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    Rate the 2013 BBWAA candidates

    Please rate all the BBWAA candidates, listed below, using the following scale:

    5 pts: Inner circle Hall of Famer, at least in the top 3 or 4 at his position except for pitcher, when I'd go to 12-20;
    4 pts: solid Hall of Famer--few if any questions about his worthiness;
    3 pts: worthy of the Hall of Fame, but usually has some significant drawbacks to overcome;
    2 pts: has a case but short of my vote;
    1 pt: had some highlights, but well short of worthy of the Hall;
    0 pts: No way!

    I'll add another 5 points for being on the ballot to your evaluation to get his score, and publish the results before the results of the BBWAA election are released on 1/9.

    The list of players:

    Sandy Alomar Jr.
    Jeff Bagwell
    Craig Biggio
    Barry Bonds
    Jeff Cirillo
    Royce Clayton
    Roger Clemens
    Jeff Conine
    Steve Finley
    Julio Franco
    Shawn Green
    Roberto Hernandez
    Ryan Klesko
    Kenny Lofton
    Edgar Martinez
    Don Mattingly
    Fred McGriff
    Mark McGwire
    Jose Mesa
    Jack Morris
    Dale Murphy (15th election)
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Mike Piazza
    Tim Raines
    Reggie Sanders
    Curt Schilling
    Aaron Sele
    Lee Smith
    Sammy Sosa
    Mike Stanton
    Alan Trammell
    Larry Walker
    Todd Walker
    David Wells
    Rondell White
    Bernie Williams
    Woody Williams
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    Sandy Alomar Jr. 2
    Jeff Bagwell 4
    Craig Biggio 4
    Barry Bonds 5
    Jeff Cirillo 1
    Royce Clayton 0
    Roger Clemens 5
    Jeff Conine 2
    Steve Finley 2
    Julio Franco 2
    Shawn Green 2
    Roberto Hernandez 1
    Ryan Klesko 1
    Kenny Lofton 2
    Edgar Martinez 3
    Don Mattingly 3
    Fred McGriff 2
    Mark McGwire 3
    Jose Mesa 1
    Jack Morris 2
    Dale Murphy 3
    Rafael Palmeiro 2
    Mike Piazza 4
    Tim Raines 4
    Reggie Sanders 2
    Curt Schilling 3
    Aaron Sele 1
    Lee Smith 2
    Sammy Sosa 2
    Mike Stanton 1
    Alan Trammell 4
    Larry Walker 3
    Todd Walker 0
    David Wells 3
    Rondell White 1
    Bernie Williams 3
    Woody Williams 0
    Last edited by jjpm74; 12-03-2012 at 03:51 PM.

