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    2013 Rotation

    So as of this morning, the rotation looks this way: Kershaw, Greinke, Ryu, Beckett, Billingsley. If C-Bill and Beckett can bounce back to close to their old selves, and Ryu can make the adjustment to facing MLB hitters, this will be the premier rotation in MLB. If . . .
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    Do you think they will start with Ryu straight off? I presume he will be tested at Spring Training to ensure he is up to speed to start immediately.
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    What about Capuno, they could have a lights out bullpen too.
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    Capuano will be gone. Ryu should start season with big club. He is experienced and has pitched against quality teams in WBC. I cannot speak for the quality of the KBA, but I believe he will begin season in MLB. I do hate to see Capuano go, however. Like the guy and think he's a battler. I feel the same way about him as I do Derek Lowe, and that is a big compliment.
    That all said, I would've loved for the Dodgers to have signed Dickey to a 3-year deal.
    "I became a good pitcher when I stopped trying to make them miss the ball and started trying to make them hit it." - Sandy Koufax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
    What about Capuno, they could have a lights out bullpen too.
    FYI, I LOVE your dig about the ChiSox. Ain't that the truth!
    "I became a good pitcher when I stopped trying to make them miss the ball and started trying to make them hit it." - Sandy Koufax.

    "My name is Yasiel Puig. I am from Cuba. I am 21 years old. Thank you."

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    So I was reading a blog post by a friend who is also a Big Dodger fan making his case for the Dodgers getting Brian Wilson. I was oh NO! that would be sacrilege. A Giant! I don't think I can see Wilson's ugly face in Dodger Blue. What do you guys think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crzblue View Post
    So I was reading a blog post by a friend who is also a Big Dodger fan making his case for the Dodgers getting Brian Wilson. I was oh NO! that would be sacrilege. A Giant! I don't think I can see Wilson's ugly face in Dodger Blue. What do you guys think?
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    He's a good pitcher, who cares what team he played for.

    Jeff Kent did well in LA, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crzblue View Post
    So I was reading a blog post by a friend who is also a Big Dodger fan making his case for the Dodgers getting Brian Wilson. I was oh NO! that would be sacrilege. A Giant! I don't think I can see Wilson's ugly face in Dodger Blue. What do you guys think?
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    I would be fine with him if he's effective. I think his arm may be cooked though. Double TJ surgery is a tough road of recovery.
    What's the latest on Jansen? I've read nothing on him all off-season.
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    I don't know about Wilson's condition, but if the Brooklyn Dodgers could acquire Sal Maglie, we LA Dodger fans can stand to have Brian Wilson if he helps us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Green View Post
    I don't know about Wilson's condition, but if the Brooklyn Dodgers could acquire Sal Maglie, we LA Dodger fans can stand to have Brian Wilson if he helps us.
    Irony: Maglie was "The Barber" and Wison needs to visit one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhss89 View Post
    Irony: Maglie was "The Barber" and Wison needs to visit one.
    LOL. My brother feels the same way that if he can help the bully he welcomes him. I have not heard about Kenley. I hated hearing that Belisario was taken off the Venezuelan team for disciplanary actions.

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    Belisario seems to have trouble making good choices.
    "I became a good pitcher when I stopped trying to make them miss the ball and started trying to make them hit it." - Sandy Koufax.

    "My name is Yasiel Puig. I am from Cuba. I am 21 years old. Thank you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnakamura View Post
    A sight for sore eyes
    Wow, great picture! I saw him on ESPN the other day walking around and shaking hands with the guys working out, but this photo of Sandy in uniform is awesome! My favorite part of the Spring since I was a kid back in the 80s was trying to see Sandy Koufax working with pitchers!
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    http://filihok.blogspot.com/2013/03/...-rotation.html

    I decided to take a look at some of the guys fighting for...what are they fighting for? I was going to say they were fighting for rotation spots with the Dodgers this season, but they really aren't. The Dodgers' 1 through 5 will almost certainly be:
    Clayton Kershaw
    Zack Greinke
    Hyun-Jin Ryu
    Chad Billingsley
    Josh Beckett

    That still leaves Aaron Harang, Chris Capuano and Ted Lilly with no real defined roles.

    FanGraphs provides multiple projections for most players who have a shot of playing in the majors this year. I've done a weighted average of those projections for each of the above 3 players

    Harang: 151 innings, 6.61 K/9, 3.54 BB/9, 4.31 ERA and 0.9 WAR (1.3 WAR per 180 IP)
    Capuano: 168 innings, 7.41 K/9, 2.56 BB/9, 3.83 ERA and 2.2 WAR (2.4 WAR per 180 IP)
    Lilly: 120 innings, 6.96 K/9, 2.62 BB/9, 3.87 ERA and 0.7 WAR (1.1 WAR per 180 IP)

    Capuano is certainly the best of the bunch. As such, he's the one you'd most want to keep around. As such, he's the one with the most trade value. He's also likely the best option out of the bullpen. His health maybe of some concern. He has a sordid injury history.

    Harang doesn't look to be anything special. But he's healthy. If any of the Dodgers top 5 starters go down with injury (and simple probability tells us that they will. Not to mention that Billingsley's elbow is hanging by a thread and Beckett's back is constantly balky (plus Kershaw had hip issues at the end of last year and Greinke's having elbow problems this spring)) then having a healthy pitcher to replace them with could be a bonus.

    Lilly isn't a bad pitcher when healthy. But his arm appears to be pretty shredded. You wouldn't want to have to rely on Lilly after already losing a top starter. His control/fly ball/crafty-lefty ways probably aren't best suited to the bullpen.

