I actually like WAA/650PA a lot. Offense, defense, and baserunning (even the SB% heavy Rbaser) is included.
We take the career WAA total and divide by their individual PA. Sure, a guy who stuck around racking up a lot of PA to get a milestone and played below league avg, will be hurt. Rose for example. But that's his career, it should be evaluated and in a sense it was a sacrifice. Why should a player like that get his cake and eat it too.
Anyway, for further perspective, I'm thinking about putting in parentheses, the career WAA total, and then possibly each players top five WAA seasons along with PA in those seasons.
So it would look this this: Here's Ripken and Gehrig. Different positions for a reason; keep in mind this stat rewards Ripken heavily for his position.
--------------WAA/650------------BEST 5 WAA-----------BEST 5 WAA/650
Gehrig ---- 5.287 (78.6) --------38.0 (3506 PA)---------------7.04
Ripken ---- 2.684 (53.2) ------- 32.5 (3561 PA)---------------5.93
Ripken doesn't look so bad when you look at best five years. In fact pretty darn good.
Ripken is gonna look okay as long as fielding is included. When you just look at his hitting, it's pretty bad unless it's only compared to middle infielders. Hell, Ripken's career bWAA is about exactly half of Rose's (19.60 to 38.39).
Actually, gonna look up some other middle infielders WAA numbers.
First is sorted by career total, second by best 5 WAA/650
--------------WAA/650------------BEST 5 WAA-----------BEST 5 WAA/650
-----------(CAREER TOTAL)
Wagner-----5.068 (91.6)--------38.8 (3018 PA)----------------8.35
Collins------4.259 (78.9)---------34.7 (3307 PA)---------------6.82
Arod--------4.417 (77.1)--------35.4 (3497 PA)----------------6.58
Morgan-----3.631 (63.3)--------37.8 (3257 PA)----------------7.54
Ripken------2.684 (53.2)--------32.5 (3561 PA)----------------5.93
Gehringer--2.887 (45.5)---------26.5 (3515 PA)---------------4.90
Grich-------3.439 (43.5)---------24.0 (3081 PA)---------------5.06
Larkin------3.028 (42.2)---------22.4 (2982 PA)---------------4.88
Trammel---2.779 (40.1)---------24.1 (3107 PA)---------------5.04
JRobinson--4.401 (39.3)---------29.9 (3169 PA)---------------6.13
Sandberg--2.668 (38.1)---------26.0 (3418 PA)---------------4.94
Jeter-------1.759 (32.4)---------21.1 (3550 PA)---------------3.86
Alomar-----2.018 (32.3)---------21.2 (3422 PA)---------------4.02
Banks------1.788 (28.6)---------29.4 (3350 PA)---------------5.70
Kent--------1.799 (26.4)---------18.1 (3318 PA)---------------3.54
Nomar-----2.571 (24.2)---------23.4 (3273 PA)---------------4.64
Tejada-----1.101 (15.6)---------15.8 (3556 PA)---------------2.89
--------------WAA/650------------BEST 5 WAA-----------BEST 5 WAA/650
-----------(CAREER TOTAL)
Wagner-----5.068 (91.6)--------38.8 (3018 PA)----------------8.35
Morgan-----3.631 (63.3)--------37.8 (3257 PA)----------------7.54
Collins------4.259 (78.9)---------34.7 (3307 PA)---------------6.82
Arod--------4.417 (77.1)--------35.4 (3497 PA)----------------6.58
JRobinson--4.401 (39.3)---------29.9 (3169 PA)---------------6.13
Ripken------2.684 (53.2)--------32.5 (3561 PA)----------------5.93
Banks------1.788 (28.6)---------29.4 (3350 PA)---------------5.70
Grich-------3.439 (43.5)---------24.0 (3081 PA)---------------5.06
Trammel---2.779 (40.1)---------24.1 (3107 PA)---------------5.04
Sandberg--2.668 (38.1)---------26.0 (3418 PA)---------------4.94
Gehringer--2.887 (45.5)---------26.5 (3515 PA)---------------4.90
Larkin------3.028 (42.2)---------22.4 (2982 PA)---------------4.88
Nomar-----2.571 (24.2)---------23.4 (3273 PA)---------------4.64
Alomar-----2.018 (32.3)---------21.2 (3422 PA)---------------4.02
Jeter-------1.759 (32.4)---------21.1 (3550 PA)---------------3.86
Kent--------1.799 (26.4)---------18.1 (3318 PA)---------------3.54
Tejada-----1.101 (15.6)---------15.8 (3556 PA)---------------2.89
I may have to move Morgan up a bit in my rankings.
