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    It looks like the Mets offered Dickey 2 years at 10 mil a year. Any thoughts? I do not think Dickey should be overwhelmed by this offer and if he was a free agent this year he would get a lot more money somewhere else. His problem is he still needs to pitch another quality, injury free season to get to free agency. Tough decision for RA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjsallstars View Post
    It looks like the Mets offered Dickey 2 years at 10 mil a year. Any thoughts? I do not think Dickey should be overwhelmed by this offer and if he was a free agent this year he would get a lot more money somewhere else. His problem is he still needs to pitch another quality, injury free season to get to free agency. Tough decision for RA.
    The Mets are not going to overwhelm anyone with an offer. This is the low end of what Dickey is worth at this point.

    With that said I think Dickey will take it. At 38 I am not sure if you chance 20million by playing it out in 2013. If he doesnt take it and plays it out he has same guts to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawman View Post
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    Incredibly, I spotted a young woman this morning at the local coffee place already sporting a "Bixler" - and apparently, he's going to wear No. 24. (Say hey, Bixler!) She graciously allowed me a couple of shots with my cell phone camera. She also told me the line for Bixlers was only 30 minutes at the Citi Field store.
    If Brian Bixler did wear No.24 that would be a story in itself.I thought No.24 was unofficially retired for the Say Hey Kid himself Willie Mays.The only time No.24 was ever worn for the Mets since Mays retired was in chronological order Kelvin
    Torve who wore it for 10 days in 1990 before the Mets realized they gave him that number by mistake and gave him No.39
    instead.And the only other time No.24 was ever worn for the Mets was by Rickey Henderson as a player in 1999 to May 2000 who got cut for not running out a ball that he thought was a home run but wasn't and was playing poorly that year and as a coach in 2007.Henderson was given No.24 by the Mets because he wore No.24 earlier in his career and also because he's Rickey Henderson and he wanted that number.Henderson also wore No.35 earlier in his career but that number was already taken at the time by Rick Reed.But then again if Bixler's jersey is selling like hotcakes then maybe they will make an exception.(lol).
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    ^^ It's a joke, Joe. A computer-manipulated photographic joke.
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    Put it in the books.

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    Today's the last day for rosters before the rule five draft. I think the Mets should try to claim Joey Butler from the Rangers:

    Joey Butler
    RH/RH outfielder, age 26, will turn 27 in March
    Drafted 2008, Rangers organization for five years, eligible for rule five draft

    2012: AAA Round Rock in PCL
    batted .290/.392/.473/.865
    20 home runs, 78 RBI, 79 walks, 128K in 137 games
    125 games in right field, 9 games in center field

    .183 ISO in 2012
    .351 BABIP in 2012
    .382 wOBA in 2012

    He can hit fastballs, spray to opposite field. Decent speed on base paths but blocked at major league level. Had good year but hitting in PCL but has below average plate discipline. Rangers have 34 players on 40 man roster and have depth in outfield with Murphy, Gentry, Cruz and Martin

    Videos:

    Butler's solo jack
    3/16/11: Joey Butler extends the lead with a home run into the right-field stands
    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13217319

    Butler robs Rizzo of a homer
    6/21/12: Round Rock's Joey Butler takes a home run away from Anthony Rizzo in the Express' 6-2 win over the Iowa Cubs
    http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.j...nt_id=22482465
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    Joey Butler interview clip from 2011. I've noticed he hits balls to right field in the clip.

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    The Mets signed Jamie Hoffmann to a minor league contract.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...offmja01.shtml

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    I don't think we have to worry too much about the Mets' recent signings:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-carlos-torres

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    OH GOD NO...NOT AGAIN...!!! :O

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    Some updates on former Mets:

    Willie Collazo, who I didn't even know was still playing just signed with the Blue Jays. Nick Evans, who was in the Pirates organization last year, signed with the Dodgers. Jose Reyes, obviously, is with the Blue Jays now too.

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    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/...JH7R5DChgyMI/1


    This article pretty much sums up the "reality" of the state of the Mets. The author dares to say stay with the plan also. As usual its not sexy but it is "reality".

