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  1. #21
    Here's some News:
    18 minor leaguers released.

    RHP: Scott Elarton (AAA), Jesus Morales (R), Drew Naylor (A), Matt Wright (AAA); LHP: Tom Cochran (AAA), Pat Misch (AAA), David Purcey (AAA); C: Jake Fox (AA), John Suomi (AAA); 2B: Harold Garcia (AA), Tug Hulett (AA), Jake Opitz (AAA); SS: Miguel Abreu (AAA); OF: Kyle Hoppy (SS), Kyle Hudson (AAA), D'Arby Myers (AA), Mike Spidale (AAA), Brandon Tripp (AA).

    Too bad that Garcia suffered recurring injuries in 2011 & 2012. He once had the potential to be one of the organization's finest hitters and base stealers.
    I'd say besides Garcia, if he ever gets healthy, that Cochran, Suomi, Hulett, Abreu, and Hudson will probably surface with other organizations in the high minors with a chance of getting to "The show" someday.

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    I'd have to assume that the play of Cesar Hernandez this year sealed the fate of Harold Garcia. Is it me, or does it seem like D'Arby Myers has been in this system for over a decade?
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    Hearing now the Phils are interested in Cody Ross. Please no. Not at the .760 or so OPS he's put up over his past three seasons while wanted $22-$25M over three years. Last offseason was the time to get him - not now. Could have done three years at half the price.
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    Buster Olney‏@Buster_ESPN

    The Phillies are OK with the high annual salary that Josh Hamilton might command, but they have concerns about the length of the deal.


    Pass. Too many years. Too much money. Too much baggage. Too left-handed. Makes no sense here as Charlie's head will explode trying to balance out the batting order each day.

    Get a RH power hitter that can play 3B or OF and call it a day. Add in some spare parts for depth if the tax creeps too close to the limit.
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    Apparently, the Rangers made a push to acquire Justin Upton from Arizona this weekend. From what I read, they offered Mike Olt (a name mentioned often in this town up to the trade deadline) to the Braves for Andrelton Simmons - and then flip Simmons to the Diamondbacks. It seems that Texas is highly reluctant to move either Elvis Andrus or Jurickson Profar in a deal.
    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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    Can Lance Berkman possibly be a Phillies target for a one-year deal. Can he still play outfield and how well has he recovered from injuries that limited him to only about 30 games in 2012.
    Is it GM Ruben Amaro Jr.'s grand scheme to acquire both Upton brothers. - BJ for Centerfield this offseason via Free Agancy and to trade for Justin to fill a corner outfield spot in the near future (probably before the start of the 2014 season). The Phils are probably one of the only teams that could pay the Upton Brothers' salaries simultaneously and still meet the rest of the team's payroll..

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    Diamondbacks want a legitimate MLB-ready SS for Upton. Unfortunately, the Phillies don't have anything that resembles that. I think the only way the Phils could swing something is to get a 3rd team involved and even they'd have to match up.

    As for Berkman, he was a nice story in 2011. But his knees are torn up and since he was hired by Rice University, he'll need to be bowled over by an offer. Personally, I think an AL team would be willing to pay a bit more if only because of the DH option.

    Not too long ago, Lance mentioned that he'd want to get paid as an everyday 3-hole hitter. I'm assuming that means $ in the area of what he made last year ($12M) but he may want a 2nd year attached as well. As much as I like his switch-hitting ability, I'm not into giving years to another aging player.
    Last edited by Ben Grimm; 11-20-2012 at 12:10 PM.
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    From what I understand, Lance Berkman is a non-paid Volunteer Assistant coach at Rice University, so it won't take much of an offer for him o delay the start of his college coaching career (if that is what his post-playing days objective is).
    If he is statistically oriented in the least, Berkman will want to play two more years, until age 38, in order to reach the 2,000 games, 2,000 hits, and 400 home runs milestones.
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    The Phillies added four players to their 40 man roster (currently at 38) since today was the deadline to submit a 40 man (or close to it) roster for 2013. The roster currently doesn't have to be at exactly 40 because Free agent signings,Trade Acquisitions at the Winter Meetings or even later, and Rule 5 draft picks can add to the roster.

