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    Quote Originally Posted by clayadams View Post
    MLB is about money, and a female ball player would make MILLLLLLIONS.
    Ain't that the truth. There will indeed be a publicity machine like you wouldn't believe once a woman makes MLB.

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    baseball doesn't require the biggest, fastest, and strongest. That all helps, but it's not a requirement to be good at the game.
    Also true. So if men really are stronger than women, that's insufficient to keep women out. Are we ALL in agreement on that?
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    Also true. So if men really are stronger than women, that's insufficient to keep women out. Are we ALL in agreement on that?
    Laser, I don't really think anything is keeping women out of MLB. If there's a woman good enough to play, I guarantee you they'd be on it like white on rice. The problem occurs way down stream IMO. It goes back to what I previously said. "Girls play softball, boys play baseball." There are too many "good 'ole boys" clubs still in place. I could go into my personal experiences on the subject, both positive and negative. We're still in the early stages of our journey, so I don't know how it will play out into the future. For now, my daughter is a great combination of tomboy and girly girl. She has a determination that I've seen very few girls have. If more girls could have this level of determination, and you find the genetic freaks... it could happen. If they're not "shunned" out of playing the game to start with. I just think too many of those capable will ever be in the game. Who knows what the future may hold. For now, I'm just enjoying working with my daughter on whatever she enjoys doing.

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    Several times a girl high school pitcher that throws 85 mph has been mentioned. Her name is Sandy Almon. She graduated from high school in 2011. She now plays for the Chicago Pioneers, a women's traveling baseball team. Almon is the middle girl in the first row.

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    http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-high-sc...aseball-field/

    http://johnscreek.patch.com/articles...ne-of-the-guys

    Almon in high school.

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    I couldn't find any video of Almon pitching. But I did find this video of Almon hitting the winning three-point shot in a high school basketball game.



    According to this article in 2011, 698 girls played baseball.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/high-school/...chool-baseball
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    Someone pulling out the google foo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayadams View Post
    Someone pulling out the google foo.
    Should I post more photos of the lovely Jessica Ennis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    This guy is listed at 5'5" and 148 lbs. He once hit three home runs in one game.

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    So I'm still going with a Jessica Ennis type with baseball skills at second base. Playing second base has the shortest throw. With her speed and explosiveness just maybe she can do what Juan Pierre does?

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    um, is it me or does that guy in the first pick look very excited to hit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap78 View Post
    um, is it me or does that guy in the first pick look very excited to hit?
    Well, he doesn't look to excited in this photo.

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    Where would they change clothes before and after a game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    If there was a female ballplayer with major league potential I'm sure teams would look at her.
    Substitute black for female, and you'd be quoting Judge Landis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Laser Beam View Post
    So if men really are stronger than women, that's insufficient to keep women out. Are we ALL in agreement on that?
    If Juan Pierre can have a successful MLB career, I don't see why a woman couldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
    Substitute black for female, and you'd be quoting Judge Landis.
    Sorry, wrong answer aches. You are really reaching here. Please show us who are the modern female versions of Josh Gibson, Oscar Charleston, Satchel Paige, Jackie Robinson (remember they were teammates? ), Pop Lloyd, Smoky Joe Williams, Martin Dihigo, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Cristóbal Torriente, Louis Santop, etc. Where are all these great female ballplayers today who are ready to play in the majors right now but are being barred by MLB? We patiently await for your long list of female ballplayers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    Sorry, wrong answer aches. You are really reaching here. Please show us who are the modern female versions of Josh Gibson, Oscar Charleston, Satchel Paige, Jackie Robinson (remember they were teammates? ), Pop Lloyd, Smoky Joe Williams, Martin Dihigo, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Cristóbal Torriente, Louis Santop, etc. Where are all these great female ballplayers today who are ready to play in the majors right now but are being barred by MLB? We patiently await for your long list of female ballplayers.
    My comment was intended more in an ironic, humorous vein, but obviously it didn't come off that way. No offense meant.
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    The amount, and quality, of the discussions this subject has brought up has done a nice job of justifying my starting it, so thanks all.

    I think what it comes down to is, there is no easy answer. I think the woman that could succeed in the majors would be rare, just like the Freddie Pateks and Jose Altuves of the world are rare. They've had to face enormous prejudice as well, just in terms of our opinions of what a ballplayer 'looks like'. Every rule has an exception, though.

    My wife, who as I said inspired this thread, is still convinced that even a talented woman would be kept out by the still existing 'old boys network'. I'm not 100% convinced she's wrong, though I do think things are changing. Just slowly, as the old prejudices are more common and more deeply entrenched in sports than in other areas. I'm glad to see most people here seem to be at least positively disposed to the idea. I'd certainly like to see it in my lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
    My comment was intended more in an ironic, humorous vein, but obviously it didn't come off that way. No offense meant.
    No worries, aches. I was a bit surprised by your post. I wasn't sure it was humor or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toomanyhatz View Post
    The amount, and quality, of the discussions this subject has brought up has done a nice job of justifying my starting it, so thanks all.