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjsallstars View Post
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/...JH7R5DChgyMI/1


    This article pretty much sums up the "reality" of the state of the Mets. The author dares to say stay with the plan also. As usual its not sexy but it is "reality".
    The writer seems to have put a lot of the decisions in Alderson's basket. Now although I agree with his assessment of Alderson's 4 moves he fails to touch on the real issue at hand, which is ownership. By the way if Reyes stays healthy in 2011 I believe there would have been a much better chance of him being traded. Which was the correct route to go because there was no way on this earth that Reyes was going to be a Met in 2012.

    The writer is also correct that in signing Wright/Dickey it would create a lot of enthusiasm, but to what end? Personally as time goes I am more and more of the mind set that they both should be traded. I really like both of them, but if we lock them up for the long term what else can they afford to do in the mean time? Nothing. So now we just have the 2012 season all over again. Maybe worse.

    Now let add my disclaimer: I believe that Wilpon can turn this around this off season if he wished. If winning was his priority he could make 7-8 moves that make this team decent......but he wont. Therefore my first two paragraphs stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulypal View Post
    The writer seems to have put a lot of the decisions in Alderson's basket. Now although I agree with his assessment of Alderson's 4 moves he fails to touch on the real issue at hand, which is ownership. By the way if Reyes stays healthy in 2011 I believe there would have been a much better chance of him being traded. Which was the correct route to go because there was no way on this earth that Reyes was going to be a Met in 2012.

    The writer is also correct that in signing Wright/Dickey it would create a lot of enthusiasm, but to what end? Personally as time goes I am more and more of the mind set that they both should be traded. I really like both of them, but if we lock them up for the long term what else can they afford to do in the mean time? Nothing. So now we just have the 2012 season all over again. Maybe worse.

    Now let add my disclaimer: I believe that Wilpon can turn this around this off season if he wished. If winning was his priority he could make 7-8 moves that make this team decent......but he wont. Therefore my first two paragraphs stand.

    "Now let add my disclaimer: I believe that Wilpon can turn this around this off season if he wished. If winning was his priority he could make 7-8 moves that make this team decent......but he wont. Therefore my first two paragraphs stand"

    Are the Wilpons rich men? Yes. Could they increase the Mets payroll to 150 mil and still own there beautiful houses and eat at the finest restaurants? Definately. Would doing this be in the best long term interest of the team or following the plan to develop quality minor league talent, develop it, use some to trade, keep some and supplement with free agents when the team is close to competing? I have to say no. We have all watched teams, including the Mets, think they had the World Series won in December only to find out by the following September that some of the guys they had signed are not good fits for there team and are now going to be overpaid for the next few years and stunt the growth of the team. Believe me, I too get frustrated when I hear teams discussing free agent catchers and hear that there are a lot of CFs available but how many of those signings actually work out for teams? Napoli wants 4 years, Bourne wants Jason Bay money. I know they are much better than what the Mets currently have but in simple terms are they good signings? I am also tired of going to games or following blogs and hearing the same fans who applauded many of these crazy signings in December booing the same players for the next 4 years because they are way overpaid and cannot perform to the level of there contracts. I know I am in the minority but I do feel that 90 to 100 mil spent wisely will give you a chance every year and it is easier to root for a team like that. The Mets will have a 90-100 mil payroll next year but Santana and Bay will be making almost 1/2 of it. Those 2 players made the Mets World Series champs in December years ago and now are helping to keep them in 4th place next year. I do not want to throw away 2013 but I do see how it looks like that is what the team is doing. Lets see what happens at the winter meetings before we storm the gates at flushing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjsallstars View Post
    "Now let add my disclaimer: I believe that Wilpon can turn this around this off season if he wished. If winning was his priority he could make 7-8 moves that make this team decent......but he wont. Therefore my first two paragraphs stand"