    The Phillies new 40 man roster now has 8 players with no major league experience. In addition to Cesar Hernandez (2B), Sebastian Valle (C), Tyson Gillies (OF) and J.C. Ramirez (P) - holdovers from the 2012 fourty man roster who have not yet played in the major leagues, the four added today to next year's 40 man roster, who have not yet made their major league debuts are:
    Zach Collier (Of),Trevor May (P), Ethan Martin (P) and Jonathan Pettibone (P).

    Of these eight I'd guess that all but Collier might see action with the Phillies at some point in 2013,since these seven have all played at the AAA or AA level in 2012 and all may be ticketed to start next season at AAA-Lehigh Valley. Collier is a first round pick that has been disappointing thus far, but showed enough potential last year at High A Clearwater that the parent club does not want to give up on him at this point.

    Some of their most promising players prospects withonly a few years in the minor leagues do not have to be protected in order for the Phillies to retain control of them such as Cody Asche (3B),Tyler Knigge (P) and Leandro Castro (OF).

    Other players who weren't protected such as Cody Overbeck (1B) and Jiwan James (OF) may now have sufficient time in the minor leagues that they may be vulnerable to the Rule 5 Draft in the first week of December.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
    From what I understand, Lance Berkman is a non-paid Volunteer Assistant coach, so it won't take much of an offer for him o delay the start of his college coaching career (if that is what his post-playing days objective is).
    If he is statistically oriented in the least, Berkman will want to play two more years, until age 38, in order to reach the 2,000 games, 2,000 hits, and 400 home runs milestones.
    Not much of an offer, huh? Here's part of an interview when he was mentioned as possibly returning to the Astros.

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    If Berkman does decide to keep playing in the wake of recurring knee problems, regular playing time and money seem to be Berkman's primary concerns for not just the Astros, but any team looking for his services.

    "It just depends on what kind of money they are talking about," Berkman said. "Am I going to come back for a couple of million bucks, no. If they want to pay me close to what I feel like my value is in terms of what I bring to the table...if they're going to ask me to be there and hit third and play every day and DH every day, I want to be compensated like a guy who is a Major League three-hole hitter."

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...0ugkXqZwgQQ.99
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    Quote Originally Posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
    Of these eight I'd guess that all but Collier might see action with the Phillies at some point in 2013,since these seven have all played at the AAA or AA level in 2012 and all may be ticketed to start next season at AAA-Lehigh Valley. Collier is a first round pick that has been disappointing thus far, but showed enough potential last year at High A Clearwater that the parent club does not want to give up on him at this point.
    What may have saved Collier was his recent stint in the AFL. He showed much better plate discipline (way too many Ks in the minors for his lack of power so far), and put together a slash-line of .371/.461/.532 . He should start out in Clearwater next season with a possible move to Reading if he can use this AFL experience to get his game together.
    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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    Former Phillie, Hector Luna has agreed to a one-year, $450,000 contract with the Chunichi Dragons of Japan's Central League.

    He could hit 30+ homers over there.
    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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    Free agent, Koji Uehara, has been named recently (by Ken Rosenthal IIRC) as a possible target for the Phillies as a set-up man. Even though he's only been in the league for a few seasons, he's soon to be 38 years old. But his "stuff" is pretty good.

    2.89
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    9.8 K/9IP
    231 K
    29 BB

    His K/BB rate is really strong. He was injured last year for a bit, but seems to have been fairly healthy prior to that. Estimated cost looks to be a good bit less than Mike Adams though it may require a 2-year deal to get something done. I'm not a believer in putting too much money into the pen, but we did see this season how hit-n-miss relievers can be - especially inexperienced ones. Ruben stressed last offseason that he wanted more veterans in the pen, and while going cheaper with Qualls hardly worked out, I can see him investing more cash into one this season.
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    Jayson Stark of ESPN.com was told by agents who have spoken with the Phillies that Josh Hamilton is "no longer on their list."

