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    1902-1903 Offseason Thread

    Friday, November 30 (11:59 PM EST): Rookie draft clock starts
    Wednesday, December 12 (9 PM EST): Rookie draft ends
    Wednesday, December 12 July 6 (9:01 PM EST): free agent bidding begins
    Saturday, December 15 (8PM EST): first bid list posted
    Saturday, December 15 (9PM EST): 250K bid phase begins
    Sunday, December 16 (8PM EST): first phase signings announced
    Sunday, December 16 (9PM EST): 500K bid phase begins
    Monday, December 17 (8 PM EST): second phase signings announced
    Monday, December 17 (9PM EST): 1M bid phase begins
    Wednesday, December 19 (8PM EST): fourth phase signings anounced
    Sunday, December 23 (9PM EST):Blind Bids due for final round of Free Agency
    Sunday, December 23(10PM EST): free signing period for any team under 40
    Saturday, December 29 (midnight EST): deadline for submitting Opening Day profile
    Sunday, December 30: Opening Day
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    Serious question: Ed Delahanty died sometime between June 26 and July 02 (almost surely June 26) 1903. Can I use him during the full 1903 season (within PA constraints) or can I use him only until around those dates? Obviously my preference would be to have flexibility over the full season. What do you think?

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    The date of his death has no impact on when you can use him. You are only bound by his plate appearances and can use him at 130% as you see fit.
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    What is the last season 130% will be used? Will we then go immediately to 100% or will we ramp down?

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    This will be the last season at 130% . . . 1904 will be at 120% and 1905 will be at 110% which is where we will stay.
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    Joel - as the runner up this year you will be responsible for conducting the draft lottery. Here are the ticket distributions for the lottery

    Anaheim - 10 tickets
    Richmond - 7 tickets
    Tennessee - 5 tickets
    Cleveland - via Detroit - 2 tickets
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    Anaheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmadachik View Post
    This will be the last season at 130% . . . 1904 will be at 120% and 1905 will be at 110% which is where we will stay.
    We may want to do something in regards to roster expansion by 1905 then, too. I'm not sure 32 man rosters at only 110% usage will be enough. Just my two cents.
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    The Express appear to be headed for a rather dismal season, and when I received the 1903 DB from Rich I discovered that I have three guys who play right field and no other position. Therefore, the following players are available for trade. I am looking for draft picks in exchange, but would consider another player who could fill a need.
    Bill Keister, rf: 135 OPS+ in 1903, then retires. Salary 5M.
    Patsy Donovan, rf: 116 OPS+ in 1903, then becomes a FA. Salary 3M.
    Vic Willis, sp: 107 ERA+ in 1903 in 278 IP; 97/350 in 04; 96/342 in 05; 155/322 in 06 then a FA. Salary 8M.
    Red Donohue, sp: 111 ERA+ in 1903 in 268 IP, then a FA. Salary 7M.

    Not many other players on the roster, but if one really interests you I'd listen to an offer.
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    I'm playing around with a "homebrew" of 1903. Can't figure out how to combine players stats when they played for 2 teams. The checkbox is grayed out. Anybody have any ideas?
    Ed posted this over in the 1902 season thread. I didn't have an answer until I started checking that 1903 season myself. It appears that whoever created that season DID NOT INCLUDE AN ENTRY FOR THE PLAYERS OVERALL STATS for any player that was on more than one team. I have Ernie Courtney on my team and when I checked the Organizer, he has entries for his two individual teams but none for his overall season. Hence, when you delete team specific records, you delete the player entirely. I noticed that for at least two other players as well. I think Rich you'll have to create an entry for a player's overall stats for any multi-team players.
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    --I discovered the same thing with Kid Elberfeld for my team. I think Rich has a little more work to do before the database is ready to go. There were 65 team specific records so 30 plus players will need to be created from scratch.

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    there are several homebrew for 1903 - I am in the process of changing over to one that has the correct player stats for guys who played for more than one team
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    Well looks like I am ggoing to have to do a lot of data entry to fix the problem of no composite data for players who played for more than one team. Sorry gents but this is going to drag things out a llittle longer than expected this offseason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmadachik View Post
    Well looks like I am ggoing to have to do a lot of data entry to fix the problem of no composite data for players who played for more than one team. Sorry gents but this is going to drag things out a llittle longer than expected this offseason.
    It sounds like a lot of work and I for one am greatly appreciative of the time you put in Rich. So I in no way mean to sound dismissive, but while the data is being entered would it be possible for us to start the offseason activities? At least we could post updated rosters and start researching available free agents?
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    As usual, I'm behind the curve. Has Rich posted or sent out 1903 "rookies"? I know we can get them through BB-Ref, but....

