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    Quote Originally Posted by dominik View Post
    fangraphs Project the Cards for 84 wins currently
    http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts...Standings#NL-C

    that doesn't Sound a lot but you can easily be +/-5 just for luck (and a lot more for injuries and under or overperformance). all 3 divisions are projected to have a clear winner if nothing Majors happens (nats, dodgers, cubs) and behind them it could be pretty Close:

    giants 88
    mets 87
    Cards 84
    pirates 82

    behind those Teams there is a big dropoff (a lot of very bad to outright tanking Teams in the NL currently) so the Cards have a good Chance to get a WC.

    still I think 1-2 more additions would be nice, especially if the pirates really make a move for Quintana which could add about 4 wins to their projection.
    For the record, Zips is much more favorable to the Cardinals than Steamer, which this is based on.

    It should also be noted that the Mets are projected for 84 wins too on FG. That means the Cards are still tied for 7th in all MLB with 84.
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    what do you think about the talk of Mo and MM to try to get more athletic and use more Speed (even mentioned getting more exiting)?

    http://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/rumo...t-athletic-17/

    if that means better defense that probably is a good Thing but I think forcing baserunning is not a good idea and more dependent on Player Talent. better rely on your strengths and not try to make Players something they aren't. but maybe that was just talk for the media anyway.
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    what do you think about the talk of Mo and MM to try to get more athletic and use more Speed (even mentioned getting more exiting)?

    http://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/rumo...t-athletic-17/

    if that means better defense that probably is a good Thing but I think forcing baserunning is not a good idea and more dependent on Player Talent. better rely on your strengths and not try to make Players something they aren't. but maybe that was just talk for the media anyway.
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    I would love to see a return to the ol' Runnin Redbirds of the 1980s, but we don't have those guys anymore. I am always a fan of more speed and defense, and i could really do without watching the slugging nonsense we had last year (which seemed to be at the expense of speed and defense).

    I agree, don't make guys run just to run. However, if we have those rabbits like we did back in the 80s, do it.
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    I would love to see a return to the ol' Runnin Redbirds of the 1980s, but we don't have those guys anymore. I am always a fan of more speed and defense, and i could really do without watching the slugging nonsense we had last year (which seemed to be at the expense of speed and defense).

    I agree, don't make guys run just to run. However, if we have those rabbits like we did back in the 80s, do it.
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    Just about at the midpoint of the offseason. The Cardinals haven't made a single transaction since Jaunary 1, reportable on MLB.com's transaction list.

    The big betting house bet365 is listing the Cards at 20/1 to win the Series. Thats 11th in mlb, and behind Cubs Dodgers Nationals Astros Giants Mets. I don't see anywhere they can go to improve that. There are no seriously glaring weak spots, but at least average at every position where a change might not be an improvement. I don't consider 2b to be a weakness, because Wong/Gyorko are both comparable and it can be expected that at least one will be competent. Grichuk might the worst risk, and we never get to see enough of Pham to know how valid he is as a backup. We don't know how good Diaz will be over the long haul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post
    Just about at the midpoint of the offseason. The Cardinals haven't made a single transaction since Jaunary 1, reportable on MLB.com's transaction list.

    The big betting house bet365 is listing the Cards at 20/1 to win the Series. Thats 11th in mlb, and behind Cubs Dodgers Nationals Astros Giants Mets. I don't see anywhere they can go to improve that. There are no seriously glaring weak spots, but at least average at every position where a change might not be an improvement. I don't consider 2b to be a weakness, because Wong/Gyorko are both comparable and it can be expected that at least one will be competent. Grichuk might the worst risk, and we never get to see enough of Pham to know how valid he is as a backup. We don't know how good Diaz will be over the long haul.
    Vegas cares about betting... not who is the best.

    This is a good, but not great team. Looking at 86-90 wins and a possible wild card spot. ZIPS and Steamer. Oth have them top 8 in MLB.

    Why did you list the Astros with the NL teams?
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    Overall, it was a good offseason. They kept the guys the needed improved CF and RP and didn't give up lots of prospects to do so.

    The only bad part was their one big weak spot is 3B...and a huge offense and defensive upgrade was available and pretty cheap in Turner, who decided to be a boy scout and stay in Los Smogulous for pennies. That would have boosted this team into Dodger/Nat territory.
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    I don't see Peralta as a weak spot. Looks like he will be at 3b with Carpenter at 1b, improving the defense at both positions. Adams is quality trade bait, but I don't see anyone around the league that I think would help the overall lineup much, unless you talk about an expensive superstar. Until a quality rookie comes along, the Cards look like an also ran with barely wild-card potential.

    For years, I've been begging for a decent back-up catcher, Molina can't keep catching every day forever. I guess they think they can always get one off the waiver wire if they need one, but thats not how you join the winner's circle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post
    I don't see Peralta as a weak spot. Looks like he will be at 3b with Carpenter at 1b, improving the defense at both positions. Adams is quality trade bait, but I don't see anyone around the league that I think would help the overall lineup much, unless you talk about an expensive superstar. Until a quality rookie comes along, the Cards look like an also ran with barely wild-card potential.

    For years, I've been begging for a decent back-up catcher, Molina can't keep catching every day forever. I guess they think they can always get one off the waiver wire if they need one, but thats not how you join the winner's circle.
    Peralta is old, injury prone, is an average fielder (at best) at his age and has had a wRC+ WELL under 100 since the ASB of 2016. He isn't garbage - but there were big upgrades availabe cheaply. Very likely the worst everyday player on the team. Don;t be shocked if Gyrko (who isn't loads better) doesn't start most games at 3B.

    This team, which won 86 games last year with peripherals and a run differential much better than that, have improved. This is a good, not great team. Guess it depends on what you would say is an "also-ran."
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    BTW why not keep carp at third and get one of those cheap first base men like chris carter? Carter is of course not good but he will give you like a 110 ops+ with a lot of bombs.

    Of course 110 at first base is not good but 110 at first and 125 or so at third is better then 125+95 (or what every the Peralta/gyorko platoon will give you). Or is carp defensively so bad that that would eat up that gain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dominik View Post
    Or is carp defensively so bad that that would eat up that gain?
    That is the idea. Chris Carter's OPS+ isn't projected THAT much better than Gyrko or Peralta. Not enough to offset the gap between Carp and Carters defense at 1B AND the Carp/Peralta's defense at 3B.

    It is probably true too.
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    Happy 94th birthday to Cardinals' great and National Baseball Of Famer, Red Schoendienst (Feb. 3).

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    Well, Reyes might be on his way to TJ.

    Not a good way to start. How many years lately have the Cards lost a top 3 starter to season ending surgery before the season started. 2011, 2012, 2016, 2017...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
    Well, Reyes might be on his way to TJ.

    Not a good way to start. How many years lately have the Cards lost a top 3 starter to season ending surgery before the season started. 2011, 2012, 2016, 2017...
    At least he's getting his surgery while he is young.

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    So the Cards open the grapefruit play with essentially the same team, but with Fowler replacing Holliday. Carpenter at first base, but Fowler leading off.

    Looks like none of the lineup chaos from last season has been resolved.

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    The Cardinals will be fine this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr28 View Post
    The Cardinals will be fine this season.
    Yes - but "fine" means borderline for postseason. Which is "fine."
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