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    1903 All Star Thread

    Teams should vote for a starting team from their respective League. One starter per position, and one second place vote. Pitchers will be voted on as top 5 starters and 2 relievers. Top vote getters per position will be starters, and the top 5 remaining vote getters will be reserves. Top 3 starting pitchers and top 2 relievers will make the team. The all-star break will be after the this sim so start working on your ballots.
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    American league Infielders (minimum 20 games played per position)
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    American League OF, DH, and Fielding leaders
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    National League Infielders (minimum 20 games played per position)
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    National League OF, DH, and Fielding Leaders
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    Catcher
    John Warner, Anaheim - Great offensive numbers barely balances out his inability to throw our baserunners.
    Pat Moran, Kalamazoo - Great arm behind the plate gives him the edge over Kling

    First Base
    Jake Beckley, Kalamazoo -Very Good season for the Kumquat first bagger as usual
    Fred Tenney, New Orleans - Jus a step below Beckley. Edges out Anderson

    Second Base
    Kid Gleason, Kalamazoo - Very good offensive numbers and no slouch with the glove
    Wid Conroy, Laquey - One of the few bright spots on this Sharks squad

    Third Base
    Harry Steinfeldt, Kalamazoo - Early MVP candidate. Had a huge 1st half
    Jimmy Collins, Seattle - Solid all around season and a great glove at the hot corner.

    Shortstop
    Honus Wagner, Kalamazoo - Another early MVP candidate. Worth the price they paid for him so far
    Joe Tinker, Cleveland - Flashy glove at short along with a solid if unspectacular bat is a sign of things to come.

    Left Field
    Sam Crawford, Seattle - Had one of the greatest months ever in May. Easy choice here
    Ginger Beaumont, Laquey - Tough choice here but his outfield play (11 assists) won him this spot

    Center Field
    Cy Seymour, Kalamazoo - Heads and ttails above the other centerfielders in the AL this year.
    Fielder Jones, Laquey - Decent offensive numbers but a great glove gives him my #2 spot

    Right Field
    Mike Donlin, Kalamazoo - Another incredible offensive season for a Kumquat player
    Ducky Holmes, Anaheim - Another reason the Angels have improved vastly this season

    DH
    Jimmy Sebring, Seattle - Deserves a spot on this team as a starter rather than a backup so here he is
    Joe Kelley, New Orleand - Fine offensive numbers for the Barons

    Starting Pitcher
    Christy Mathewson, Cleveland - Leads league in wins, Strikeouts, ERA, and innings
    George Mullin, Kalamazoo -Leader in wins, and winning percentage while 2nd in era
    Clark Griffith, Seattle - Leader in wins and 2nd in winning percentage. 3rd in era
    Doc White, Kalamazoo - leader in wins and 2nd in winning percentage
    Ed Seaver, Seattle - !2 wins against only 4 losses

    Relief Pitchers
    Jock Menefee, Seattle - 26 saves and a 2.04era
    Bill Phillips, Kalamazoo - 20 saves and a 1.46era
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    --Didn't find much to quibble with on Rich's ballot. Just a few backups different
    C: Warner, Kling
    1B: Beckley, Tenney
    2B: Gleason, Williams
    3B: Steinfeldt, Collins
    SS: Wagner, Tinker
    LF: Crawford, Beaaumont
    CF: Seymour, Holmes
    RF: Donlin, Holmes
    DH: Debring, Kelley
    SP; Mathewson, Mullin, Griffith, White, Seiver
    RP: Menefee, Phillips

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    C: Warner, Kling
    1B: Beckley, Tenney
    2B: Gleason, Conroy
    3B: Steinfeldt, Collins
    SS: Wagner, Tinker
    LF: Crawford, Beaumont
    CF: Seymour, Cooley
    RF: Donlin, Sebring
    DH: Holmes, Kelley
    SP; Mathewson, Mullin, Griffith, White, Siever
    RP: Menefee, Phillips
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    C: Warner, Kling
    1B: Beckley, Tenney
    2B: Gleason, Conroy
    SS: Wagner, Tinker
    3B: Steinfeldt, Collins
    LF: Crawford, Beaumont
    RF: Donlin, Sebring
    CF: Seymour, Holmes
    DH: Debring, Kelley
    SP: Mathewson, Mullin, Griffith, White, Seiver
    RP: Menefee, Phillips
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    C: Dexter, Criger
    1B: Chance, Hickman
    2B: Lajoie, Murphy
    3B: Wolverton, Bradley
    SS: Dahlen, Courtney
    LF: Sheckard, Hartsel
    CF: Barrett, Thomas
    RF: Burkett, Pickering
    DH: Clarke, Mertes
    SP: Young, Donovan, McFarland, Powell, Sudhoff
    RP: Ames, Wolfe
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    Well, I didn't read the instructions well enough. Had the whole team done using both leagues, then went back and redid it. The NL looks a lot stronger this year.... Ballot identical to Dan's for the position players, but I don't think Dan likes the Express pitchers very much....