    Spring training stats are mostly meaningless, but let's look at them anyway:
    Capuano's managed 15 innings with 3 walks and 14 strike outs. That's not bad. 5 home runs, though, have pushed his spring ERA up to 7.20.

    Harang has pitched 13 and a third innings with 5 walks and 8 strike outs. That's not good. It's not horrific, though. He's given up 24 hits - that's close to horrific - and 8.10 ERA.

    Lilly's only managed 6 and two thirds innings this spring with 5 walks and 5 strike outs. That's bad. The 11 hits, 7 earned runs and 9.45 ERA are bad as well.


    I don't pretend to have any idea what LA will decide to do with these guys. Likely an "injury" to a pitcher or two will appear before the season starts so the Dodgers can put a guy on the DL for a few weeks - buying a bit more time to make a decision.

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    $26M committed to Harang, Lilly & Capuano this year to basically pitch out of the pen.

    Time to find a trade partner I think and try to get some kind of return for a future need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post
    $26M committed to Harang, Lilly & Capuano this year to basically pitch out of the pen.

    Time to find a trade partner I think and try to get some kind of return for a future need.
    Capuano has value
    Harang might have some
    Lilly probably doesn't (though, Ned has surprised as he was able to turn Juan Pierre and Dana Eveland into something near usable pieces).

    Stephen Fife is next on the depth chart. Not much after him. LA will have to keep at least 2 of these guys.
    They might DL Lilly or release him.

    I imagine Harang and Capuano will stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filihok View Post
    I imagine Harang and Capuano will stay.
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    http://filihok.blogspot.com/2013/04/...n-jin-ryu.html


    Hyun-Jin Ryu's first major league appearance was...

    ...interesting.


    He went 6 and a third innings. That's good.

    He gave up 1 earned run. That's good.

    He didn't walk anybody. That's good.

    He struck out 5. That's good.

    He induced 11 groundballs and only 3 fly balls. That's good.

    He gave up 10 hits. That's not so good.

    He only had a single 1-2-3 inning. That's not so good.

    He gave up 2 unearned runs. Not so good.


    The overall numbers on Ryu might look ok: 0 - 1 with a 1.42 ERA, 7.1 K/9 and a infinite K/BB ration. But we know he didn't pitch that well. Using Tom Tango's Batted Ball FIP, Ryu would have been expected to give up 3.64 runs per 9 innings. That's certainly doable. That's mostly due to the high number of groundballs (11 of 20 batted balls, 55%). 6 line drives (30%) is pretty high. That'll have to come down. Too many Giant hitters were squaring him up. If he keeps getting hit like that, he won't be successful.

    Ryu faced 26 hitters and K'd 5 of them. That's 19%. The average NL starter (they get to face pitchers while AL pitchers face DH's) K'd 19.2% of the hitters they faced last season. So Ryu is right about average in that (through 1 game). The walk rate is great (through 1 game).

    Ryu induced 9 swings and misses - 11% of Ryu's pitches induced a swing and miss. Major league average last year was 9%. Again, Ryu looks about average with his stuff.

    Ryu threw 80 pitches. 55 were strikes. That's a 69% rate. All major league starters through strikes 63% of the time last season. Ryu threw a good number of strikes, not a great number. Not a number that would make one think that Ryu would go the entire season without walking a batter.

    According to Brooks Baseball, Ryu threw:
    43 4-seam fastballs. They averaged 89.2 MPH with the fastest coming in at 92.3 MPH
    7 2-seam fastaballs. They averaged 89.5 MPH with the fastest coming in at 91.4 MPH
    23 changeups. They averaged 80.8 MPH. That's about an 8 MPH difference from his fastball.
    7 curveballs. They averaged 69.9 MPH.

    The changeup was tabbed as Ryu's best pitch. He threw it 23 times and Giant hitters swung and missed 4 times (18%).

    Felix Hernandez also has a pretty good changeup. Hitters have swung on and missed Felix's changeup about 20.5% of the time in his career.

    So Ryu's not Felix Hernandez. I don't think anyone expected that.

    Ryu looked like an average to slightly above pitcher with his command and ability to generate swings and misses. If he can continue getting ground balls that translates into a pretty good pitcher.

    If he keeps giving up line drives it's going to be a rough season.

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    Now that dumb@$$ Quentin has injured Greinke, I guess it will come down to either rushing Lilly back or pulling Capuano out of the Pen. Madres are such losers.
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    "My name is Yasiel Puig. I am from Cuba. I am 21 years old. Thank you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhss89 View Post
    Madres are such losers.
    Nice misogynist pejorative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filihok View Post
    Nice misogynist pejorative.
    Take a tough pill filihok. Nothing against mothers. Meant to be read in context. Wow.
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    It is amazing to me that certain individuals on the other thread can be so senseless regarding this brutal, ridiculous, and thuggish attack. I would find it just as offensive and worth a huge fine/suspension if it happened to anyone's ace on any other team. This type of adolescent behavior should NOT be tolerated at all by MLB. Apparently some just want to revel in the misfortune of others. That is also very adolescent, ridiculous and childish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhss89 View Post
    Take a tough pill filihok. Nothing against mothers. Meant to be read in context. Wow.
    Of course it is something against mothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filihok View Post
    Of course it is something against mothers.
    Wait. Of course. You're correct. I'm very sorry if I've offended any mothers who post here on BBF. Okay, I hope to post again later after the game. I'm headed back to a place called Big Boy Pants Town.
    "I became a good pitcher when I stopped trying to make them miss the ball and started trying to make them hit it." - Sandy Koufax.

    "My name is Yasiel Puig. I am from Cuba. I am 21 years old. Thank you."

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