We take the career WAA total and divide by their individual PA. Sure, a guy who stuck around racking up a lot of PA to get a milestone and played below league avg, will be hurt. Rose for example. But that's his career, it should be evaluated and in a sense it was a sacrifice. Why should a player like that get his cake and eat it too.
Anyway, for further perspective, I'm thinking about putting in parentheses, the career WAA total, and then possibly each players top five WAA seasons along with PA in those seasons.
So it would look this this: Here's Ripken and Gehrig. Different positions for a reason; keep in mind this stat rewards Ripken heavily for his position.
--------------WAA/650------------BEST 5 WAA-----------BEST 5 WAA/650
Gehrig ---- 5.287 (78.6) --------38.0 (3506 PA)---------------7.04
Ripken ---- 2.684 (53.2) ------- 32.5 (3561 PA)---------------5.93
Ripken doesn't look so bad when you look at best five years. In fact pretty darn good.
Ripken is gonna look okay as long as fielding is included. When you just look at his hitting, it's pretty bad unless it's only compared to middle infielders. Hell, Ripken's career bWAA is about exactly half of Rose's (19.60 to 38.39).
Actually, gonna look up some other middle infielders WAA numbers.
First is sorted by career total, second by best 5 WAA/650
--------------WAA/650------------BEST 5 WAA-----------BEST 5 WAA/650
-----------(CAREER TOTAL)
Wagner-----5.068 (91.6)--------38.8 (3018 PA)----------------8.35
Collins------4.259 (78.9)---------34.7 (3307 PA)---------------6.82
Arod--------4.417 (77.1)--------35.4 (3497 PA)----------------6.58
Morgan-----3.631 (63.3)--------37.8 (3257 PA)----------------7.54
Ripken------2.684 (53.2)--------32.5 (3561 PA)----------------5.93
Gehringer--2.887 (45.5)---------26.5 (3515 PA)---------------4.90
Grich-------3.439 (43.5)---------24.0 (3081 PA)---------------5.06
Larkin------3.028 (42.2)---------22.4 (2982 PA)---------------4.88
Trammel---2.779 (40.1)---------24.1 (3107 PA)---------------5.04
JRobinson--4.401 (39.3)---------29.9 (3169 PA)---------------6.13
Sandberg--2.668 (38.1)---------26.0 (3418 PA)---------------4.94
Jeter-------1.759 (32.4)---------21.1 (3550 PA)---------------3.86
Alomar-----2.018 (32.3)---------21.2 (3422 PA)---------------4.02
Banks------1.788 (28.6)---------29.4 (3350 PA)---------------5.70
Kent--------1.799 (26.4)---------18.1 (3318 PA)---------------3.54
Nomar-----2.571 (24.2)---------23.4 (3273 PA)---------------4.64
Tejada-----1.101 (15.6)---------15.8 (3556 PA)---------------2.89
--------------WAA/650------------BEST 5 WAA-----------BEST 5 WAA/650
-----------(CAREER TOTAL)
Wagner-----5.068 (91.6)--------38.8 (3018 PA)----------------8.35
Morgan-----3.631 (63.3)--------37.8 (3257 PA)----------------7.54
Collins------4.259 (78.9)---------34.7 (3307 PA)---------------6.82
Arod--------4.417 (77.1)--------35.4 (3497 PA)----------------6.58
JRobinson--4.401 (39.3)---------29.9 (3169 PA)---------------6.13
Ripken------2.684 (53.2)--------32.5 (3561 PA)----------------5.93
Banks------1.788 (28.6)---------29.4 (3350 PA)---------------5.70
Grich-------3.439 (43.5)---------24.0 (3081 PA)---------------5.06
Trammel---2.779 (40.1)---------24.1 (3107 PA)---------------5.04
Sandberg--2.668 (38.1)---------26.0 (3418 PA)---------------4.94
Gehringer--2.887 (45.5)---------26.5 (3515 PA)---------------4.90
Larkin------3.028 (42.2)---------22.4 (2982 PA)---------------4.88
Nomar-----2.571 (24.2)---------23.4 (3273 PA)---------------4.64
Alomar-----2.018 (32.3)---------21.2 (3422 PA)---------------4.02
Jeter-------1.759 (32.4)---------21.1 (3550 PA)---------------3.86
Kent--------1.799 (26.4)---------18.1 (3318 PA)---------------3.54
Tejada-----1.101 (15.6)---------15.8 (3556 PA)---------------2.89
I may have to move Morgan up a bit in my rankings.
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