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    James "Shorty" Doyle Counts

    Have a friend whose great great uncle played in the minors.
    James Doyle "Shorty" Counts
    Catcher, played in the 1920s
    White Sox organization, or maybe the Orioles (family disagrees on that).

    They say he never played in the Bigs, but checked anyway, couldn't find him.
    Also tried the minor league registry
    No "Shorty" or James Doyles, No "Counts"

    Can anybody help or point to the right place to search?

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    He may have played in outlaw leagues, which would exclude him appearing in organized baseball. For example, I have a relative who played for the same city three straight years. In the middle year, the league didn't pay fees to be in the National Association, so it was an outlaw league. He was out of organized baseball that year, but he was being paid to play for the same team against essentially the same opponents. Some would say he wasn't a minor leaguer that year, but I think he would say otherwise. He also could have been a 'less than' player, meaning he appeared in less than 10 games and wasn't listed in the official guide the following year. There were also various semi-pro leagues in which players received pay, but they aren't really minor league teams.

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    Thanks, Macker -- any clues as to where to look next?

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    Do you know where he lived? Do you have a death date for him?

    Any chance he was from the Waxahachie area of Texas? I found the following Counts in Waxahachie newspapers:
    1929 -- "R. Counts" catching for MWA in city baseball league.
    1929-1930 -- Cecil Counts outfielder for Rotarians in city baseball league. (also a Counts, no first name or initial catching; possibly Cecil)
    1945 -- numerous Counts people listed in legal notice, including James Counts.
    1962 -- obit of RL Counts lists Cecil & HL as his brothers, but no mention of a James.

    A James Doyle Counts appeared in court news in Missouri newspaper in 1945 and 1952 for driving offences but no age given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oddsox1919 View Post
    Have a friend whose great great uncle played in the minors.
    James Doyle "Shorty" Counts
    Catcher, played in the 1920s
    White Sox organization, or maybe the Orioles (family disagrees on that).

    They say he never played in the Bigs, but checked anyway, couldn't find him.
    Also tried the minor league registry
    No "Shorty" or James Doyles, No "Counts"

    Can anybody help or point to the right place to search?
    It's worth mentioning that the big league teams did not really maintain minor league organizations at that time, there were some teams that had "understandings" but the minors were essentially independent.
    The Baltimore Orioles were a very powerful minor league team at the time (Lefty Grove was with them for 5 years until Connie Mack finally forked $100k over to Jack Dunn for him), so I think we would be able to find Mr. Counts if he had been on that team.
    I see a Clovis Counts playing for the McAllen (TX) Packers in 1938, surely not our man.
    "If I drink whiskey, I'll never get worms!" - Hack Wilson

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    James Doyle "Shorty" Counts

    More info on James Doyle "Shorty" Counts:

    Went by "JD" or "Shorty"
    DOB October 21, 1905; DOD May 8, 1993
    Married 27 years, married in Fayetteville, 1932

    Born and lived in Arkansas (Madison, Prairie, Washington, Fayetteville), so playing in Waxahachie TX in 1929 a fair possibility.

    Any pictures of that MWA city baseball team? Link to articles?
    Thanks in advance for any help!

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    Thanks for your help... still looking for clues.
    There's a photo out there somewhere.

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