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    Sandy Alomar Jr. 1
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    Jeff Cirillo 0
    Royce Clayton 0
    Roger Clemens 5
    Jeff Conine 1
    Steve Finley 2
    Julio Franco 2
    Shawn Green 2
    Roberto Hernandez 1
    Ryan Klesko 0
    Kenny Lofton 2
    Edgar Martinez 2
    Don Mattingly 1
    Fred McGriff 3
    Mark McGwire 3
    Jose Mesa 0
    Jack Morris 2
    Dale Murphy 2
    Rafael Palmeiro 3
    Mike Piazza 5
    Tim Raines 4
    Reggie Sanders 1
    Curt Schilling 3
    Aaron Sele 0
    Lee Smith 1
    Sammy Sosa 3
    Mike Stanton 0
    Alan Trammell 4
    Larry Walker 3
    Todd Walker 0
    David Wells 2
    Rondell White 0
    Bernie Williams 2
    Woody Williams 0
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    Royce Clayton 0
    Roger Clemens 5
    Jeff Conine 0
    Steve Finley 1
    Julio Franco 1
    Shawn Green 0
    Roberto Hernandez 0
    Ryan Klesko 0
    Kenny Lofton 4
    Edgar Martinez 4
    Don Mattingly 2
    Fred McGriff 2
    Mark McGwire 4
    Jose Mesa 0
    Jack Morris 0
    Dale Murphy 2
    Rafael Palmeiro 3
    Mike Piazza 4
    Tim Raines 4
    Reggie Sanders 2
    Curt Schilling 5
    Aaron Sele 0
    Lee Smith 2
    Sammy Sosa 3
    Mike Stanton 0
    Alan Trammell 4
    Larry Walker 4
    Todd Walker 0
    David Wells 2
    Rondell White 0
    Bernie Williams 2
    Woody Williams 0
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    Sandy Alomar Jr. 1
    Jeff Bagwell 4
    Craig Biggio 4
    Barry Bonds 4
    Jeff Cirillo 1
    Royce Clayton 0
    Roger Clemens 4
    Jeff Conine 1
    Steve Finley 2
    Julio Franco 2
    Shawn Green 1
    Roberto Hernandez 1
    Ryan Klesko 1
    Kenny Lofton 3
    Edgar Martinez 3
    Don Mattingly 2
    Fred McGriff 2
    Mark McGwire 3
    Jose Mesa 0
    Jack Morris 2
    Dale Murphy (15th election) 2
    Rafael Palmeiro 2
    Mike Piazza 5
    Tim Raines 4
    Reggie Sanders 1
    Curt Schilling 3
    Aaron Sele 1
    Lee Smith 2
    Sammy Sosa 3
    Mike Stanton 1
    Alan Trammell 4
    Larry Walker 3
    Todd Walker 0
    David Wells 1
    Rondell White 0
    Bernie Williams 2
    Woody Williams 0
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    Sandy Alomar Jr. - 0
    Jeff Bagwell - 4
    Craig Biggio - 4
    Barry Bonds - 5
    Jeff Cirillo - 0
    Royce Clayton - 0
    Roger Clemens - 5
    Jeff Conine - 0
    Steve Finley - 2
    Julio Franco - 2
    Shawn Green - 0
    Roberto Hernandez - 0
    Ryan Klesko - 0
    Kenny Lofton - 3
    Edgar Martinez - 4
    Don Mattingly - 2
    Fred McGriff - 2
    Mark McGwire - 4
    Jose Mesa - 0
    Jack Morris - 2
    Dale Murphy (15th election) - 2
    Rafael Palmeiro - 3
    Mike Piazza - 4
    Tim Raines - 4
    Reggie Sanders - 1
    Curt Schilling - 4
    Aaron Sele - 0
    Lee Smith - 2
    Sammy Sosa- 4
    Mike Stanton - 0
    Alan Trammell - 4
    Larry Walker - 4
    Todd Walker - 0
    David Wells - 2
    Rondell White - 0
    Bernie Williams - 2
    Woody Williams -0
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    Jeff Cirillo 0
    Royce Clayton 0
    Roger Clemens 4
    Jeff Conine 1
    Steve Finley 1
    Julio Franco 2
    Shawn Green 2
    Roberto Hernandez 0
    Ryan Klesko 0
    Kenny Lofton 3
    Edgar Martinez 3
    Don Mattingly 3
    Fred McGriff 3
    Mark McGwire 3
    Jose Mesa 1
    Jack Morris 3
    Dale Murphy (15th election) 3
    Rafael Palmeiro 3
    Mike Piazza 5
    Tim Raines 4
    Reggie Sanders 1
    Curt Schilling 3
    Aaron Sele 1
    Lee Smith 3
    Sammy Sosa 3
    Mike Stanton 1
    Alan Trammell 3
    Larry Walker 3
    Todd Walker 0
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    For the project, scores of 7.75 or above will be regarded as indicating we believe the individual is worthy of induction. I come up with that number based on 75% 3's (in) and 25% 2's (out), which matches the HOF requirement of 75% of the vote.
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    I like this application of the 1-5 rating system.

