the worst organization pound for pound in pro sports. Hands down.
You opt to walk around with pom-poms out. I am very much in wait and see mode because I will not be taken anymore.
Last edited by Paulypal; 11-26-2012 at 07:06 PM.
Remember Phillips telling all the propaganda hungry fans about ARod wanting a tent at the ST facility, and wanting a luxury box...etc etc. Those things were nothing new or extraordinary in negotiations, but Phillips under the umbrella of Wilscum went to the press with the details. Very classy move by the way.
The Mets - who Arod I believe was his first choice...never even made an offer of any kind. Yes he got 25 million a year, but maybe the Mets should have offered 17 million a year just to make an offer and see what happens. Do you know why Wilscum didnt? I will tell you why... Wilscum feared that if he made ARod an offer that ARod would have accepted the offer...then what? Then Wilscum would have to pay. He didnt want that.
I mean after all...what major market team needs and can afford a shortstop that hits 40 homers and plays a GG caliber short. Nah....not for us. We needed Rey Ordonez......who needed ARod. Good grief
Long history of pretending to pursue players, then running them down. We saw the most recent case last year. And if Wright decides to seek his fortune (and a ring) elsewhere, we'll hear how he's not such a great guy after all.
Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.
Honestly I hold no ill will, nor was a nerve hit. I just was pointing out the history of Wilscum...even with great players. His interest in winning is next to zero. To believe otherwise is just not very smart.