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    Updated rosters can be posted any time - it's up to the individual owners. All Rich can do is give us a deadline and post his own roster. A compiled FA list would be really handy, but would take more work (although not necessarily from Rich).

    I haven't seen a Rookie list yet, but that seems like a lower priority than the other stuff (mostly because BBRef has it in one easy-to-find place)
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    Checking the DM disk, I notice that four players are missing from the Kumquat roster. Three of them - Gene Wright, Bob Rhodes, and Nick Altrock - were listed twice in the Player tab under the Organizer. I assume that means that they played on two different real life teams and will be added to the Kumquat roster in time. The fourth player, Jack O'Brien, was on the Kumquat roster in 1901, was out in 1902, and has returned in 1903. He could be added now, I assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRon View Post
    As usual, I'm behind the curve. Has Rich posted or sent out 1903 "rookies"? I know we can get them through BB-Ref, but....
    Rich sent out a preliminary database to the DM game owners. I don't see any preliminary rosters posted here, though. I think Rich will need to get preliminary rosters posted for each team so everyone can review the rosters prior to a free agent list going up. My own particular roster had two or three guys listed who shouldn't have been on it (they'll be free agents), and I think everyone else should get a chance to verify rosters prior to the free agent lists going up. Once the rosters are verified, generating free agent lists is a snap.
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    SP: Rube Waddell, 15.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 5 years, exp 1905 (RFA)
    SP: Joe McGinnity, 10.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
    SP: Bill Dinneen, 8.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
    SP: Tully Sparks, 7.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 6 years, exp 1906
    SP: Bill Bernhard, 6.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
    SP: Kid Nichols, 5.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
    SP: Bob Wicker, 4.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 5 years, exp 1905
    SP: Addie Joss, 3.00M Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, Exp 1908
    SP: Jack Sutthoff, 2.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
    RF: Ducky Holmes, 2.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
    SP: Rube Vickers, 1.50M Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, Exp 1908
    1B: John Ganzel, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
    SS: Dave Brain, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
    C: Jack Warner, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
    1B: Charlie Carr, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
    SP: Rube Kisinger, 0.75K Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, exp 1908
    C: Fritz Buelow, 0.50K Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
    SP: Martin Glendon, 0.50K Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, exp 1908
    OF: Harry Arndt, 0.25K Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, exp 1908


    19 Players = 69.25M

    Free agents

    1B: Pop Dillon, 5.50M Contract, 1901 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
    2B: Tim Flood, 5.25M Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
    2B: Pete Childs, 2.75M Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, Exp 1902
    LF: Lefty Davis, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
    SS: Herman Long, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
    C: Jack O'Connor, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
    3B: Fred Hartman, 0.75K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
    1B: Hal O'Hagan, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
    RF: Pepper Clark, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
    CF: Jim Jones, 0.25K Contract, 1901 draft/trade, 2 years, exp 1902
    LF: Bill Thomas, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
    RF: Lew Post, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
    3B: Soldier Boy Murphy, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
    2B: Gary Wilson, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
    SS: Ed Glenn, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
    2B: Jake Atz, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 Year, exp 1902
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    Quote Originally Posted by catcher24 View Post
    Rich sent out a preliminary database to the DM game owners. I don't see any preliminary rosters posted here, though. I think Rich will need to get preliminary rosters posted for each team so everyone can review the rosters prior to a free agent list going up. My own particular roster had two or three guys listed who shouldn't have been on it (they'll be free agents), and I think everyone else should get a chance to verify rosters prior to the free agent lists going up. Once the rosters are verified, generating free agent lists is a snap.
    Thanks Lew - absolutely everyone should post their rosters here. I hope to have the player profiles finished by Wednesday. At that point I will send out a free agent list and rosters for every owner to verify. I appreciate everyones patience on this. I did not forsee having to do this much work on the database.
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    Nick Altrock FA 02-06 $14.75
    George Barclay draft 02 $0.25
    Jake Beckley FA 01-04 $6.00
    Jimmy Burke FA 01-03 $1.00
    Monte Cross FA 01-03 $1.00
    Mike Donlin FA 01-05 $7.00
    Red Dooin draft 02 $0.50
    Patsy Dougherty draft 02 $2.50
    Jack Doyle FA 01-03 $1.00
    Mal Eason FA 01-03 $1.00
    Kid Gleason FA 01-04 $2.00
    Fred Jacklitsch FA 01-03 $1.00
    Billy Lauder FA 01-03 $0.75
    Sam Leever FA 01-08 $15.00
    Bobby Lowe FA 01-03 $0.75
    Pat Moran FA 01-03 $3.00
    George Mullin draft 02 $3.00
    Jack O'Brien FA 01-03 $1.00
    Casey Patten FA 01-05 $2.00
    Bill Phillips FA 01-03 $2.00
    Bob Rhodes draft 02 $1.50
    Cy Seymour FA 01-05 $8.00
    Harry Steinfeldt FA 01-03 $5.00
    Doc White FA 01-08 $10.00
    Gene Wright FA 01-03 $0.50