    Sandy Alomar Jr. (0) - The guy was a very good defensive catcher, but c'mon.
    Jeff Bagwell (4) - Once rated 5th best all time I believe... now more like top dozen at 1B.
    Craig Biggio (4) - Was he clean? Who knows. But he has no 'cloud' over him. Easy choice.
    Barry Bonds (5) - Case by case basis... this guy was a great player before he blew up like a balloon.
    Jeff Cirillo (1) - Usually accompanied the phrase "professional hitter". Also played some D. Not a HOFer.
    Royce Clayton (0) - Major league shortstop. Next.
    Roger Clemens (5) - HOFer before he went to Toronto.
    Jeff Conine (0) - Just a guy who filled out rosters most years.
    Steve Finley (2) - Close to a "3" score. Underrated center fielder.
    Julio Franco (2) - Played forever. His career as a SS/2B was pretty valuable though.
    Shawn Green (1) - Respectable numbers, had some big time power seasons. Suspected 'roider but not implicated to my knowledge.
    Roberto Hernandez (2) - Enough of a career as a closer to get past "1", but he did not compile / was not dominant enough.
    Ryan Klesko (0) - DH playing in the NL. Another .500 slugger in the steroid era, ho-hum.
    Kenny Lofton (3) - Here's the guy this ballot who will be one and done, and who should get a better look.
    Edgar Martinez (3) - Tremendous hitter. Best DH in history, if you don't count players like Frank Thomas. No suspicions either.
    Don Mattingly (3) - Kind of comparable to Frank Chance, but no player-managing. Borderline 2/3 for me.
    Fred McGriff (3) - Would not shame the HOF at all.
    Mark McGwire (3) - People are selling this guy short; he would be viewed as an easy "5". But it's near impossible to project his career because nearly all of it was spent on the juice.
    Jose Mesa (0) - He was a major league closer. Next.
    Jack Morris (2) - Not a Morris fan; was not one of the best pitchers of the 80s, was not the consistent big-game pitcher he is made out to be.
    Dale Murphy (3) - Somewhere around 15th best CFer. On the bubble. I like him.
    Rafael Palmeiro (3) - Feel bad for this guy, and really I shouldn't. Docked a point for roiding.
    Mike Piazza (4) - Some rumors regarding roids but nothing substantial. See: Jeff Bagwell. Best hitting catcher of all time, not counting Josh Gibson.
    Tim Raines (4) - One of the guys that really needs stumping.
    Reggie Sanders (1) - Quietly put together a fine career. Not suspected as far as I know.
    Curt Schilling (4) - An absolutely filthy pitcher who put it together too late to be an inner circle HOFer.
    Aaron Sele (0) - Uh... what?
    Lee Smith (3) - Admirable relief choice. I've got no qualms with his election.
    Sammy Sosa (3) - Pretty clear track record showing he roided to stardom. Only saving grace for me is that it happened before the MLB sanctions were handed out.
    Mike Stanton (0) - Lefty setup man. Next.
    Alan Trammell (4) - Unfortunate byproduct of Ripken and Smith's stardom.
    Larry Walker (4) - The guy was a five tool player, and not suspected to my knowledge.
    Todd Walker (0) - ...
    David Wells (2) - There are definitely pitchers in the HOF who had worse careers than Wells.
    Rondell White (0) - Apart from being barely good enough to qualify for the list, he was named in the Mitchell Report.
    Bernie Williams (3) - Was he really that bad a fielder to offset his superb hitting? Big fan of Williams; still he's a borderline guy.
    Woody Williams (0) - Major league starter. Next. Oh wait, were done. Well...
    Last edited by J W; 12-04-2012 at 01:00 AM.

