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    San Francisco Giants 2012 Offseason Thread

    Now that the Giants have clinched the franchise's 7th World Series title the off-season has begun. The Giants have lots of personnel decisions to make. Discuss!
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    So it has begun. The Giants did NOT make qualifying offers to Jeremy Affeldt, Melky Cabrera, nor Angel Pagan. As Rich the Giants Fan has explained in another thread under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), in order to receive draft-pick compensation for losing a free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to a potential free agent. The qualifying offer is a one-year contract offer for the average of the top 125 salaries, which is $13.3 million this season. According to the linked article below not offering a qualify offer to Pagan may have been a bad move.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ancisco-giants
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    This issue boils down to a sandwich draft pick? Honestly, maybe they would get that, but is it that big a deal? Also, no matter what Pagan's WAR was, NO WAY he's getting or is worth 22Mil. My guess is that a three year deal for between 40-45 will get it done. He's a great fit for the Giants, and from what I hear he LOVES playing for the team. And really, what type of market will there be for him? He'll get offers for sure, but not superstar offers. And does he want to play for the Mariners or Pirates or Brewers? Or for the World Champs? I expect him to re-up with the team.

    The issue for the team really is LF. Blanco was terrific defensively, but there's no way he's a regular LF over 162 games. He's way too streaky for my blood. We can do better IMO. However, I do want to keep Blanco on the team. He's a great defensive sub, a pinch runner and all around pest. This is also where Melky screwed us over, this is a hole that shouldn't need to be filled.

    We will need to replace Mota's spot in the pen, and maybe Heath Hembree takes that spot. Might be a good place for the kid to get some experience without much pressure being placed on him. The other problem is that Wilson will be coming back and he'll need a spot someplace. Georgie Kontos did a terrific job late in the season and he's cheap, but he's also easily replaceable. So maybe Weezy takes Kontos' spot.

    Of our FA's the one I'm most concerned about is Affeldt. He clearly wants to get paid, and my reading the tea leaves is that he's going to go wherever the best offer is. His issue is that no teams pay top dollar for what he does, so one hopes he understands that. But I'm betting he finds himself elsewhere.

    And my concern with Scutaro is only that his situation is just like Aubrey Huff's. Come off a great year late in his career, gets two year deal, and stinks up the joint. I don't think that will happen here, but it is a concern.

    Not a lot of holes to fill, but I hate standing pat. Move forward, don't stand still.
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    I would not pay Pagan big money. If worse comes to worse, get a LF and put Blanco in CF. I am OK with that. He had a really good May and a decent September and was good in the post season. I think he can be more consistent and he is valuable on the bases and in the field.

    What they need is a RH 1B as a backup - having two LH 1B was useless. Brett Pill or someone else. Scutaro will be a solid player and he is a good influence on many players including Panda.

    Affeldt is a good pitcher but again I would not go crazy if another teams signs him for a ridiculous amount. If he wants to stay here at a reasonable pay, that would be OK

    They have Clay Hensley still right? Plus Wilson coming back (I guess). Dump Mota and don't worry about it.

    1. LF/CF Pagan or other
    2. Backup RH 1B Pill or other
    3. Affeldt or similar
    4. 4th OF or Blanco if Pagan stays
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    Michael Borne is a free agent. He may be too expensive for the Giants, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    Michael Borne is a free agent. He may be too expensive for the Giants, though.
    He's too expensive because Scott Boras is his agent...
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    If the Giants don't resign Angel Pagan what do you guys think about Nick Swisher?
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    from sfgate.com

    I’m working on confirming a report from CBSSports.com’s Jon Heyman that the Giants have reached an agreement on a three-year deal with left-handed reliever Jeremy Affeldt. Heyman reported the deal is worth just over $18 million.

    Affeldt, 33, has been an integral part of the Giants’ bullpen, never more than in 2012 as he helped fill the void left by Brian Wilson. He pitched in 67 games in each of the past two years and has been a Giant since 2009.

    During the 2012 postseason he did not allow a run in 10 1/3 innings.

