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    Moving trumbo for dickey would be a terrible mistake...trumbo has lots of potential and dickey isnt getting younger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap78 View Post
    Moving trumbo for dickey would be a terrible mistake...trumbo has lots of potential and dickey isnt getting younger
    Trumbo's overrated because he hits a lot of home runs.

    Terrible defense and OBP decreases his value

    Bourjos is a much better player

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    Quote Originally Posted by filihok View Post
    Trumbo's overrated because he hits a lot of home runs.

    Terrible defense and OBP decreases his value

    Bourjos is a much better player
    Apparently angels dont see it that way as bourjos spends most of his time on the bench...if other teams see it that way more power to them as they may keep the guy they want

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    I think the Angels will rue the day they piled all of that money onto Pujols & Hamilton. These guys aren't getting any younger, and that is a ridiculous amount of money for a long-term return on their investment. Besides, their pitching isn't All That.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zito75 View Post
    Throw in Trout and Trumbo and they are looking good... However... I'm still not sold on Pujols returning to form, I question Hamilton's health and doubt Trout can replicate last year's numbers. (I'd like to see him go off but it's not likely) But if they can get this core of guys firing on all cylinders, it doesn't matter who they have on the mound.
    From June through September, Pujols had one of the best OPS in the majors. Ended up second in the league with 80 XBH playing in a pitcher's park. He may not win any more MVP's, but I bet he will do just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Yeah, that number should improve, but Hamilton benefitted greatly from hitting in Arlington. Angels Stadium is not nearly as hitter-friendly.
    Maybe in 2008 and 2010(though he did hit the ball well on the road too), but the last two seasons his home and away splits look like this....

    Home: 518 AB, 98 R, 151 H, 31 2B, 3 3B, 36 HR, 123 RBI, 55 BB, 120 SO, .292 AVG, .354 OBP, .571 SLG, .926 OPS, .384 wOBA, 137 wRC+

    Away: 531 AB, 85 R, 154 H, 31 2B, 4 3B, 32 HR, 99 RBI, 44 BB, 135 SO, .290 AVG, .346 OBP, .544 SLG, .890 OPS, .374 wOBA, 130 wRC+

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap78 View Post
    Moving trumbo for dickey would be a terrible mistake...trumbo has lots of potential and dickey isnt getting younger
    The Mets are cash strapped, but they'd need to pay part of Dickey's salary...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew C. View Post
    From June through September, Pujols had one of the best OPS in the majors. Ended up second in the league with 80 XBH playing in a pitcher's park. He may not win any more MVP's, but I bet he will do just fine.
    We'll see. I think the Cards were smart by letting him walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Hamilton's overrated. He's a very good hitter but not a great one. I dont blame the Angels for making this deal, especially after losing Greinke, but i don't think it will work out so well for them.
    Josh is far from overated he is about 2-4 times as good as anything the Yanks have or any other team in CF for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zito75 View Post
    We'll see. I think the Cards were smart by letting him walk.
    That is a completely different discussion point all-together. Pujols could have a great 2013 and the Cards still be smart for letting him walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keystone View Post
    I think the Angels will rue the day they piled all of that money onto Pujols & Hamilton. These guys aren't getting any younger, and that is a ridiculous amount of money for a long-term return on their investment. Besides, their pitching isn't All That.
    They better win within a few years, because they will be just like the yankees soon...a bunch of old guys with contracts they dont earn

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    We are not taking the opportunity to trash the Yankees for the sake of trashing the Yankees. They have absolutely nothing to do with this deal. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
    Josh is far from overated he is about 2-4 times as good as anything the Yanks have or any other team in CF for that matter.
    Hamilton is at least twice as good as Mike Trout?? Right now, he's not even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipitch View Post
    Hamilton is at least twice as good as Mike Trout?? Right now, he's not even better.
    I disagree one season from trout an amazing season it was doesn't make him better then proven stars

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
    Josh is far from overated he is about 2-4 times as good as anything the Yanks have or any other team in CF for that matter.
    2012 WAR according to Fangraphs:
    Cano: 7.8
    Hamilton: 4.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeDJW View Post
    2012 WAR according to Fangraphs:
    Cano: 7.8
    Hamilton: 4.4
    Again, the Yankees have nothing to do with this thread. I understand feeling the need to defend your team, but this is how threads get sidetracked.

