Top Ten Players Not In Hall

[Ducati12]

I was hoping to start a poll and get everyone's opinion. I wanted to create a new poll every 3 to 4 days and see who everyone believes are the top ten players not currently in the Hall in order. I am going to create a poll of 15-20 players, feel free to add anyone you feel I have missed. I am hoping in everyone's response they could post:

1. Who they voted for
2. A new candidate they believe should be added to the poll
3. A player that should be removed from the poll

I would like to not include steroid players along with Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose. When I say steroid players I mean players such as McGwire and Palmeiro who have been caught, not players like Bagwell who people may have suspicions about. If there is another thread or project like this please let me know. If not I look forward to reading your responses and seeing the results. Thanks. This will be the first poll and will be closed on Saturday.

[yankillaz]

Tim Raines is the only sure fire Hall of Famer in this group. Based both on benchmarks as advanced stats.

[Freakshow]

1. Who they voted for - Raines
2. should be added - Deacon White
3. should be removed - Hodges

[PVNICK]

1. Trammell
2. Bagwell
3. Morris

[jjpm74]

Tim Raines is a slam dunk HOFer. The fact that he has not been elected is a travesty. Bobby Grich and Bill Dahlen are also way up there.

I agree with Freakshow that Deacon White should be one of the options up there. Jack Morris and Dick Allen are the only two I do not think deserve to be in the HoF.

[philliesfiend55]

How many players are you allowed to vote for?

Craig Biggio should be on that ballot!

[Ducati12]

Tim Raines is a slam dunk HOFer. The fact that he has not been elected is a travesty. Bobby Grich and Bill Dahlen are also way up there.

I agree with Freakshow that Deacon White should be one of the options up there. Jack Morris and Dick Allen are the only two I do not think deserve to be in the HoF.

I dont know if I agree with that statement. Bagwell and Dahlen are pretty close to slam dunk HOFers.

[leecemark]

I also agree with Freakshow. I wouldn't have a problem with most of these guys being inducted though and think several besides Raines prety obviously belong.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

How many players are you allowed to vote for?

Craig Biggio should be on that ballot!

Biggio probably wasn't included because he up for this years election.

[jjpm74]

I dont know if I agree with that statement. Bagwell and Dahlen are pretty close to slam dunk HOFers.

You didn't list Bagwell as an option and I agreed that Dahlen is pretty close to a slam dunk.

[Ducati12]

You didn't list Bagwell as an option and I agreed that Dahlen is pretty close to a slam dunk.

Wow a complete oversight on my part. Bagwell was meant to be on this list and I apologize for leaving him off. Please use the other option for Bagwell if you feel he is the best. Thanks

[dgarza]

Wow a complete oversight on my part. Bagwell was meant to be on this list and I apologize for leaving him off. Please use the other option for Bagwell if you feel he is the best. Thanks

I would have went with Bagwell then. I suppose many who already voted would have too.

[Captain Cold Nose]

1. Dahlen.
2. Bagwell
3. Clark

[Ducati12]

I know this a lot to ask but please write if they would have voted Bagwell and who you originally voted for.

[Matthew C.]

In my Hall for sure:

Bagwell - pick for #1
Caruthers
Dahlen
Simmons
Torre
Allen
Hernandez
Whtiaker
Grich
Trammel
Minnoso
Raines
Magee
Ferell
Martinez

Could go either way:

Boyer
Clark
Glasscock

No:

Morris
Hodges

Add (we need more pitchers on the list):

Cone
Saberhagen
Stieb
Tiant

Delete:

None- they are all worthe the debate

[toomanyhatz]

Who I voted for - Bagwell
Who I would've voted for were Bagwell not mentioned - Raines
Who I'd like to see added - Tommy Bond (yes, he's become something of a mission)
Who I'd like to see removed - Jack Morris (unlike folks like Grich who are underrated, he's overrated due to a couple of post-season appearances. Compares ridiculously unfavorably to Blyleven, who was a better postseason pitcher, and had to fight to get in)

[Matthew C.]

Imagine a modern NL pitcher winning 20 games six times, leading the league in IP three times (six top fours), finishing in the top seven in ERA seven times, garnered MVP votes four times, finished in the top ten in strikeouts seven times, and leading the league in complete games four times.

Now imagine the pitcher was such a good hitter, that he basically allowed your team to be the only NL team that had a DH every 5th game during most of those seasons.

That would be a modern NL version of Wes Ferrell.

For those of you that like WAR:
Ferrell accumulated 58 WAR over those nine seasons. That is 6.4 per season. This is a massive peak. Even though the rest of his career was pretty much worthless, I think that 9 years of total-baseball dominance earns him a pretty easy place in the HOF.

[PVNICK]

I think I still would pick Trammell over Bagwell if Bagwell were available.

[fenrir]

Bagwell, followed by Raines.

[jjpm74]

I'll stick with Raines. Bagwell will get in before Raines, though and deserves to be elected.

[TomBodet]

Voted for Allen but nothing wrong with Raines.

[1905 Giants]

Imagine a modern NL pitcher winning 20 games six times, leading the league in IP three times (six top fours), finishing in the top seven in ERA seven times, garnered MVP votes four times, finished in the top ten in strikeouts seven times, and leading the league in complete games four times.

Now imagine the pitcher was such a good hitter, that he basically allowed your team to be the only NL team that had a DH every 5th game during most of those seasons.

That would be a modern NL version of Wes Ferrell.

For those of you that like WAR:
Ferrell accumulated 58 WAR over those nine seasons. That is 6.4 per season. This is a massive peak. Even though the rest of his career was pretty much worthless, I think that 9 years of total-baseball dominance earns him a pretty easy place in the HOF.

Had he cracked 200 Wins, he probably would have made it. I would have voted for him at any rate.