    General manager Brian Sabean has said his top priority was re-signing Affeldt, Angel Pagan and Marco Scutaro. Affeldt’s return might be the most important given uncertainty about Wilson’s ability to close in 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    If the Giants don't resign Angel Pagan what do you guys think about Nick Swisher?
    not a good fit
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    You just had to figure that Affeldt had set his roots in SF , and if the team came up with a competitive offer he'd sign in a heartbeat, and that's what happened. Good move for player and for the team.
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    Left-hander Jeremy Affeldt and the Giants agreed to terms on a three-year contract, a person familiar with the negotiations said Monday.

    The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal had not been completed. Affeldt is expected to undergo a physical Tuesday in San Francisco, another person with knowledge of the situation said, and that is typically the final step in completing a contract.

    CBS Sports reported that the deal is for $18 million over three seasons.

    Affeldt, 33, went 1-2 with a 2.70 ERA in 67 appearances covering 63 1/3 innings this season for the World Series champions.

    When the season ended, Affeldt said he wanted to stay with San Francisco but needed a multiyear deal to provide some security for his family; he has a wife and three young sons. Affeldt also was a key member of the bullpen during the club's 2010 run to the franchise's first championship since 1954.

    General manager Brian Sabean called re-signing Affeldt one of his top offseason priorities. Affeldt lives on the West Coast in his hometown of Spokane, Wash., so re-signing with the Giants was appealing from that standpoint as well.

    He has spent the past four of his 11 major-league seasons with San Francisco, going 10-9 with a 2.73 ERA in 237 1/3 innings over 261 appearances.

    Affeldt dealt with two fluke, non-baseball injuries the past two seasons.

    In late April, he sprained his right knee and went on the disabled list after he reached out to catch his son, Walker, as the 60-pound 4-year-old jumped off the couch to hug his arriving father.

    On Sept. 8, 2011, the pitcher sliced his non-throwing hand nearly to the artery while separating frozen hamburgers during an outdoor barbecue with his family on an off day. The paring knife he was using pushed through a hamburger patty and deep into his hand. Affeldt came within a millimeter of an artery and underwent surgery about eight hours after the injury to repair nerve damage in his pinkie.


    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/giants/article...#ixzz2C53pq4wt
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    Reports suggest that the Giants are close to re-signing NLCS MVP, Marco Scutaro, to a two year deal worth a reported 12 million dollars. With the re-signing of Affeldt and Scutaro, along with the depth of this year's free agent outfield class, there is little doubt now that the Giants will have a very successful offseason coming off their second World Series crown in three years.

    http://sfgiantsfansunite.blogspot.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    not a good fit
    Because?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    Because?

    slow afoot, poor fielder, ATT is not a park to induce Home runs
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    Now that left-handed reliever Jeremy Affeldt is signed for 2013 and beyond, second baseman Marco Scutaro might be next.

    Affeldt passed a physical Tuesday, the final step in completing a three-year contract reportedly worth about $18 million. The Giants have not formally announced the deal.

    According to multiple sources, the Giants are optimistic they can re-sign Scutaro, who delivered the World Series-clinching single in Detroit and, at 37, is not expecting to break the bank with his contract. He likely will get a two-year deal.

    Center fielder Angel Pagan, the third important free agent the Giants hope to retain, is not expected to sign quickly as he sorts through several offers. The Giants have checked on other free-agent center fielders, including Torii Hunter and Shane Victorino, as insurance.

    Affeldt pitched 67 games in each of the past two seasons and did not allow a run in 10 1/3 postseason innings this year.

    "This was a critical sign for us to get Jeremy back," manager Bruce Bochy said. "He can give you multiple innings. He's effective against lefties and righties. He did a really good job stabilizing our bullpen from the sixth inning through the ninth.

    "We used him anywhere. We used him in a lot of crisis situations late in the ballgame. He's really gotten better as a complete pitcher."


    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/giants/article...#ixzz2CAHO7ITO
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    Ok the run continues

    2007 Bonds sets HR record
    2007 Giants host ASG
    2008 Lincecum wins Cy Young
    2009 J Sanchez no-hitter
    2009 Lincecum wins Cy Young
    2010 Posey wins ROY
    2010 Giants set record going back to 1917 for most consecutive games allowing 3 runs or less
    2010 First WS championship in SF history
    2012 Cain Perfect game
    2012 Giants dominate ASG
    2012 Posey MVP
    2012 Giants win World Series

    GO GIANTS!
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    Guys please indulge me with this story.

