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Thread: Why don't we ever see Hank Aaron listed #1 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesky5 View Post
    One is a nationality and one is a race.
    I get that - I am pretty sure we all had socialy/anthropolgy classes in college.. I am defining connotation under the context of this discussion. Latin American players are typicaly left off of "African American" or "Black" demographic data when referring to MLB players.
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    Word to everyone for saying it more eloquently and precisely than my simple self.
    "I go all out, and I'm going to bring that to the table everyday. In good times and in bad times." - Eric Byrnes
    "As long as I have fun playing, the stats will take care of themselves." - Ken Griffey Jr.

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    I think the big-picture point is that there is no evidence that "race" had any impact on Tiant's HOF status and there is no evidence of an anti-"Black" HOF conspiracy.

    Which leecemark clearly indicated was not a main-thrust issue in his post to begin with. I really didn't mean to get us off on this tangent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
    I think the big-picture point is that there is no evidence that "race" had any impact on Tiant's HOF status and there is no evidence of an anti-"Black" HOF conspiracy. .
    I agree. As I pointed out earlier, sportswriters had absolutely no problem -- even in integration's earliest days -- nominating black players for awards. Why would they have a problem years later voting them into the HOF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leewileyfan View Post
    Never checked him at the door ... just saw him do a great deal of pitching that sobered his opponents.
    Booze ruined him. It's well known. I'm surprised you didn't know this (pretty sure you said your die hard fandom/acute awareness of the pulse of baseball extends back prior to 1950.)

    In any case, his addiction helps explain his extreme ups and downs, and his early demise.

    "In 1970 Newcombe went public about his severe alcoholism. He didn't even admit how much of a problem he had until 1966. Newcombe used to throw himself into binge drinking with vodka and grape juice, yelling, swearing, even hitting his wife. His children cowered. One day his wife Billie told him she was taking the kids and leaving. At that point, Newcombe saw the light as he never had before. He fell to his knees as if praying, put one hand on Don Jr's head, and took an oath, swearing he would never drink again." -Freedman, Lou (2007) African American Pioneers of Baseball: A Biographical Encyclopedia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesky5 View Post
    Word to everyone for saying it more eloquently and precisely than my simple self.
    Ironically (not assuming this was directed at me)....but I usually have the same with regards to your means of expression and elucidation in these discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csh19792001 View Post
    Ironically (not assuming this was directed at me)....but I usually have the same with regards to your means of expression and elucidation in these discussions.
    Thanks man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett View Post
    Still, in a real way, we are all pretty much genetically African.
    Richard Dawkins sends his regards!!!

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