    Are the Wilpons rich men? Yes. Could they increase the Mets payroll to 150 mil and still own there beautiful houses and eat at the finest restaurants? Definately. Would doing this be in the best long term interest of the team or following the plan to develop quality minor league talent, develop it, use some to trade, keep some and supplement with free agents when the team is close to competing? I have to say no. We have all watched teams, including the Mets, think they had the World Series won in December only to find out by the following September that some of the guys they had signed are not good fits for there team and are now going to be overpaid for the next few years and stunt the growth of the team. Believe me, I too get frustrated when I hear teams discussing free agent catchers and hear that there are a lot of CFs available but how many of those signings actually work out for teams? Napoli wants 4 years, Bourne wants Jason Bay money. I know they are much better than what the Mets currently have but in simple terms are they good signings? I am also tired of going to games or following blogs and hearing the same fans who applauded many of these crazy signings in December booing the same players for the next 4 years because they are way overpaid and cannot perform to the level of there contracts. I know I am in the minority but I do feel that 90 to 100 mil spent wisely will give you a chance every year and it is easier to root for a team like that. The Mets will have a 90-100 mil payroll next year but Santana and Bay will be making almost 1/2 of it. Those 2 players made the Mets World Series champs in December years ago and now are helping to keep them in 4th place next year. I do not want to throw away 2013 but I do see how it looks like that is what the team is doing. Lets see what happens at the winter meetings before we storm the gates at flushing!!
    True not every signing is good but under the Wilpon Era I dont need to look at anymore than two players that they shunned from even attempting to sign - a 25 year old ARod (who the Mets ran a phoney campaign against and would have signed for less than the money Texas gave him), and Vlad who was "washed up" and not worth the 10m a year.....only had 6-7 more great seasons left.

    This is what they do, this is what they always have done. Unless of course they were spending stolen money then they let Omar run amuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulypal View Post
    True not every signing is good but under the Wilpon Era I dont need to look at anymore than two players that they shunned from even attempting to sign - a 25 year old ARod (who the Mets ran a phoney campaign against and would have signed for less than the money Texas gave him), and Vlad who was "washed up" and not worth the 10m a year.....only had 6-7 more great seasons left.

    This is what they do, this is what they always have done. Unless of course they were spending stolen money then they let Omar run amuck.
    Arod with the Mets would have been a disaster. The Rangers were very lucky to get out of that ridiculous contract and it will be interesting to see how the yanks will dump him. No one else was willing to take a chance on Vlad. Maybe there cheapness helped them by not signing Manny and Zito, they could have overpaid for them also. I do think the only way they have a chance without the Madoff money and continued low attendance is to follow the dreaded plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjsallstars View Post
    Arod with the Mets would have been a disaster. The Rangers were very lucky to get out of that ridiculous contract and it will be interesting to see how the yanks will dump him. No one else was willing to take a chance on Vlad. Maybe there cheapness helped them by not signing Manny and Zito, they could have overpaid for them also. I do think the only way they have a chance without the Madoff money and continued low attendance is to follow the dreaded plan.
    Disaster??? Please don't confuse Arod's 2nd contract with his first. At the time he signed his first he was THEE best player in the game, and I believe the Mets would have acquired him for much less than Texas did as Texas was bidding against no one. Arod being a Met at that time would have been a great pickup.

    Well someone took a shot at Vlad...I would say it worked out pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulypal View Post
    Disaster??? Please don't confuse Arod's 2nd contract with his first. At the time he signed his first he was THEE best player in the game, and I believe the Mets would have acquired him for much less than Texas did as Texas was bidding against no one. Arod being a Met at that time would have been a great pickup.

    Well someone took a shot at Vlad...I would say it worked out pretty good.
    In my opinion, Arod was the best thing that never happened to the Mets. The Rangers were finished after they signed him and the Yankees are lucky to have Jeter to keep him in line. Anyway, I would like to hear what you have in mind as far as moves they can make this offseason that will make them better while still being semi-fiscally responsible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjsallstars View Post
    Yankees are lucky to have Jeter to keep him in line.
    Really?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjsallstars View Post
    In my opinion, Arod was the best thing that never happened to the Mets. The Rangers were finished after they signed him and the Yankees are lucky to have Jeter to keep him in line. Anyway, I would like to hear what you have in mind as far as moves they can make this offseason that will make them better while still being semi-fiscally responsible?
    The Mets, in the years around 2006, with their own regional sports network, drawing around 4 million a year had to be making a mint. The Wilpons should have an enormous surplus from these years to work with. I did a rough calculation of the Mets/SNY's revenue in the Ownership/Management thread. With a small market payroll the team/T.V. rights must still be wildly profitable.

