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    I'm getting a sinking feeling Votto has been talking to fellow Dayton Dragon alum Adam Dunn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
    I'm getting a sinking feeling Votto has been talking to fellow Dayton Dragon alum Adam Dunn.
    Dunn could only dream of hitting .289.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Dunn could only dream of hitting .289.
    Now, yes. 10 years ago, though . . .

    Don't get me wrong, Votto is well ahead of Dunn at this point in their respective careers. But I do believe there is such a thing as being too patient at the plate. Getting on base is good, naturally. One base at a time, though, doesn't always translate positively.

    I'm just hoping he settles back into that swing of his. It's a big reason the Reds became contenders again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
    Now, yes. 10 years ago, though . . .

    Don't get me wrong, Votto is well ahead of Dunn at this point in their respective careers. But I do believe there is such a thing as being too patient at the plate. Getting on base is good, naturally. One base at a time, though, doesn't always translate positively.

    I'm just hoping he settles back into that swing of his. It's a big reason the Reds became contenders again.
    I admire Votto's willingness to sacrifice the glory stats like RBI and focus entirely on not making outs, which should be a hitter's number 1 priority. Brandon Phillips has certainly reaped some benefits from Votto constantly being on base in front if him. Phillips is on pace for 189 RBI this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    I admire Votto's willingness to sacrifice the glory stats like RBI and focus entirely on not making outs, which should be a hitter's number 1 priority. Brandon Phillips has certainly reaped some benefits from Votto constantly being on base in front if him. Phillips is on pace for 189 RBI this year.
    If focusing on not making outs means never moving the bat from your shoulder, it's not overly admirable, especially when your team starts losing. It doesn't work for Dunn and I'm not convinced this is the best route to take when you're the best hitter on the team who has more to offer at the plate than keeping the bat on his shoulder while umpires refuse to call strikes.

    It's way to early for me to even lift an eyebrow about what pace players are on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
    If focusing on not making outs means never moving the bat from your shoulder, it's not overly admirable, especially when your team starts losing. It doesn't work for Dunn and I'm not convinced this is the best route to take when you're the best hitter on the team who has more to offer at the plate than keeping the bat on his shoulder while umpires refuse to call strikes.

    It's way to early for me to even lift an eyebrow about what pace players are on.
    That's not Votto.

    He swings the bat plenty and does lots of damage when he does. He just won't swing at bad pitches.

    Votto was top-6 in the league in base hits in 2010 and 2011. He led the league in doubles in 2011 and would have easily led again last year if not for getting hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    That's not Votto.

    He swings the bat plenty and does lots of damage when he does. He just won't swing at bad pitches.
    Hey, it worked for Ted Williams-"Get a good pitch to hit".
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    That's not Votto.

    He swings the bat plenty and does lots of damage when he does. He just won't swing at bad pitches.

    Votto was top-6 in the league in base hits in 2010 and 2011. He led the league in doubles in 2011 and would have easily led again last year if not for getting hurt.
    I know that's not Votto. That's the point. I don't want him to turn into an Adam Dunn "I won't swing, especially with runners on" type.

    My thought is he might still be feeling some lingering affects from the injury, mental or otherwise. I don't mind all the getting on base, but I want the pre-injury Votto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Since 1916 anyway...

    Most walks through first 12 team games:

    22 - Mickey Mantle 1962
    21 - Max Bishop 1929
    20 - Joey Votto 2013
    20 - Ted Williams 1947
    20 - Rickey Henderson 1982
    19 - Kevin Maas 1991
    19 - George Brett 1986
    19 - Gary Sheffield 1997
    I'm shocked that Bonds isn't on that list several times. His March/April 2004 he had a .696 OBP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
    I'm shocked that Bonds isn't on that list several times. His March/April 2004 he had a .696 OBP.
    Somehow Bonds only walked 13 times through the first 12 games in 2004. He did bat .500 though...
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    I just noticed that the average number of walks per game was 3.03 last year, which is the lowest total since the true Year of the Pitcher, 1968. It's up a bit this year so far, but I'm guessing that we'll have 4-5 guys this year with 100 walks. Votto would have done it last year if he hadn't gotten hurt, and he'll surely do it this year if he stays healthy. Heck, he's already halfway there.

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