    25 $90.50

    Free Agents

    James Durham FA 02 $0.25
    Crese Heismann FA 01-02 $0.50
    Jack Lundbom FA 02 $0.25
    Andy Oyler FA 02 $0.25
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    So we post preliminary rosters here, then finalize them in the Rosters thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade8813 View Post
    So we post preliminary rosters here, then finalize them in the Rosters thread?
    Yes, the roster thread really doesn't need to be updated until right before the season starts. At least that is how I always do it.
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    Detroit Tigers 1903 Pre-Draft Roster:

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    Detroit Tigers		1903	 Pre-Draft 			
    				 Contract 		
     Pos 	 Name 	 Acquired 	 Salary 	 Begin 		 End 
    C	Bill Bergen	Draft	 $750,000 	1901	-	1903
    C	Deacon McGuire	Draft	 $2,000,000 	1901	-	1904
    1B	Frank Chance	Draft	 $10,000,000 	1901	-	1906
    1B	Roy Brashear	Draft	 $1,000,000 	1902	-	1903
    2B	Claude Ritchey	Draft	 $6,000,000 	1901	-	1906
    3B	Lave Cross	Draft	 $5,000,000 	1901	-	1904
    SS	Bill Friel	Draft	 $1,000,000 	1901	-	1903
    SS	Bill Dahlen	Draft	 $8,000,000 	1901	-	1905
    SS	John Gochnauer	Draft	 $500,000 	1901	-	1903
    OF	Fred Clarke	Draft	 $15,000,000 	1901	-	1907
    OF	Jimmy Slagle	Draft	 $4,000,000 	1901	-	1904
    OF	Kip Selbach	Draft	 $3,000,000 	1901	-	1904
    P 	D Phillippe	Draft	 $10,000,000 	1901	-	1907
    P 	Harry Howell	Draft	 $4,000,000 	1901	-	1905
    P	Bill Duggleby	Draft	 $3,000,000 	1901	-	1905
    P	Chick Fraser	Draft	 $2,000,000 	1901	-	1905
    P	Ed Murphy	Draft	 $1,000,000 	1901	-	1903
    P	Happy Townsend	Draft	 $1,000,000 	1901	-	1904
    P	Charlie Smith	Draft	 $500,000 	1902	-	1908
    P	Alex Pearson	Draft	 $250,000 	1902	-	1903
    			 -   			
    Players		         21	 $80,000,000 			
    						
    	 Retired Players 					
    	Joe Wall					
    	Doc Yeager					
    	Rube Ward					
    	Zaza Harvey					
    	Steve Brodie					
    	Bill Magee					
    	Gene McCann					
    	Jim Gardner					
    						
    	 Non-Tenders 					
    	Sleuth Fleming					
    						
    	Draft Picks Traded To	Year	 Round 			
    	                Spiders	1903	 1 			
    						
    	Draft Picks Traded From	Year	 Round 			
    	                Spiders	1903	 2 			
    	                Spiders	1905	 1
    Last edited by scubadan; 12-05-2012 at 12:34 PM. Reason: correct Clarke's rookie contract to expire in '07
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    Express drops/ Roster

    These are the guys that will be dropped from the 1902 Express roster:

    Free Agents
    Billy Maloney, c
    Jack McCarthy, of
    Ed Poole, p
    Pop Williams, p
    Bob Wood, c
    Chief Zimmer, c

    Retirements
    Erve Beck, 2b
    Bob Blewett, p
    Red Calhoun, inf/of
    Luis Castro, 2b
    Dad Hale, p
    George Hildebrand, of
    Red Long, p
    Mike Lynch, of
    John McMakin, p
    Charlie Shields, p
    Archie Stimmel, p
    Ed Wheeler, 2b
    Art Williams, 1b

    That leaves the Express with the following players (with salaries) entering the 1903 Rookie Draft/Free Agent auction:
    Andy Coakley, p 2.5M
    Ernie Courtney, util 500K
    Red Donohue, p 7M
    Patsy Donovan, rf 3M
    Danny Green, rf 6M
    Tom Hughes, p 2M
    Bill Keister, rf 5M
    Roy Patterson, p 4M
    Jimmy Sheckard, lf 10M
    Honus Wagner, ss 15M
    Tom Walker, p 1M
    Vic Willis, p 8M
    Harry Wolverton, 3b 2M

    13 Players @ 66M
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