    Folks, if you're just going to call out another team or any player for the sake of calling out another team or any player, it is nothing more than trolling for arguments and flame bait. Responding is not much better. Just don't do it. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
    Again, the Yankees have nothing to do with this thread. I understand feeling the need to defend your team, but this is how threads get sidetracked.

    Folks, if you're just going to call out another team or any player for the sake of calling out another team or any player, it is nothing more than trolling for arguments and flame bait. Responding is not much better. Just don't do it. Thanks.
    Sorry. Don't mean to cause trouble. I likely would've responded no matter what team was mentioned; it just happened to be mine. I didn't even read the rest of the thread until now. Hamilton is no where near 2-4 times better than any teams best player right now, including other center fielders.

    And I like Josh Hamilton. He's one of my favorite players and I wish the Yankees landed him. Let's not go too crazy though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeDJW View Post
    Sorry. Don't mean to cause trouble. I likely would've responded no matter what team was mentioned; it just happened to be mine. I didn't even read the rest of the thread until now. Hamilton is no where near 2-4 times better than any teams best player right now, including other center fielders.

    And I like Josh Hamilton. He's one of my favorite players and I wish the Yankees landed him. Let's not go too crazy though.
    Fair enough. The comment itself certainly was fair game. A healthy Hamilton is a superstar talent, but let's not get carried away here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
    A healthy Hamilton is a superstar talent, but let's not get carried away here.
    Yes he is. I wish he would have played the second half like he did the first. He would be MVP and no TC for Miggy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
    Yes he is. I wish he would have played the second half like he did the first. He would be MVP and no TC for Miggy.
    He's what? Twice to four times as good as any center fielder in AL and every Yankee player?
    I wish Miggy could run and field better. Then he would have won the TC and no one would even question his being MVP. But Hamilton didn't play the second half like he did the first and Miggy still won the TC.
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    actually a good deal by the angels. 5 years is a good length as the contract will end when he is 37. I thought a club would be stupid enough to sign hi through age 41 like it happened to pujols and arod. a lot of money but 5 years is not too long. he still is injury prone but if he stays healthy you will likely only pay for 1 or 2 "washed up" years while with arod and pujols they likely have to pay for 5+ "washed up" years.
    I think walks are overrated unless you can run. If you get a walk and put the pitcher in a stretch, that helps, but the guy who walks and cant run, most of the time hes clogging up the bases for somebody who can run. Dusty Baker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filihok View Post
    Trumbo's overrated because he hits a lot of home runs.

    Terrible defense and OBP decreases his value

    Bourjos is a much better player
    The Angels get the most value out of Trout being one of the best defensive centerfielders in baseball. Only a handful, including Bourjos, can claim to be equal or better. I think moving Trout to left(or right) would decrease his value.

    Personally I would keep Trumbo, because he has show progress in his OBP while Bourjos seems to have regressed in hitting overall. To match Trumbo's value he would really have to pick up his basestealing, which he should be capable of with his speed. But last year in 101 games he had 3 steals. The year before he had 22(with 9 CS) in 147 games.
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    After May 12 of last season, Hamilton was only .252 .325 .493., after being Babe Ruth for a month and a half. He may be hitting a decline, but even if he is not, that's a lot of money to pay for a 135 OPS+ corner outfielder/DH. The Angels better hope he and Pujols can return to prime form, or there's gonna be a lot of angry fans.

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    Considering they won 90 games in the games toughest division, it wouldn't take many little things to go better for them to be a playoff favorite. Pujols and Hamilton do not both have to be juggernauts for them to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willshad View Post
    After May 12 of last season, Hamilton was only .252 .325 .493., after being Babe Ruth for a month and a half. He may be hitting a decline, but even if he is not, that's a lot of money to pay for a 135 OPS+ corner outfielder/DH. The Angels better hope he and Pujols can return to prime form, or there's gonna be a lot of angry fans.
    Every month last season minus June and July....

    389 AB, 81 R, 125 H, 23 2B, 1 3B, 35 HR, 101 RBI, 40 BB, 106 SO, .321 AVG, .384 OBP, .656 SLG, 1.040 OPS

    Hello June and July....

    173 AB, 22 R, 35 H, 8 2B, 1 3B, 8 HR, 27 RBI, 20 BB, 56 SO, .202 AVG, .288 OBP, .399 SLG, .687 OPS
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