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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post
    Jayson Stark of ESPN.com was told by agents who have spoken with the Phillies that Josh Hamilton is "no longer on their list."

    B.J. Upton or Cody Ross always seemed like more realistic options for the Phils, though general manager Ruben Amaro wouldn't rule out a marquee signing if it's the right fit. "I don't know that yet," he said. "We haven't been given a real budget. I know it's not unlimited, but that's not usually how we work. There are limitations, but each situation is unique, in and of itself. We didn't budget for Cliff Lee. But we signed Cliff Lee. We haven't budgeted for a bunch of things we've done. Each situation is different."

    Stark also reported that the Phillies "batted around the idea" of an extension for Roy Halladay but put an end to the talks after he started having shoulder issues.

    The preliminary talks involved keeping Doc in Philly beyond 2013 when his contract expires and pushing his average annual value up to around $24 million, which is what Cliff Lee is getting paid. General manager Ruben Amaro said they've "kicked it around, but we tabled it," though he wouldn't rule out resuming talks eventually. "I guess it's still possible," said Amaro. "But a lot has to do with how he feels and how he performs. So that's a decision and a conversation that would probably have to go into the spring, and maybe into the season."
    Halladay is 199-100 with over 2,000 strikeouts - Great career numbers, but General Managers are sensitive to even the slightest dowturn in performance. His 11-8 mark in 2012, with a fairly long stint on the Disabled List just wan't vintage Halladay. If the downturn continues in '13 then surely RAJr. is not going to shell out the type of money Ben Grimm mentioned to keep Roy in Philly after his current contract expires..

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    Here's the list of FA relievers. Most are around the 35 age, and the few younger ones either come with question marks or injury issues.

    Closers
    Jonathan Broxton (29)
    Matt Capps (29)
    Ryan Madson (32)
    Brett Myers (32)
    Mariano Rivera (43)
    Joakim Soria (29)
    Rafael Soriano (33) - declined qualifying offer
    Jose Valverde (35)

    Right-handed relievers
    Jeremy Accardo (31)
    Mike Adams (34)
    Collin Balester (27)
    Miguel Batista (42)
    Shawn Camp (37)
    Todd Coffey (32)
    Jose Contreras (41)
    Francisco Cordero (38)
    Juan Cruz (34)
    Joey Devine (29)
    Chad Durbin (35)
    Kyle Farnsworth (37)
    Jason Frasor (35)
    Chad Gaudin (30)
    Kevin Gregg (35)
    Jason Grilli (36)
    LaTroy Hawkins (38)
    Livan Hernandez (38)
    Jason Isringhausen (40)
    Bobby Jenks (32)
    Brad Lidge (36)
    Matt Lindstrom (33)
    Kameron Loe (31)
    Shane Loux (33)
    Mark Lowe (30)
    Brandon Lyon (33)
    Jeff Manship (28)
    Kyle McClellan (29)
    Guillermo Mota (39)
    Juan Carlos Oviedo (29)
    Vicente Padilla (35)
    Brad Penny (35)
    Chad Qualls (34)
    Ramon Ramirez (31)
    Jon Rauch (34)
    Francisco Rodriguez (31)
    Takashi Saito (43)
    Koji Uehara (38)
    Jose Veras (32)
    Kyle Waldrop (27)
    Jamey Wright (38)

    Left-handed relievers
    Fernando Abad (27)
    Sean Burnett (30)
    Tim Byrdak (39)
    Randy Choate (37)
    Dana Eveland (29)
    Pedro Feliciano (35) - $4.5MM club option
    Brian Fuentes (37)
    Mike Gonzalez (35)
    Alex Hinshaw (30)
    J.P. Howell (28)
    Will Ohman (35)
    J.C. Romero (37)
    George Sherrill (36)
    Hisanori Takahashi (38)

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/0...GLV8e2LKxkY.99
    This list confirms what a poster on a Phillies website has maintained for quite some time - That relievers are late bloomers, particularly Closers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
    Halladay is 199-100 with over 2,000 strikeouts - Great career numbers, but General Managers are sensitive to even the slightest dowturn in performance. His 11-8 mark in 2012, with a fairly long stint on the Disabled List just wan't vintage Halladay. If the downturn continues in '13 then surely RAJr. is not going to shell out the type of money Ben Grimm mentioned to keep Roy in Philly after his current contract expires..
    Yes. This is a big year for both Roy and Ruben when it comes to Roy's contract. Ideally, Roy's lights-out and pitches enough innings to simply have his one-year option vest for $20M. Unfortunately, because he could only go 150 or so innings last year, he'll need to go 260 for that to happen in '13. Basically, he'd need to match his CYA years in both performance and innings and that's a bit much to ask from a pitcher turning 36 years old.