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    Steve Finley 1
    Julio Franco 2
    Shawn Green 1
    Roberto Hernandez 1
    Ryan Klesko 1
    Kenny Lofton 3
    Edgar Martinez 3
    Don Mattingly 2
    Fred McGriff 3
    Mark McGwire 4
    Jose Mesa 1
    Jack Morris 3
    Dale Murphy 3
    Rafael Palmeiro 3
    Mike Piazza 5
    Tim Raines 4
    Reggie Sanders 1
    Curt Schilling 3
    Aaron Sele 0
    Lee Smith 3
    Sammy Sosa 3
    Mike Stanton 0
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    Jeff Bagwell 5
    Craig Biggio 3
    Barry Bonds 5
    Jeff Cirillo 0
    Royce Clayton 0
    Roger Clemens 5
    Jeff Conine 0
    Steve Finley 3
    Julio Franco 1
    Shawn Green 3
    Roberto Hernandez 0
    Ryan Klesko 0
    Kenny Lofton 2
    Edgar Martinez 4
    Don Mattingly 1
    Fred McGriff 4
    Mark McGwire 5
    Jose Mesa 0
    Jack Morris 3
    Dale Murphy 3
    Rafael Palmeiro 5
    Mike Piazza 5
    Tim Raines 3
    Reggie Sanders 3
    Curt Schilling 5
    Aaron Sele 0
    Lee Smith 3
    Sammy Sosa 5
    Mike Stanton 0
    Alan Trammell 3
    Larry Walker 4
    Todd Walker 0
    David Wells 3
    Rondell White 0
    Bernie Williams 2
    Woody Williams 0
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    Sandy Alomar Jr. 2
    Jeff Bagwell 5
    Craig Biggio 5
    Barry Bonds 5
    Jeff Cirillo 1
    Royce Clayton 1
    Roger Clemens 5
    Jeff Conine 2
    Steve Finley 2
    Julio Franco 2
    Shawn Green 2
    Roberto Hernandez 1
    Ryan Klesko 1
    Kenny Lofton 3
    Edgar Martinez 4
    Don Mattingly 3
    Fred McGriff 4
    Mark McGwire 4
    Jose Mesa 2
    Jack Morris 4
    Dale Murphy 3
    Rafael Palmeiro 4
    Mike Piazza 5
    Tim Raines 5
    Reggie Sanders 2
    Curt Schilling 4
    Aaron Sele 1
    Lee Smith 4
    Sammy Sosa 3
    Mike Stanton 2
    Alan Trammell 5
    Larry Walker 3
    Todd Walker 1
    David Wells 2
    Rondell White 2
    Bernie Williams 3
    Woody Williams 2

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    Jeff Bagwell 4
    Craig Biggio 4
    Barry Bonds 0
    Jeff Cirillo 0
    Royce Clayton 0
    Roger Clemens 2
    Jeff Conine 0
    Steve Finley 1
    Julio Franco 2
    Shawn Green 2
    Roberto Hernandez 1
    Ryan Klesko 0
    Kenny Lofton 2
    Edgar Martinez 4
    Don Mattingly 2
    Fred McGriff 4
    Mark McGwire 1
    Jose Mesa 1
    Jack Morris 4
    Dale Murphy 3
    Rafael Palmeiro 0
    Mike Piazza 5
    Tim Raines 3
    Reggie Sanders 1
    Curt Schilling 4
    Aaron Sele 0
    Lee Smith 3
    Sammy Sosa 0
    Mike Stanton 0
    Alan Trammell 3
    Larry Walker 3
    Todd Walker 1
    David Wells 2
    Rondell White 0
    Bernie Williams 2
    Woody Williams 0

