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    Quote Originally Posted by ipitch View Post
    Source? I see nothing about it in the Major League Constitution. Even if they do, I'm pretty confident that they'd change the rule if a woman came along that had MLB talent. They'd be crazy not to. It was big news when Annika Sorenstam played on the PGA Tour.
    Yeah, I was unaware of any rule myself.

    As for the assertion above that black players were denied based on ability, there is a pretty major difference- there were organized black leagues that played exhibitions against white players and demonstrably held their own with major league players. I'm not saying there mightn't be a few women somewhere who can play at that level, but as I've said before there are quantifiable physical differences between male and female. I'm sure it was said as a reason for discrimination, but any 'evidence' would've had to have been invented from whole cloth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toomanyhatz View Post
    Yeah, I was unaware of any rule myself.

    As for the assertion above that black players were denied based on ability, there is a pretty major difference- there were organized black leagues that played exhibitions against white players and demonstrably held their own with major league players. I'm not saying there mightn't be a few women somewhere who can play at that level, but as I've said before there are quantifiable physical differences between male and female. I'm sure it was said as a reason for discrimination, but any 'evidence' would've had to have been invented from whole cloth.
    One "assertion" was made by a former ML manager. His ML team had lost to the Cuban Giants in an exhibition game. A few years later he wrote in his newspaper column that there weren't any blacks in the majors because they weren't good enough. A few newspapers saw right through his ruse and called him on it. This was before organized black leagues.
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    If nobody picked up Jennie Finch for her combination of outstanding athletic ability and stunning good looks, I don't know what it's going to take!
    I would imagine she would have to be a lefty specialist reliever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    Good stuff! So HBT and FG people are divided - 7 no, 2 maybe, and 5 yes. I'm a maybe. I feel we need a female president more than a female knuckle ball pitcher. But if she's a looker then let the president wait a few elections until she hangs up her cleats.
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    Difference of course being it's a bit harder to argue that a woman doesn't have what it takes to be president.

    The physical differences are obvious- they've been mentioned quite a few times on this thread already- but the notion that female baseball players have peaked seems a pretty odd one. Women's bodies and skills develop based on their societal roles- any anthropologist will tell you that. Those roles are changing, hence their body development will likely follow.

    It may take hundreds of years, hence not happen in our lifetimes, but the notion that the relative skill set/body type is fixed doesn't jibe with science to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toomanyhatz View Post
    Difference of course being it's a bit harder to argue that a woman doesn't have what it takes to be president.

    The physical differences are obvious- they've been mentioned quite a few times on this thread already- but the notion that female baseball players have peaked seems a pretty odd one. Women's bodies and skills develop based on their societal roles- any anthropologist will tell you that. Those roles are changing, hence their body development will likely follow.

    It may take hundreds of years, hence not happen in our lifetimes, but the notion that the relative skill set/body type is fixed doesn't jibe with science to me.
    Excellent point! Scientists predict that women marathon runners should someday have lower times than the men, due to physiological differences. They are still 10 to 20 minutes behind the men.

    The average height for a woman in the Netherlands is nearly 5' 7" and the average male is a little over 6' tall. And that's before they put on their wooden shoes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyK View Post
    Scientists predict that women marathon runners should someday have lower times than the men, due to physiological differences.
    They said that a few decades ago, and it was supposed to have already happened.

    http://archive.coloradoan.com/articl...-marathon-gap-
    "The journal, Nature, published a paper in 1985 hypothesizing that by the year 2000, women would eventually beat men in long-distance running events. The theory was that womenís times were improving much faster than menís, and thus, the women would catch up to, and pass, the men. That hasnít happened."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipitch View Post
    They said that a few decades ago, and it was supposed to have already happened.

    http://archive.coloradoan.com/articl...-marathon-gap-
    "The journal, Nature, published a paper in 1985 hypothesizing that by the year 2000, women would eventually beat men in long-distance running events. The theory was that women’s times were improving much faster than men’s, and thus, the women would catch up to, and pass, the men. That hasn’t happened."
    As a long time runner I laughed when I read that back in the 1980's. The people positing such nonsense were essentially ignorant of history. The reason that for a time in women's distance running world records were dropping significantly was very simple. Women were not allowed to compete in races longer than 800 meters until the 1970's. The 1972 Olympics had the very first women's 1500 meter race which is still less than one mile. It wasn't until the 1984 Olympics that they had a women's 3,000 meter race and the women's marathon. The reason that the women's records dropped so fast was because the first generation of middle/long distance records were very soft. As more and more women started to compete the talent level increased significantly in a very a short time. Also, PED's were a major problem in the 1980's and 1990's. Many of the women's world records set in this time frame are simply out of reach for women today due to much more stringent drug testing.
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