    Even if Roy only pitches like "average Halladay", he'd be better than most #2s on teams' rotations. That alone will garner high interest on the FA market next year, and being that he won the CYA and came in 2nd only a year ago, it's recent enough for teams to offer a multi-year deal in the hopes they'd get one of those great seasons out of him. I don't like the risk for this team. Hamels is now the long-term #1 and this franchise has spent years developing pitching talent. Somebody needs to come up in the next year or so and show some kind of payoff. And I'm not talking about the Worleys and Cloyds of the world. I mean one of these perceived top of the rotation types to finally show something.
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    The Phils signed one-time prospect Josh Fields to a minor league contract.

    Fields came up through the White Sox system and was looked at as the 3B to take over for Joe Crede, who was dealing with injuries and nearing free agency. He had some pop in his bat, but had trouble with pitch recognition. The Sox learned quickly that Fields also couldn't play 3B very well defensively, so they began shifting him around. Last year, he was in the Dodgers system playing AAA ball. His offensive numbers were decent, but that should be expected from a 29 year old with MLB experience in the PCL.

    He looks now to be simply OF depth who, if gets hot, can maybe get called up in an emergency.
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    With the signing of Josh Fields, I guess the Phillies annual acquisition of AAAA players has begun. Some of these players have been back and forth between the majors and AAA with the frequency of a Yo-Yo and all have at least limited major leagues experience. These players are signed with the AAA-Lehigh Valley club particularly in mind, and since they have some major league track record, calling them up to replace injured or underperforming players on the Opening Day 25 man roster is often considered preferable to rushing a young guy to the majors as a temporary replacement with no major leagues experience whatsoever and testing him in the middle of a major league pennant race. Eventually patterns emerage and these players can be filed under the following categories:

    Some guys don't work out at all and never get even a cup of coffee with the Phillies : Luis Montanez, Scott Posednik, Scottt Elarton, Pat Misch, Dontrelle Willis.
    Some guys produce some limited returns at the MLB level for the Phils: Hector Luna, Jason Pridie, Cody Ransom. Juan Perez, Raul Valdes, Dane Sardinha, Brian Sanches.
    Other guys succeed and make themselves 'Phixtures in Philly' : Eric Kratz, Kevin Fransden.
    Still other guys pass under the Phillies radar, get released and wind up succeeding in the majors elsewhere: Jason Grilli.

    As I said at the start of this post. - The Phillies' AAAA Talent Acqusition portion of the offseason has officially begun.
    Last edited by philliesfiend55; 11-23-2012 at 11:48 AM.

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    Josh Fields hit 23 home runs as a White Sox rookie in 2006. Apparently, Americn League pitchers figured him out the next year and he has stumbled badly since then. In parts of five seasons ( Chi.WhiteSsox 2006-2009 & KC Royals 2010) he hasn't impressed much since his rookie year. Major league seniority-wise he's at just 2 years, 159 days (13 days short of a full 3 years' seniority credit),so you can see that he hasn't spent any full seasons in the majors, just partial ones. He hasn't appeared in a major leagues game since 2010 and his lifetime average is just .234. He played a decent third base and that's why he was signed, for depth at that position. Fields turns 30 about three weeks from now, on December 14.
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    Interesting note from a writer for the Denver Post...

    Troy Renck‏@TroyRenck

    If Braves get Upton should help clarify/intensify market for Fowler. Phils, Nats might emerge but Rox asking price will be very high


    I like Fowler. In fact, i see him having a big breakout year (ex: 25/25) with a .300 average once again.... IF HE"S PLAYING IN COORS.

    Dexter seems like a typical high-altitude player as his splits show:

    Home OPS - .882
    Road OPS - .698

    He can play CF, but I'm not going to be sold on the overall numbers we'd be shown once (if) a deal is done. It also depends of course on what the Phils would be giving up, because his overall road numbers are very pedestrian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post
    Interesting note from a writer for the Denver Post...

    Troy Renck‏@TroyRenck

    If Braves get Upton should help clarify/intensify market for Fowler. Phils, Nats might emerge but Rox asking price will be very high


    I like Fowler. In fact, i see him having a big breakout year (ex: 25/25) with a .300 average once again.... IF HE"S PLAYING IN COORS.

    Dexter seems like a typical high-altitude player as his splits show:

    Home OPS - .698
    Road OPS - .882

    He can play CF, but I'm not going to be sold on the overall numbers we'd be shown once (if) a deal is done. It also depends of course on what the Phils would be giving up, because his overall road numbers are very pedestrian.
    Did you switch the home and road labels for OPS? If you did, what you wrote makes perfect sense. If not, the stats contradict what you say.
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    Oops. My bad - too early in the morning

    He hits well in Coors, but not all that great outside of those confines. Hey, if it costs something like Kendrick, I'm all for it. But I highly doubt that's what they want. They're surely looking for a starter with upside closer to being MLB ready.

    Annnnd, now it looks like I somehow deleted my original while editing. Here's what it should have read...
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    Interesting note from a writer for the Denver Post...

    Troy Renck‏@TroyRenck

    If Braves get Upton should help clarify/intensify market for Fowler. Phils, Nats might emerge but Rox asking price will be very high


    I like Fowler. In fact, i see him having a big breakout year (ex: 25/25) with a .300 average once again.... IF HE"S PLAYING IN COORS.