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    Steve Finley 2
    Julio Franco 3
    Shawn Green 2
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    Ryan Klesko 1
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    Edgar Martinez 4
    Don Mattingly 4
    Fredd McGriff 4
    Mark McGwire 4
    Jose Mesa 1
    Jack Morris 3
    Dale Murphy 3
    Rafael Palmeiro 3
    Mike Piazza 5
    Tim Raines 4
    Reggie Sanders 1
    Curt Schilling 4
    Aaron Sele 0
    Lee Smith 3
    Sammy Sosa 2
    Alan Trammell 4
    Larry Walker3
    ToddWalker 0
    David Wells 3
    Rondell White 0
    Bernie Williams 3
    Woody Williams 0
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
    Sandy Alomar Jr. 1
    ......
    Alan Trammell 4
    Todd Walker 0
    David Wells 3
    Bernie Williams 3
    Woody Williams 0
    CWS, you skipped one guy who won't matter much, Rondell White, but one of significance in Larry Walker. Please give me your ratings for those two. Thanks. I'll also PM you on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalbright View Post
    CWS, you skipped one guy who won't matter much, Rondell White, but one of significance in Larry Walker. Please give me your ratings for those two. Thanks. I'll also PM you on this.
    I corrected my ballot. Larry walker 3, Rondell White 0
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
    I corrected my ballot. Larry walker 3, Rondell White 0
    Thank you.
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    Hmm I"ve seen a variation of this before. I like it though

    Sandy Alomar Jr. 1
    Jeff Bagwell 4
    Craig Biggio 4
    Barry Bonds 5
    Jeff Cirillo 0
    Royce Clayton 1
    Roger Clemens 5
    Jeff Conine 1
    Steve Finley 1
    Julio Franco 1
    Shawn Green 2
    Roberto Hernandez 1
    Ryan Klesko 1
    Kenny Lofton 3
    Edgar Martinez 3
    Don Mattingly 2
    Fred McGriff 3
    Mark McGwire 5
    Jose Mesa 1
    Jack Morris 4
    Dale Murphy (15th election) 4
    Rafael Palmeiro 4
    Mike Piazza 4
    Tim Raines 3
    Reggie Sanders 1
    Curt Schilling 3
    Aaron Sele 1
    Lee Smith 3
    Sammy Sosa 4
    Mike Stanton 1
    Alan Trammell 4
    Larry Walker 4
    Todd Walker 1
    David Wells 2
    Rondell White 0
    Bernie Williams 2
    Woody Williams 0

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    Sandy Alomar Jr. - 1
    Jeff Bagwell - 5
    Craig Biggio - 5
    Barry Bonds - 5
    Jeff Cirillo - 0
    Royce Clayton - 0
    Roger Clemens - 5
    Jeff Conine - 0
    Steve Finley - 1
    Julio Franco - 1
    Shawn Green - 1
    Roberto Hernandez - 1
    Ryan Klesko - 1
    Kenny Lofton - 3
    Edgar Martinez - 4
    Don Mattingly - 3
    Fred McGriff - 4
    Mark McGwire - 4
    Jose Mesa - 2
    Jack Morris - 3
    Dale Murphy (15th election) - 2
    Rafael Palmeiro - 3
    Mike Piazza - 5
    Tim Raines - 4
    Reggie Sanders - 1
    Curt Schilling - 4
    Aaron Sele - 2
    Lee Smith - 3
    Sammy Sosa - 3
    Mike Stanton - 1
    Alan Trammell - 4
    Larry Walker - 4
    Todd Walker - 0
    David Wells - 3
    Rondell White - 1
    Bernie Williams - 3
    Woody Williams - 0

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    Sandy Alomar Jr.- 0
    Jeff Bagwell- 5
    Craig Biggio- 4
    Barry Bonds- 5
    Jeff Cirillo- 0
    Royce Clayton- 0
    Roger Clemens- 5
    Jeff Conine- 0
    Steve Finely- 1
    Julio Franco- 2
    Shawn Green- 1
    Roberto Hernandez- 1
    Ryan Klesko- 1
    Kenny Lofton- 4
    Edgar Martinez- 4
    Don Mattingly- 3
    Fred McGriff- 3
    Mark McGwire- 4
    Jose Mesa- 1
    Jack Morris- 2
    Dale Murphy (15th election)- 2
    Rafael Palmeiro- 4
    Mike Piazza- 5
    Tim Raines- 4
    Reggie Sanders- 1
    Curt Schilling- 4
    Aaron Sele- 1
    Lee Smith- 2
    Sammy Sosa-3
    Mike Stanton- 1
    Alan Trammmell- 4
    Larry Walker- 4
    Todd Walker- 0
    David Wells- 2
    Rondell White- 0
    Berine Williams- 3
    Woody Williams- 0