    On Wednesday I went down to LA for a final interview with 3 execs for a pretty nice job. The interview was supposed to last 1 hour. After 25 minutes, the senior VP stopped the interview, paid me some compliments and got the other 2 to agree the interview did not need to go any further. 45 minutes later while I was at the LAX airport, they called me and offered me the position. On Friday the "paper" offer was received.

    I went to a Nordstrom about 15 miles from my home to drop off some dress shoes (4 pair) - they have a shine stand and do a really nice job - I will get them in a day or 2. Anyway, the day before I received a gift card from Tommy Bahama and they have a store real close to the Nordstrom so I went in and asked the details of the gift card. Since I was in the store, I did a quick browse and saw a really cool Tommy Bahama SF Giants sweater - unfortunately they did not have my size. I asked when the next shipment was coming in (if there was one) and he said they are actually expecting a shipment of "special" 2012 World Series SF Giants sweaters any day. And then a few minutes later, guess what was delivered? I tried on a large and it was a perfect fit, but he said all these were pre-ordered and spoken for. He said I could order one and it would be here in 7-10 days. I begged and begged and begged and they let me buy one on the spot. I can tell you the pictures do not do it justice, It is spectacularly beautiful.

    GO GIANTS!



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    Roy, you are on a Roll!! Buy some lottery tickets quick!!
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    So the Giants may be interested in Nick Swisher after all.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jo...swisher-market
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    Swisher isn't exactly the kind of guy I'd expect Sabes to go after. He's not the defender I'd like out there, especially in CF. I'd be OK with him in LF, but I'd be hesitant to go to a four year contract.
    ďWell, I like to say Iím completely focused, right? I mean, the gameís on the line. Itís not like Iím thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer ó it tastes frigginí awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    Quote Originally Posted by KHenry14 View Post
    Swisher isn't exactly the kind of guy I'd expect Sabes to go after. He's not the defender I'd like out there, especially in CF. I'd be OK with him in LF, but I'd be hesitant to go to a four year contract.
    I agree that four years is too long.
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    I noticed on baseball reference .com they have the 2012 MVP voting and I think it is wrong

    My undertsanding was that Posey got 27 first place votes and no one else got more than 3

    But BB-ref lists Posey with 20 1st place votes and Braun with 10?
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    pagan signs
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    I'm wondering if one reason for the contract was the struggles of Gary Brown in AA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KHenry14 View Post
    I'm wondering if one reason for the contract was the struggles of Gary Brown in AA?
    Right now Gary Brown is a big ? for the Giants. His 2012 season at AA Richmond was quite a disappointment. I read Keith Law's writings and I have a great respect for his knowledge about scouting prospects. He's never been that high on Brown, thinks he'll hit for zero power and have poor walk rates in the majors. But Law also said that Brown could still be a solid major league who hits .300 and plays great defense. I Also, Brown is not a young prospect. He's already 24 years old. He does have great tools, so I am hoping he can translate his tools into production. I wonder if he'll start 2013 back at AA Richmond or be promoted to AAA Fresno?

    Here is what Law said about Brown before the 2012 season. Brown was the only Giant (#68) that was on Law's 2012 Top 100 Prospects list.

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    Brown is at least a 70 runner who covers a ton of ground in center field and profiles as an above-average regular in the big leagues because of the value he'll add on defense.

    He is one of the fastest right-handed hitters I've ever clocked from home to first -- the fastest is the prospect at the top of this list -- and his hands are very quick, allowing him to stay inside the ball well. But his swing is very linear and he doesn't let the ball travel, so there's not much present or future power here. And while he makes a ton of contact he's never been a high-walk guy to potentially generate .400 OBPs.

    He'll probably end up cast as a leadoff type because of his speed, but I see more of a .300 hitter without great secondary skills who saves 10 runs a year with his glove in center.

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    IMO the key to Brown being a successful major leaguer is to draw walks and hit .300. If he has zero power that's ok. A guy with his speed, that plays great defense, and hits .300 with a good OBP will be a valuable player in AT&T Park even if he hits 8 home runs a year..
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