    I think what it comes down to is, there is no easy answer. I think the woman that could succeed in the majors would be rare, just like the Freddie Pateks and Jose Altuves of the world are rare. They've had to face enormous prejudice as well, just in terms of our opinions of what a ballplayer 'looks like'. Every rule has an exception, though.

    My wife, who as I said inspired this thread, is still convinced that even a talented woman would be kept out by the still existing 'old boys network'. I'm not 100% convinced she's wrong, though I do think things are changing. Just slowly, as the old prejudices are more common and more deeply entrenched in sports than in other areas. I'm glad to see most people here seem to be at least positively disposed to the idea. I'd certainly like to see it in my lifetime.
    Why does she believe this? I can see if a female player was just used as a side show then the male ballplayers would probably not give the female much respect. As I mentioned before when Annika Sörenstam played a PGA Tour event she was invited, she didn't qualify. This annoyed some male pros. If she had gone to qualifying school and earned her PGA Tour card I doubt any male pros would objected much. If she qualifies then she's qualifies. I think we laid out the difficulties of a woman ballplayer playing in the majors and being a productive player. Now if Jessica Ennis could hit and field she's could help my SF Giants in the outfield. In the end I think the creation of a WMLB would be a more interesting development. I'd go see a women's major league game if they played some good ball. I'm not sure how many other people would though. The WNBA has been around since 1996 yet six teams have folded.
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    How fast can Jen Finch pitch a baseball underhand? Probably pretty damn fast. I think that is the bast chance. A pitcher.
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    Jen Finch topped out in low 70s. She wouldn't throw a baseball much faster. I played major division softball, I threw as hard as Finch, and I was never higher than 3rd in the rotation. Why? Because I didn't throw fast enough. While Finch was impressive in the lower-caliber womens game, she would be pus in the top mens division. Two women chucking in mid 60s is a pitching duel. Two men chucking in low 70s is a slugfest. That's just the way it is. The top men threw 20-25 MPH faster than Finch. Besides, put Finch at 60'6" and her speed would drop considerably.

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    Macker,

    You seem to have extensive softball experience and knowledge. Did you ever see Eddie Feigner pitch in person? How good was he?
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    I saw Feigner a few times. Earliest was in the early 70s. I also saw him near the end a couple of times, and his schtick was old and boring. I finally told his agent to stop calling me, because our league had no interest in having him back. The last time we had him, they were grooming Craig Estrada, son of former MLB pitcher Chuck Estrada, to take over as pitcher. I also saw Feigner get lit up against a group who just prior to the game said they weren't going along with the show. They played on a field with a fence, and they hit bomb after bomb off him.

    He threw hard, and had other pitches besides the fastball. The thing is, though, he was no faster than other pitchers I faced. Even in the 70s, he had some years on him, so I can believe he was lights out in his younger years, but when I saw him, he was more entertaining than great.

    As far as female pitchers, I would rather have Cat Osterman over Finch. Osterman doesn't throw as hard, but I think she's a better pitcher, better breaking balls, change, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
    I read a story of girl who was entertaining offers to either play in the minors, an indy league or Korea at something like 17. Possibly has the talent. Can't find the article.

    But I think it could happen. A pitcher. Maybe a knuckleballer. Maybe a lefty submarines loowy? ,)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipitch View Post
    The top female sprinter not only didn't beat the 7th best male, she wasn't even in the same zip code as him. She probably couldn't even beat the 1,000th fastest male sprinter. That's is how much better males are.



    They do, but they don't do it nearly as well. They hit with less power, their throws are slower, they run slower, and they don't jump as high. That's the point. Plus, those women are playing against other women, right? Just because a woman hits a 250' line-drive, it doesn't mean she could do the same vs. a male pitcher.

    Your "any one of these (women) ballplayers could hold their own against men" statement is ridiculous. They can't do it in other sports, so what makes you think they could do it in baseball? Yes, women don't play much baseball, but they do play a lot of basketball, track, hockey, etc. and the best women aren't even close to being good enough to compete with the men.
    I was an all-state basketball player in high school. I played playground games after college (played baseball). When I was about 23 I played a one on one game with a WBL (preceeded the WBA) player. I was a former high school player. She was a current professional. I killed her every game we played. The only thing she could do better than me was shoot when I left her open since she practiced shooting every day. When I got in her face she couldn't do a thing. I was too strong and too quick.

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