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    I'll publish the ratings of all votes before the HOF announcement at 2 pm EST later this afternoon, as I do not have the data handy.
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    Sandy Alomar Jr.-0
    Jeff Bagwell-5
    Craig Biggio-3
    Barry Bonds-5
    Jeff Cirillo-0
    Royce Clayton-0
    Roger Clemens-5
    Jeff Conine-0
    Steve Finley-0
    Julio Franco-0
    Shawn Green-0
    Roberto Hernandez-0
    Ryan Klesko-0
    Kenny Lofton-1
    Edgar Martinez-3
    Don Mattingly-1
    Fred McGriff-1
    Mark McGwire-3
    Jose Mesa-1
    Jack Morris-2
    Dale Murphy (15th election)-3
    Rafael Palmeiro-0 (I'm only punishing those who actually failed an MLB drug test and got suspended)
    Mike Piazza-4
    Tim Raines-1
    Reggie Sanders-0
    Curt Schilling-4
    Aaron Sele-0
    Lee Smith-1
    Sammy Sosa-4
    Mike Stanton-0
    Alan Trammell-3
    Larry Walker-3
    Todd Walker-0
    David Wells-0
    Rondell White-0
    Bernie Williams-1
    Woody Williams-0
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    Jeff Bagwell 4
    Craig Biggio 4
    Barry Bonds 5
    Jeff Cirillo 1
    Royce Clayton 0
    Roger Clemens 5
    Jeff Conine 1
    Steve Finley 1
    Julio Franco 1
    Shawn Green 1
    Roberto Hernandez 0
    Ryan Klesko 0
    Kenny Lofton 2
    Edgar Martinez 2
    Don Mattingly 2
    Fred McGriff 3
    Mark McGwire 4
    Jose Mesa 0
    Jack Morris 2
    Dale Murphy (15th election) 2
    Rafael Palmeiro 4
    Mike Piazza 5
    Tim Raines 3
    Reggie Sanders 0
    Curt Schilling 2
    Aaron Sele 0
    Lee Smith 2
    Sammy Sosa 3
    Mike Stanton 0
    Alan Trammell 2
    Larry Walker 3
    Todd Walker 0
    David Wells 1
    Rondell White 0
    Bernie Williams 2
    Woody Williams 0
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  24. #24
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    I know its late but people are still submitting and I'm opinionated today

