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Thread: Why don't we ever see Hank Aaron listed #1 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
    Thank you! I love it! Even as someone who is 37 years old and studies baseball history, I didn't know that!

    I tried to YouTube that but nothing came up. Don't worry though, I'm old enough to know that does mean it didn't happen!

    Do you have any memories of that? Were you listening to that on radio? Who was it off?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
    There really is something to that country "bumpkin" thing.

    Aaron had it like Musial had it. Mantle had a bit of it, but NY brought it right outta him and then some.

    Sometimes a personality like Gehrig's would work better in a smaller market. Sometimes, maybe a Hank Aaron might loosen up and enjoy the bright lights of NYC if given the opportunity. He certainly didn't disappear into hiding after he retired. He understood what he meant to the game and I've always respected that.
    I really liked how Arron handled Barry Bonds passing his 755 home runs. I don't know what Aaron's personal feelings were about Bonds using PED's to pass his record (probably didn't like it) but Aaron knew if he showed up to watch Bonds break his record the press' very first question would be about Bonds' PED use. No doubt Aaron didn't want to deal with all that nonsense. So he made the video instead. IMO it was Aaron's way of saying, "Ok, Bonds passed me but we all know how he did it but I'm not going to be a jerk about it." Aaron looked so bored and uninterested in that video by the way. Back in 2002 they made a hilarious Super Bowl video.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    There's a color version of this film but I couldn't find it.
    The ESPN Sportscentury program on Aaron has it in color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
    Musial was not a better baserunner and it is debatable if he was better defensively.
    But Stan was better in many areas, so why shouldn't he in the same conversation as Aaron as a possible #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by four tool View Post
    But Stan was better in many areas, so why shouldn't he in the same conversation as Aaron as a possible #1.
    Neither player is in the conversation for #1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Neither player is in the conversation for #1.
    Yeah, it is a little hard for Stan and Henry to get serious #1 talk when they were behind contemporary Willie Mays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr28 View Post
    Yeah, it is a little hard for Stan and Henry to get serious #1 talk when they were behind contemporary Willie Mays.
    Not to mention being nowhere near Babe Ruth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    There's a color version of this film but I couldn't find it. I think aches knows where to find it on the Internet , though.
    Here you go. He hit it off Billy Muffet,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VCqDCXrqmQ

    And no, I wasn't listening and don't recall it, I was seven years old at the time. My first exposure to baseball was the next year (1958) when my dad took me to a Cubs/Cardinals game at Wrigley Field, and I was hooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by four tool View Post
    But Stan was better in many areas, so why shouldn't he in the same conversation as Aaron as a possible #1.
    I think you can go as high as 3rd for Aaron (I am not putting him ahead of Ruth or Mays) and maybe as high as 6th for Musial. So, I guess that is the "same conversation." Aaron was about the same as a hitter and was a better baserunner a better fielder (not saying Stan was poor at either) and played in a better LQ era. Hank was just a half-step above Musial. Nothing wrong with that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
    Wow 3-8, so at the highest over either Cobb, Wagner or Mays, and at the lowest, down by Mantle, Williams, Schalk (jk).
    Ruth and Mays at 1-2. Not moving Aaron above them. Then I can see cases for Cobb, Aaron, Wagner, Williams, and Bonds in any order from 3-7.

    So anywhere from 3-7, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
    Ruth and Mays at 1-2. Not moving Aaron above them. Then I can see cases for Cobb, Aaron, Wagner, Williams, and Bonds in any order from 3-7.

    So anywhere from 3-7, actually.
    I have him higher than most here, at 4th. I can see people putting Williams, Wagner, & Bonds (with no PED discount) ahead of him but really nobody else.

    I do think it's close between Aaron, Williams, & Wagner, and many people put Aaron behind both of them.
    Two clear advantages put Aaron just ahead of both IMO-
    1. In terms of counting stats he has more career value than anyone in history.
    2. He has a significant LQ advantage over both Williams & Wagner, especially Wagner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
    Here you go. He hit it off Billy Muffet,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VCqDCXrqmQ

    And no, I wasn't listening and don't recall it, I was seven years old at the time. My first exposure to baseball was the next year (1958) when my dad took me to a Cubs/Cardinals game at Wrigley Field, and I was hooked.
    Thanks aches!

    Randy, here is the Aaron pennant winning home run in color.


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    Here's an interesting article about Aaron from 1957. His greatness was clearly evident by this time.


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    I noted "he moves about as fast as he has to" and "lethargic" which should at least dispel any doubts that he did have that reputation, or one person on earth thought that at a minimum. I was not alive then but upthread or in another one the topic was mentioned and raised some verbal eyebrows.

    Otherwise it seems that he was regarded as an immense natural talent.

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    What is also odd is that Aaron was fined by Ford Frick for starting spring training too early.
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    That's the same photo that Topps used for his first three cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PVNICK View Post
    I noted "he moves about as fast as he has to" and "lethargic" which should at least dispel any doubts that he did have that reputation, or one person on earth thought that at a minimum. I was not alive then but upthread or in another one the topic was mentioned and raised some verbal eyebrows.

    Otherwise it seems that he was regarded as an immense natural talent.
    Someone once remarked he fell asleep between pitches

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Neither player is in the conversation for #1.
    And what is the title of this thread again?

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    Hank was just a great all around player, no flash, no flair just had a great carreer and didn't draw attention to himself. Let his bat do the talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomBodet View Post
    It's always Ruth or Mays or Bonds or Cobb put up as best ever-and I'd say Babe too-but it seems Hank doesn't get the love. Why is that? Did so much so well for so long-it's like he's an afterthought.
    Hank was just a great all around player, no flash, no flair just had a great carreer and didn't draw attention to himself. Let his bat do the talking

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