    The Wilpons flat out own 65% of their regional sports network. The Steinbrenners, as I recall, only own 70% of the Yankees. With Goldman Sachs and other partners splitting equity they own a considerably lesser percentage of the YES network. It's likely the Wilpons make more money from the Mets/T.V. than the Steinbrenners do from the Yankees. The Wilpons still plead poverty while stuffing a fortune in their pockets.

    They've set spending parameters for the draft and free agents that make it impossible to field a solid contender. It never fails to astound me that fans still exist who've brainwashed themselves into defending, even praising every cheap, horrible move the Mets make. Signing A-Rod was the best move the Mets never made? He was 72.6 Wins Above Replacement over the life of that original ten year contract. At $4 million per WAR he was worth $290,400,000. He was a bargain even at what the Rangers signed him for. At 20.9 WAR over the life of his contract with the Angels, Vlad earned his money, too. Meanwhile the Mets had Richard Hidalgo, Victor Diaz, Xavier Nady, Shawn Green, Lastings Milledge, and Jeff Francoeur in right field. Guerrero would likely have made the difference in 2007 and 2008.

    You engage in self-deception in order to keep giving this organization your money. You justify every unjustifiable move or non-move. The Wilpons return the favor by treating their paying supporters like marks. Wake up and smell the coffee.

    You want to hear "moves they can make this offseason that will make them better while still being semi-fiscally responsible?" By the definition the Wilpons have set and you accept there really are none. They have little coming from the minors and refuse to increase payroll. I fully expect them to stick the $15 million they saved on Bay this year into their pockets. Trying to figure out which marginal players are marginally better than the current marginal players isn't a fun way to pass the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose View Post
    The Mets, in the years around 2006, with their own regional sports network, drawing around 4 million a year had to be making a mint. The Wilpons should have an enormous surplus from these years to work with. I did a rough calculation of the Mets/SNY's revenue in the Ownership/Management thread. With a small market payroll the team/T.V. rights must still be wildly profitable.

    The Wilpons flat out own 65% of their regional sports network. The Steinbrenners, as I recall, only own 70% of the Yankees. With Goldman Sachs and other partners splitting equity they own a considerably lesser percentage of the YES network. It's likely the Wilpons make more money from the Mets/T.V. than the Steinbrenners do from the Yankees. The Wilpons still plead poverty while stuffing a fortune in their pockets.

    They've set spending parameters for the draft and free agents that make it impossible to field a solid contender. It never fails to astound me that fans still exist who've brainwashed themselves into defending, even praising every cheap, horrible move the Mets make. Signing A-Rod was the best move the Mets never made? He was 72.6 Wins Above Replacement over the life of that original ten year contract. At $4 million per WAR he was worth $290,400,000. He was a bargain even at what the Rangers signed him for. At 20.9 WAR over the life of his contract with the Angels, Vlad earned his money, too. Meanwhile the Mets had Richard Hidalgo, Victor Diaz, Xavier Nady, Shawn Green, Lastings Milledge, and Jeff Francoeur in right field. Guerrero would likely have made the difference in 2007 and 2008.

    You engage in self-deception in order to keep giving this organization your money. You justify every unjustifiable move or non-move. The Wilpons return the favor by treating their paying supporters like marks. Wake up and smell the coffee.

    You want to hear "moves they can make this offseason that will make them better while still being semi-fiscally responsible?" By the definition the Wilpons have set and you accept there really are none. They have little coming from the minors and refuse to increase payroll. I fully expect them to stick the $15 million they saved on Bay this year into their pockets. Trying to figure out which marginal players are marginally better than the current marginal players isn't a fun way to pass the time.
    When I hear the term "fiscally responsible" I think of it as an anti-Yankee term, and or an excuse from a team that is not going to spend money.

    Its amazing how some Met fans (or fans in general) fall for the propaganda fed to them. I remember when ARod was a FA and Steve Phillips went public with Boras' contract demands in an effort to turn the Mets off to ARod and Boras. In many cases it worked. ARod publicly said he would like to come to NY..meaning the Mets, but Wilpon never made an offer. Now I am not saying you offer him 250m, but you offer him 17m a year and see what happens. The Mets took the low road - of course- they started a smear campaign in order not to offer him anything and save face with their fans.

    One day fans will see that the Wilpons having winning somewhere on the back page on their priority list.

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