    Catcher
    1. Charlie Dexter, Pioneers – Best of a pretty weak group in the AL behind the plate.
    2. Lou Criger, Bums – Second best of a very weak position for the AL.

    First Base
    1. Frank Chance, Tigers – Stands head and shoulders above the other first basemen in the AL.
    2. Charlie Hickman, Rams – Best of the rest. That’s not saying a lot.

    Second Base
    1. Nap Lajoie, Inmates – Huge drop off from last year, but still the best in the AL at this position.
    2. Danny Murphy, Rams

    Third Base
    1. Harry Wolverton, Express – Clearly the best third baseman for the AL so far this season.
    2. Bill Bradley, Pioneers – A true coin flip between Bradley and Strang. I went with Bradley; anyone taking Strang would get no argument from me.

    Shortstop
    1. Bill Dahlen, Tigers – No contest. Courtney close in batting but Dahlen is clearly the better fielder and has played a lot more.
    2. Ernie Courtney, Express – Too bad he’s out for the season with an injury (usage). With 121 point edge in OPS over the next man, and a better glove, I still went with him.

    Left Field
    1. Jimmy Sheckard, Express – Went with him due to more playing time and better range than either Hartsel or Clarke. Also leads all LFers in runs and stolen bases. Yeah, also a homer vote.
    2. Topsy Hartsel, Rams – Barely edges out Clarke.

    Center Field
    1. Jimmy Barrett, Bums – Having a fine season at the Point.
    2. Roy Thomas, Inmates – Nice year for him as well.

    Right Field
    1. Jesse Burkett, Rams – A no brainer pick. 200 points in OPS over the next best man leaves no room for argument.
    2. Ollie Pickering, Bums – Second best, but a loooong way behind Burkett with the bat.

    Designated Hitter
    1. Fred Clarke, Tigers – Makes up for leaving off of the left field picks. Deserves a spot.
    2. Sam Metes, Bums – Edges out Bresnahan for the final spot on my ballot.

    Starting Pitchers
    1. Bill Donovan, Inmates – Leads the AL in wins and ERA, second in WHIP, fourth in IP. Easy pick.
    2. Jake Weimer, Express – Rookie hurler is keeping the Express in the AL race.
    3. Cy Young, Tigers – Keeps rolling along. Another fine season on the hill.
    4. Red Donahue, Express – Having a better than expected year, and I’m very grateful.
    5. Chappie McFarland, Inmates

    Relievers
    1. Ed Poole, Bums
    2. Ed Doheny, Pioneers
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    I wonder if there will ever be a team again that manages to take every starting infield position on the All Star team. Well done, Jack. BTW, I had Moran as my starting catcher when I made out the ballot using both leagues.
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    kind of a weak turnout for the allstar selection. I will let it ride til the end of today so last minute ballots are still accepted
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    I wonder if maybe it's not worth it to have the ASG in future seasons. I know for me, in 1901 I enjoyed it, but now I don't really care.
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    Okay guys - Due to lack of interest and how long the allstar break is taking - I have the lineups set and will play the game today. Regular season will resume tomorrow so any lineup changes need to be in by noon EST tomorrow.


