View Poll Results: Best Player Not In The Hall

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  • Jack Morris

    0 0%
  • Bob Caruthers

    0 0%
  • Ted Simmons

    0 0%
  • Joe Torre

    1 4.17%
  • Dick Allen

    4 16.67%
  • Keith Hernandez

    1 4.17%
  • Will Clark

    0 0%
  • Gil Hodges

    1 4.17%
  • Lou Whitaker

    0 0%
  • Bobby Grich

    0 0%
  • Alan Trammell

    3 12.50%
  • Bill Dahlen

    4 16.67%
  • Ken Boyer

    0 0%
  • Minnie Minoso

    1 4.17%
  • Tim Raines

    6 25.00%
  • Sherry Magee

    0 0%
  • Wes Ferrell

    0 0%
  • Jack Glasscock

    0 0%
  • Edgar Martinez

    0 0%
  • Other

    3 12.50%
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Thread: Top Ten Players Not In Hall

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    Top Ten Players Not In Hall

    I was hoping to start a poll and get everyone's opinion. I wanted to create a new poll every 3 to 4 days and see who everyone believes are the top ten players not currently in the Hall in order. I am going to create a poll of 15-20 players, feel free to add anyone you feel I have missed. I am hoping in everyone's response they could post:

    1. Who they voted for
    2. A new candidate they believe should be added to the poll
    3. A player that should be removed from the poll

    I would like to not include steroid players along with Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose. When I say steroid players I mean players such as McGwire and Palmeiro who have been caught, not players like Bagwell who people may have suspicions about. If there is another thread or project like this please let me know. If not I look forward to reading your responses and seeing the results. Thanks. This will be the first poll and will be closed on Saturday.
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    Tim Raines is the only sure fire Hall of Famer in this group. Based both on benchmarks as advanced stats.
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    1. Who they voted for - Raines
    2. should be added - Deacon White
    3. should be removed - Hodges
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    1. Trammell
    2. Bagwell
    3. Morris

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    Tim Raines is a slam dunk HOFer. The fact that he has not been elected is a travesty. Bobby Grich and Bill Dahlen are also way up there.

    I agree with Freakshow that Deacon White should be one of the options up there. Jack Morris and Dick Allen are the only two I do not think deserve to be in the HoF.

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    How many players are you allowed to vote for?

    Craig Biggio should be on that ballot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Tim Raines is a slam dunk HOFer. The fact that he has not been elected is a travesty. Bobby Grich and Bill Dahlen are also way up there.

    I agree with Freakshow that Deacon White should be one of the options up there. Jack Morris and Dick Allen are the only two I do not think deserve to be in the HoF.
    I dont know if I agree with that statement. Bagwell and Dahlen are pretty close to slam dunk HOFers.

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    I also agree with Freakshow. I wouldn't have a problem with most of these guys being inducted though and think several besides Raines prety obviously belong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
    How many players are you allowed to vote for?

    Craig Biggio should be on that ballot!
    Biggio probably wasn't included because he up for this years election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducati12 View Post
    I dont know if I agree with that statement. Bagwell and Dahlen are pretty close to slam dunk HOFers.
    You didn't list Bagwell as an option and I agreed that Dahlen is pretty close to a slam dunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    You didn't list Bagwell as an option and I agreed that Dahlen is pretty close to a slam dunk.
    Wow a complete oversight on my part. Bagwell was meant to be on this list and I apologize for leaving him off. Please use the other option for Bagwell if you feel he is the best. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducati12 View Post
    Wow a complete oversight on my part. Bagwell was meant to be on this list and I apologize for leaving him off. Please use the other option for Bagwell if you feel he is the best. Thanks
    I would have went with Bagwell then. I suppose many who already voted would have too.

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    1. Dahlen.
    2. Bagwell
    3. Clark
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    I know this a lot to ask but please write if they would have voted Bagwell and who you originally voted for.

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    In my Hall for sure:

    Bagwell - pick for #1
    Caruthers
    Dahlen
    Simmons
    Torre
    Allen
    Hernandez
    Whtiaker
    Grich
    Trammel
    Minnoso
    Raines
    Magee
    Ferell
    Martinez

    Could go either way:

    Boyer
    Clark
    Glasscock

    No:

    Morris
    Hodges

    Add (we need more pitchers on the list):

    Cone
    Saberhagen
    Stieb
    Tiant

    Delete:

    None- they are all worthe the debate
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    Who I voted for - Bagwell
    Who I would've voted for were Bagwell not mentioned - Raines
    Who I'd like to see added - Tommy Bond (yes, he's become something of a mission)
    Who I'd like to see removed - Jack Morris (unlike folks like Grich who are underrated, he's overrated due to a couple of post-season appearances. Compares ridiculously unfavorably to Blyleven, who was a better postseason pitcher, and had to fight to get in)
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    Imagine a modern NL pitcher winning 20 games six times, leading the league in IP three times (six top fours), finishing in the top seven in ERA seven times, garnered MVP votes four times, finished in the top ten in strikeouts seven times, and leading the league in complete games four times.

    Now imagine the pitcher was such a good hitter, that he basically allowed your team to be the only NL team that had a DH every 5th game during most of those seasons.

    That would be a modern NL version of Wes Ferrell.

    For those of you that like WAR:
    Ferrell accumulated 58 WAR over those nine seasons. That is 6.4 per season. This is a massive peak. Even though the rest of his career was pretty much worthless, I think that 9 years of total-baseball dominance earns him a pretty easy place in the HOF.
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    I think I still would pick Trammell over Bagwell if Bagwell were available.

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    Bagwell, followed by Raines.

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    I'll stick with Raines. Bagwell will get in before Raines, though and deserves to be elected.

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    Voted for Allen but nothing wrong with Raines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew C. View Post
    Imagine a modern NL pitcher winning 20 games six times, leading the league in IP three times (six top fours), finishing in the top seven in ERA seven times, garnered MVP votes four times, finished in the top ten in strikeouts seven times, and leading the league in complete games four times.

    Now imagine the pitcher was such a good hitter, that he basically allowed your team to be the only NL team that had a DH every 5th game during most of those seasons.

    That would be a modern NL version of Wes Ferrell.

    For those of you that like WAR:
    Ferrell accumulated 58 WAR over those nine seasons. That is 6.4 per season. This is a massive peak. Even though the rest of his career was pretty much worthless, I think that 9 years of total-baseball dominance earns him a pretty easy place in the HOF.


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