    Dexter seems like a typical high-altitude player as his splits show:

    Home OPS - .882
    Road OPS - .698

    He can play CF, but I'm not going to be sold on the overall numbers we'd be shown once (if) a deal is done. It also depends of course on what the Phils would be giving up, because his overall road numbers are very pedestrian.
    Last edited by Ben Grimm; 11-26-2012 at 10:43 AM.
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    According to CSN's Jim Salisbury, the Phils are in serious talks with Houston about a trade for RP Wilton Lopez.

    Lopez, 29, was 6-3 with a 2.17 ERA in 64 games for the Astros last season. A sinkerballer, he registered excellent control numbers, striking out 54 and walking just eight in 66 1/3 innings. He had 10 saves after taking over as closer when the Astros traded Brett Myers to the White Sox.

    If acquired, he'd be the team's setup man leading into Papelbon. The Phils were interested in Ryan Madson until he signed with the Angels. Lopez is heading into his first year of arbitration after making $515k last season. MLBTR projects him to earn $1.4M this season, which would be much more inexpensive than either Mike Adams or Koji Uehera. He's 29 years old entering the 2013 season.
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    CBS is now reporting that a deal has in fact been done with the Astros. Haven't heard which player(s) is heading to Houston but they're already Philly West after trades for Oswalt and Pence the past few seasons.
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    Word is that it'll be at least two prospects who are close to MLB-ready. This could be a landing spot for somebody like Ruf as he'll be a 1B/DH option for them now that they're in the AL. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody like Michael Schwimer was involved as well. Could also see Valle instead of Ruf since the Phils are rather deep in the C position after acquring Joseph from San Fran.
    Last edited by Ben Grimm; 11-28-2012 at 09:29 AM.
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    Lopez is in Philly for a physical. Let's hope it's not the one they gave Freddy Garcia. He had an elbow issue in June, and the Phils want to make sure there's no long-term effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post
    CBS is now reporting that a deal has in fact been done with the Astros. Haven't heard which player(s) is heading to Houston but they're already Philly West after trades for Oswalt and Pence the past few seasons.
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    If this move goes through then my basic reaction will be "It's about time". I'm rather disappointed in General Manager Ruben Amaro Jr.'s offseason performance so far. On the eve of the Winter Meetings the Phillies have done practically nothing this offseason. It's disappointing to see that after a terrible year where the Phillies sank from the winningest regular season team of the last few years back to a .500 record that the Phillies front office showed no signs of urgency in addressing the team's needs, and in fact were beaten to a number of free agent sisnings by other teams.
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    Apparently, the Lopez deal fizzled out. Last I heard, he was in town to get a physical. I wonder if there was an issue with his elbow after all.
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    From ESPN...


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    #Phillies plan to non-tender outfielder Nate Schierholtz, source says. He was eligible for salary arbitration.
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    With Schierholtz non-tendered, the Phillies will have 37 players on their 40-man roster. Looking at other non-tenders around the league, there are two I wouldn't mind seeing the Phils give a minor league deal with an invite to ST.

    First is RP Peter Moylan. He's been injured for much of the past two seasons, but he does have a 2.59 career ERA and induces ground balls at a 64% rate which suits well for CBP. If he works out, he'd add experienced depth to the bullpen at a minimal cost.

    The other is 3B Ian Stewart. As an everyday player, Ian can't cut it. But with the limited availability of 3B via FA or trade, this may end up a pure platoon position. While Stewart can't hit LHPs, he hit right handers fairly well. If he & Frandsen are to take the hot corner, it'd free up money for the Phils to address the OF positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post
    With Schierholtz non-tendered, the Phillies will have 37 players on their 40-man roster. Looking at other non-tenders around the league, there are two I wouldn't mind seeing the Phils give a minor league deal with an invite to ST.

    First is RP Peter Moylan. He's been injured for much of the past two seasons, but he does have a 2.59 career ERA and induces ground balls at a 64% rate which suits well for CBP. If he works out, he'd add experienced depth to the bullpen at a minimal cost.

    The other is 3B Ian Stewart. As an everyday player, Ian can't cut it. But with the limited availability of 3B via FA or trade, this may end up a pure platoon position. While Stewart can't hit LHPs, he hit right handers fairly well. If he & Frandsen are to take the hot corner, it'd free up money for the Phils to address the OF positions.
    Since Schierholtz was non-tendered yesterday, Can the Phillies add a minor leaguer to the 40 man roster to protect him on from next week's Rule 5 Draft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
    Since Schierholtz was non-tendered yesterday, Can the Phillies add a minor leaguer to the 40 man roster to protect him on from next week's Rule 5 Draft?
    I suppose they could, though I'm not sure there's anybody worth doing (or have enough service time in the minors worth protecting). The nice thing about having the open slots is that you have freedom in signing extra players to ML minimum deals if a minor league deal can't be reached.
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