    AL AllStars

    C - Dexter, Pioneers
    1B - Chance, Tigers
    2B - Lajoie, Inmates'
    3B - Wolverton, Express
    SS - Dahlen, Tigers
    LF - Sheckard, Express
    CF - Barrett, Bums
    RF - Burkett, Rams
    DH - Clarke, Tigers

    Bench
    Criger, Bums
    Hartsel, Rams
    Mertes, Bums
    Thomas, Inmates
    Bradley, Pioneers

    Pitchers - (Since there was no consensus on relievers went with 6 starters)

    Donovan, Inmates
    Young, Tigers
    McFarland, Inmates
    Weimer, Express
    Donahue, Express
    Powell, Bums


    NL AllStars

    C - Warner, Angels
    1B - Beckley, Kumquats
    2B - Gleason, Kumquats
    3B - Steinfeldt, Kumquats
    SS - Wagner, Kumquats
    LF - Crawford, Dragons
    CF Seymour, Kumquats
    RF - Donlin, Kumquats
    DH - Sebring, Dragons

    Bench
    Kling, Barons
    Holmes, Angels
    Kelley, Barons
    Beaumont, Sharks
    Tinker, Indians


    Pitchers
    Mathewson, Indians
    Mullin, Kumquats
    Griffith, Dragons
    White, Kumquats
    Menefee, Dragons
    Phillips, Kumquats
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    So what we have is the Kumquats/Dragons squad and a couple extra players against the AL All Stars!
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    The NL came back from a 4-1 defecit when Joe Tinker tripled home 2 runs in the 7th and came home for the winning run to give the NL a 5-4 win and earn MVP honors.
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    Sorry to see that the Express's Jake Weimer gave up the four run rally. I hope he got it out of his system in the all star game though.
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    Rich, my vote would be to NOT have an all star game in the future. I don't feel strongly about it, but I just don't have the time (or perhaps inclination) to do justice to the selection process. I also don't pay much attention to the results. If most are in favor of continuing, great. But, it seems like quite a bit of work for you (and others) for little return.

    What do you think? Should we discuss/vote on it, or just leave things as they are?

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    I think a lot of the apathy about the allstar game is due to the disparity in team performance every year so far. Also, I think that owners are still developing team and league identification. As we move along from season to season owners will identify themselves more and more to their own team and their individual league. At least I hope that's he case. I am tryigt to take most of the work out of it for everyone by breaking down the stats by position in order to make for easy research. Filling out a basic allstar ballot really should only take about 15-20 minutes. I know everyone has their lives outside of this, and I don't want this game to become a burdon on you guys, but I also want this league to be as much as I invision it could be - so I will keep on doing the AllStar games, even if it means more work for me. And as usual participation will remain voluntary. Thanks though to the owners who did take the time to fill out ballots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmadachik View Post
    I think a lot of the apathy about the allstar game is due to the disparity in team performance every year so far. Also, I think that owners are still developing team and league identification. As we move along from season to season owners will identify themselves more and more to their own team and their individual league. At least I hope that's he case. I am tryigt to take most of the work out of it for everyone by breaking down the stats by position in order to make for easy research. Filling out a basic allstar ballot really should only take about 15-20 minutes. I know everyone has their lives outside of this, and I don't want this game to become a burdon on you guys, but I also want this league to be as much as I invision it could be - so I will keep on doing the AllStar games, even if it means more work for me. And as usual participation will remain voluntary. Thanks though to the owners who did take the time to fill out ballots.
    For me the fact that a game is played makes some sense for selecting a team. And Rich, your posting players by position, makes voting easier. In the CKL I usually vote only as a loyal league soldier. I have minimal interest in the selection, and no initiative to use the time required to figure out who played where. BTW, in either league I have minimal interest in awards. I do not typically vote for anyone on my own team, unless in the rare case where a homer selection is a slam dunk. And a Dust Bunny has rarely held such a lofty position. Rather, as Lew said several years ago, my team's name in the CKL, Dust Bunnies, was appropriate because we were swept so often.

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    I identify strongly with my team. But half the time, I don't even remember which teams are in my league
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    I find it much quicker and easier to pick the all star team in P2P, because the selection is being made from only six teams. In the AL at least, there was a pretty clear starter at six or seven spots this year, so little problem there. I originally made my picks from the entire organization, then re-read Rich's post and realized I was only supposed to pick from my own league. It took me about 20 minutes to redo the entire ballot, including my comments. For anyone just picking bodies without comments, I would project 10 to 15 minutes. And as Jack points out, it is nice to have the actual game played. It takes much longer to pick the all stars in the CKL, an organization with 16 teams and many positions having two, three or even four viable candidates. I commend Rich for trying to make the league as interesting as possible and particularly for taking the time and effort to play a game.
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