    B.J. Upton or Cody Ross always seemed like more realistic options for the Phils, though general manager Ruben Amaro wouldn't rule out a marquee signing if it's the right fit. "I don't know that yet," he said. "We haven't been given a real budget. I know it's not unlimited, but that's not usually how we work. There are limitations, but each situation is unique, in and of itself. We didn't budget for Cliff Lee. But we signed Cliff Lee. We haven't budgeted for a bunch of things we've done. Each situation is different."

    Stark also reported that the Phillies "batted around the idea" of an extension for Roy Halladay but put an end to the talks after he started having shoulder issues.

    The preliminary talks involved keeping Doc in Philly beyond 2013 when his contract expires and pushing his average annual value up to around $24 million, which is what Cliff Lee is getting paid. General manager Ruben Amaro said they've "kicked it around, but we tabled it," though he wouldn't rule out resuming talks eventually. "I guess it's still possible," said Amaro. "But a lot has to do with how he feels and how he performs. So that's a decision and a conversation that would probably have to go into the spring, and maybe into the season."
    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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    [QUOTE=Ben Grimm;2089290]Not much of an offer, huh? Here's part of an interview when he was mentioned as possibly returning to the Astros.

    - - - - - - - - - - -

    If Berkman does decide to keep playing in the wake of recurring knee problems, regular playing time and money seem to be Berkman's primary concerns for not just the Astros, but any team looking for his services. - Ben Grimm.

    Berkman sounds like he's another Kenny Lofton. After having a pretty good year with Texas and Cleveland and being a part of the Indians post-season run (with a satisfying victory over the Yankees and their flying insect-plagued reliever, Joba Chamberlain in one playoff round in 2007, a 40-year-old Lofton found that offseason that the only team bidding for his services was the Indians. Rather than take an offer in the 1.5 million range, which he considered an insult to A GUY WITH A ,299 LIFETIME AVERAGE AND OVER 600 STOLEN BASES, LOFTON EFFECTIVELY PRICED HIMSELF OUT OF THE MARKET AND WOULDN'T ADJUST his thinking to his current market value. LOFTON never played another major league game (He'll make his first appearence on the Hall Of Fame ballot in the pending election for the Class of 2013.)
    -Berkman runs the same risk, but since he'll only turn 37 next year, he may yet find a taker. Even with his 2012 salary of well over $10 million, If someone offers him $ 4 Mil. for a one-year contract for 2013, I'd say that's an offer he should accept, since he's coming off such an injury-plagued season. He may not think so now, but he's going to have to prove himself all over again!
    Last edited by philliesfiend55; 11-22-2012 at 07:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post
    Free agent, Koji Uehara, has been named recently (by Ken Rosenthal IIRC) as a possible target for the Phillies as a set-up man. Even though he's only been in the league for a few seasons, he's soon to be 38 years old. But his "stuff" is pretty good.

    2.89
    0.921
    9.8 K/9IP
    231 K
    29 BB

    His K/BB rate is really strong. He was injured last year for a bit, but seems to have been fairly healthy prior to that. Estimated cost looks to be a good bit less than Mike Adams though it may require a 2-year deal to get something done. I'm not a believer in putting too much money into the pen, but we did see this season how hit-n-miss relievers can be - especially inexperienced ones. Ruben stressed last offseason that he wanted more veterans in the pen, and while going cheaper with Qualls hardly worked out, I can see him investing more cash into one this season.
    Signing Uehara, who some people jokingly refer to as "O'Hara" will be a good move for the Phillies as long as: NIck Swisher either stays in the American League or the Phillies sign him. Swisher hits Koji like he owns him and that includes a couple of big walk-off home runs against him.
    Last edited by philliesfiend55; 11-22-2012 at 11:45 AM.