    Sandy Alomar Jr. 0 - technically I should say 1 since some highlights but I took some to mean more than a season or two and the priviledge of being a Met
    Jeff Bagwell 5 - my 4-6 1B
    Craig Biggio 4 - kinda a 5 but he's back end of top 10 region 2B
    Barry Bonds 5 - by the late 90s he was at worst #5 all time LF
    Jeff Cirillo - 0
    Royce Clayton - 0
    Roger Clemens 5 - I'm really creeped out by this one
    Jeff Conine - 0
    Steve Finley - 1 classic complier, very solid player who spiked when things spiked and had a long career
    Julio Franco - 1 I can't say "has a case" despite the batting title
    Shawn Green - 2 these mid 90s-mid 00s spike guys just turn me off
    Roberto Hernandez - 0
    Ryan Klesko - 1
    Kenny Lofton - 3
    Edgar Martinez - 4
    Don Mattingly - 3 (maybe a 2)
    Fred McGriff - 4 OK maybe just to me but he was perhaps the premier sliugger from late 80s to the strike, several HR titles and to @ 1993 better rate and counting numbers than the great McGwire. Also a big late season acquisition pickup by Atlanta early in the 90s who had some post season moments albeit on losing teams.
    Mark McGwire - 2 (see above)
    Jose Mesa - 0
    Jack Morris - 3 could be 2 and yes considring how snide I am about him maybe it should be
    Dale Murphy (15th election) - 3 I typed 4 at first must have time capsuled back 25 years
    Rafael Palmeiro - 2 even taking his jump from Mark Grace lite to Eddie Murray+ at face value he still finishes @ 15-25 all time for me at 1B
    Mike Piazza - 5
    Tim Raines - 4 though obviously there are doubts or he would be in but still
    Reggie Sanders - 1 thought he was gonna be the next Eric Davis it never worked out that waay for either of them
    Curt Schilling - 3
    Aaron Sele - 0
    Lee Smith - 2 I would say one because I am meh on "closeers" but he came a bit before that role got so stat oriented
    Sammy Sosa - 2 I'm sorry but he's a fraud and its my opinion, at any rate he taken at face value doesn't crack my top 15 RF
    Mike Stanton - 0
    Alan Trammell - 4 see Raines, Tim
    Larry Walker - 4 I like his 1992 season as the mark of his greatness
    Todd Walker - 0
    David Wells - 1
    Rondell White - 0
    Bernie Williams - 3
    Woody Williams - 0

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    We had 18 votes, and I'll first list the results alphabetically. Please note 7.75 is the cutoff for Hall of Fame worthiness in this approach:

    5.78 Sandy Alomar Jr.
    9.39 Jeff Bagwell
    8.94 Craig Biggio
    9.61 Barry Bonds
    5.39 Jeff Cirillo
    5.11 Royce Clayton
    9.72 Roger Clemens
    5.56 Jeff Conine
    6.44 Steve Finley
    6.61 Julio Franco
    6.39 Shawn Green
    5.67 Roberto Hernandez
    5.50 Ryan Klesko
    7.72 Kenny Lofton
    8.39 Edgar Martinez
    7.33 Don Mattingly
    8.00 Fred McGriff
    8.50 Mark McGwire
    5.67 Jose Mesa
    7.56 Jack Morris
    7.67 Dale Murphy
    7.83 Rafael Palmeiro
    9.67 Mike Piazza
    8.67 Tim Raines
    6.17 Reggie Sanders
    8.61 Curt Schilling
    5.44 Aaron Sele
    7.44 Lee Smith
    7.94 Sammy Sosa
    5.67 Mike Stanton
    8.50 Alan Trammell
    8.50 Larry Walker
    5.17 Todd Walker
    7.00 David Wells
    5.22 Rondell White
    7.33 Bernie Williams
    5.17 Woody Williams


    Now, highest score to lowest:

    9.72 Roger Clemens
    9.67 Mike Piazza
    9.61 Barry Bonds
    9.39 Jeff Bagwell
    8.94 Craig Biggio
    8.67 Tim Raines
    8.61 Curt Schilling
    8.50 Mark McGwire
    8.50 Alan Trammell
    8.50 Larry Walker
    8.39 Edgar Martinez
    8.00 Fred McGriff
    7.94 Sammy Sosa
    7.83 Rafael Palmeiro
    ==== ============
    7.72 Kenny Lofton
    7.67 Dale Murphy
    7.56 Jack Morris
    7.44 Lee Smith
    7.33 Don Mattingly
    7.33 Bernie Williams
    7.00 David Wells
    6.61 Julio Franco
    6.44 Steve Finley
    6.39 Shawn Green
    6.17 Reggie Sanders
    5.78 Sandy Alomar Jr.
    5.67 Roberto Hernandez
    5.67 Jose Mesa
    5.67 Mike Stanton
    5.56 Jeff Conine
    5.50 Ryan Klesko
    5.44 Aaron Sele
    5.39 Jeff Cirillo
    5.22 Rondell White
    5.17 Todd Walker
    5.17 Woody Williams
    5.11 Royce Clayton
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