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    The Winter Meetings will be here before you know it (Dec. 3 -6), in fact they will be concluding exactly two weeks from today (Thanksgiving). Highlights will include: Dec. 3 - announcement of Hall Of Fame selections from the start of organized baseball era in the 1870s through 1946. Dec. 4 - Hall Of Fame Writer is announced. Dec. 5 - HallOf FaME bROADCASTER SELECTION IS ANNOUNCED and Dec. 6 - Rule 5 - Major & Minor League Drafts are held. Of course throughout this whole period trade proposals will be swirling about and some Free Agents may even visit the Meetings (held this year in Nashville, TN) and General Managers will make their pitches to them..

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    It's obvious that the Phillies have to bolster their bullpen in the long relief and set-up man areas. Why are almost all the options mentoined so far guys like Uehara who are 35 plus. Are there no younger relievers who have completed the requisite six years for free agency who are 30 or under.
    As Bruce Springsteen is fond of shouting at breaks between songs at his concerts, "Is there anybody Alive out there?"

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    I loved when Kenny Lofton played here. He was by far my favorite AL player in the 90s, and while he certainly wasn't the same with the Phils in '05, he still could play at a fairly high level. I think what may have made Lofton "outprice" himself is the fact that the Rangers blew him over with a $6M deal when they signed him in 2007. Considering he was just as effective that year as he was the previous one (which led to the overpay), maybe a 75% decrease in salary was a bit of a slap in the face.
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    Here's the list of FA relievers. Most are around the 35 age, and the few younger ones either come with question marks or injury issues.

    Closers
    Jonathan Broxton (29)
    Matt Capps (29)
    Ryan Madson (32)
    Brett Myers (32)
    Mariano Rivera (43)
    Joakim Soria (29)
    Rafael Soriano (33) - declined qualifying offer
    Jose Valverde (35)

    Right-handed relievers
    Jeremy Accardo (31)
    Mike Adams (34)
    Collin Balester (27)
    Miguel Batista (42)
    Shawn Camp (37)
    Todd Coffey (32)
    Jose Contreras (41)
    Francisco Cordero (38)
    Juan Cruz (34)
    Joey Devine (29)
    Chad Durbin (35)
    Kyle Farnsworth (37)
    Jason Frasor (35)
    Chad Gaudin (30)
    Kevin Gregg (35)
    Jason Grilli (36)
    LaTroy Hawkins (38)
    Livan Hernandez (38)
    Jason Isringhausen (40)
    Bobby Jenks (32)
    Brad Lidge (36)
    Matt Lindstrom (33)
    Kameron Loe (31)
    Shane Loux (33)
    Mark Lowe (30)
    Brandon Lyon (33)
    Jeff Manship (28)
    Kyle McClellan (29)
    Guillermo Mota (39)
    Juan Carlos Oviedo (29)
    Vicente Padilla (35)
    Brad Penny (35)
    Chad Qualls (34)
    Ramon Ramirez (31)
    Jon Rauch (34)
    Francisco Rodriguez (31)
    Takashi Saito (43)
    Koji Uehara (38)
    Jose Veras (32)
    Kyle Waldrop (27)
    Jamey Wright (38)

    Left-handed relievers
    Fernando Abad (27)
    Sean Burnett (30)
    Tim Byrdak (39)
    Randy Choate (37)
    Dana Eveland (29)
    Pedro Feliciano (35) - $4.5MM club option
    Brian Fuentes (37)
    Mike Gonzalez (35)
    Alex Hinshaw (30)
    J.P. Howell (28)
    Will Ohman (35)
    J.C. Romero (37)
    George Sherrill (36)
    Hisanori Takahashi (38)

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/0...GLV8e2LKxkY.99
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