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    So if there was ever a time to go to 20 teams, would it be now? The relegated teams are from either decent baseball markets or ones MLB wants to develop in Canada/China/Mexico/Taiwan. What if you move to 20 teams, guarantee they dont drop down, and hold qualis to bring in 4 more teams?

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    Based on our latest Baseball-Fever WBC expansion poll results the 1st round qualifiers could look like this:

    Arizona Group
    December 2018
    Florida Group
    November 2018
    Germany Spain
    Argentina Russia
    Pakistan Hong Kong
    Belgium Sweden
    Croatia Philippines
    Thailand Indonesia
    Ireland Sri Lanka
    Ecuador Uganda

    Then the 2nd round of qualifiers may look like this:
    New Taipei City
    Xinzhuang Baseball Stadium
    November 2020
    Managua
    Estadio Nacional Denis Martinez
    March 2020
    Panama City
    Estadio Rod Carew
    March 2020
    Culiacan
    Estadio BBVA
    March 2020
    Relegated Taiwan China Canada Mexico
    2016 WBCQ 2nd South Africa Nicaragua Panama Great Britain
    2016 WBCQ 3rd New Zealand Brazil France Czech Republic
    2018 WBCQ Florida 1 Florida 2 Arizona 1 Arizona 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutchemist42 View Post
    So if there was ever a time to go to 20 teams, would it be now? The relegated teams are from either decent baseball markets or ones MLB wants to develop in Canada/China/Mexico/Taiwan. What if you move to 20 teams, guarantee they dont drop down, and hold qualis to bring in 4 more teams?
    I was thinking the same thing, have the first round be 4 groups of 5 teams and have the top 2 of each pool advance to the next round. Also maybe adding a 5th team may prevent teams be logged jam with 2-1 or 1-2 records.

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    Post deleted.
    Last edited by SouthwestAmAZins; 03-13-2017 at 08:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gianc006 View Post
    I was thinking the same thing, have the first round be 4 groups of 5 teams and have the top 2 of each pool advance to the next round. Also maybe adding a 5th team may prevent teams be logged jam with 2-1 or 1-2 records.
    This still doesn't eliminate possibility of a log jam; for example:

    Team A 4-0
    Team B 2-2
    Team C 2-2
    Team D 2-2
    Team E 0-4

    That being said, I agree that it may be time to expand the main event to 20 teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthwestAmAZins View Post
    This still doesn't eliminate possibility of a log jam; for example:

    Team A 4-0
    Team B 2-2
    Team C 2-2
    Team D 2-2
    Team E 0-4

    That being said, I agree that it may be time to expand the main event to 20 teams.
    Or a 3-way tie of teams at 3-1.

    Does increase the chance of meaningless games. The only meaningless games now in the present format is when 2 teams that are 0-2 are playing one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cincy Fan View Post
    Or a 3-way tie of teams at 3-1.

    Does increase the chance of meaningless games. The only meaningless games now in the present format is when 2 teams that are 0-2 are playing one another.
    When 0-2 teams play each other in the First Round, based off the current setup the game is not meaningless; the winner finishes 3rd while the loser has to qualify for the next tournament.

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    Anyone know why Thailand participated in the qualifiers in 2013 but was replaced by Pakistan in 2017?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gianc006 View Post
    Anyone know why Thailand participated in the qualifiers in 2013 but was replaced by Pakistan in 2017?
    My guess is because Pakistan had done better in international competitions in 2014-2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gianc006 View Post
    Anyone know why Thailand participated in the qualifiers in 2013 but was replaced by Pakistan in 2017?
    I like to think that the WBC Steering Committee read one of my posts in the 2017 thread

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthwestAmAZins View Post
    Thailand will probably get invited to the next WBCQ despite their losses in the last East Asia Cup. Apparently the IBAF only updates their rankings once a year in December, and with the WBC steering committee potentially making an announcement before December; leaving very little time for them to change their minds about inviting the Thais. Thailand will enjoy padding their IBAF ranking with more WBCQ participation points and continuing a vicious cycle of undeserved berths.

    Thailand's performances against regional teams in their weight class-

    2009 Asia Cup:
    Lost to Pakistan and Sri Lanka; Gold and Bronze medalists respectively.

    2010 Asian Baseball Cup:
    Lost to Pakistan and Hong Kong

    2011 SEA Games:
    Lost to Philippines and Indonesia; Gold and Silver medalists respectively.

    2012 East Asia Cup:
    Lost to the Philippines and defeated Hong Kong; took Silver medal

    2012 WBC Qualifiers:
    Lost to the Philippines

    2014 Asia Games:
    Defeated Hong Kong

    2015 East Asia Cup:
    Lost to the Philippines, Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Hong Kong
    Source: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...50#post2449350

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    Improvement ideas for the next WBC

    The 2017 WBC has concluded and many baseball journalists are pitching the idea of holding the WBC semifinals during All-Star week. The idea sounds possible in theory, but pitchers aren’t used for more than a couple of innings in the ASG, much less pitch a couple of competitive games outside of their MLB club’s control. The idea doesn’t even consider that many other professional leagues around the world would have to plan their All-Star Game & festivities to coincide with MLB’s. Just about the only thing that tournament organizers and journalists seem to agree on, is that there is no perfect time to hold the WBC. Outside of the timing of the event, here are some ways to improve the WBC:

    1) Announce hosts years in advance: As flawed as FIFA and the IOC are, one of the few things they and many other sporting event organizers do correctly is that they announce hosts years in advance. All of the 2017 WBC hosts were announced about six months away from the first pitch. This is not good enough for baseball’s marquee international event. Especially, when attendances for games not involving the host nation are dismal. It would help those attendances if people had years to prepare for their trip; instead of a few months. This would also help the next suggestion…

    2) Have a region host the whole event: Having Pools hosted in many different countries limits the possibilities of tournament formats, interrupts the flow of the event and doesn’t maximize the potential for boosting attendance. Given enough time to make travel arrangements, people could visit just about anywhere. Based on the latest attendance, only a few regions have the stadiums to surpass those numbers in the month of March. A singular region could be the focal point of the baseball universe’s attention.

    3) Mix up the groups without using a selection committee: The previous two suggestions would enable Pools to be mixed up a little more. The following team pairings have been made in all WBC editions: Japan/China, USA/Canada and South Korea/Taiwan. The following are the most common parings in the second round of the WBC: Japan/Cuba, Puerto Rico/Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico/Venezuela. Part of what makes the FIFA World Cup so great are all of the possibilities for match-ups in contrasting styles. This is another thing that FIFA does correctly; it arranges team by quality and geography then randomly selects the groups for their World Cup. The use of a selection committee makes WBC Pools more predictable and therefore a little less interesting.

    4) Limit the use of Passport players: First let’s define what a Passport player is, they are players that are only eligible for a passport of the country they are to represent. The use of Passport players in the WBC makes it hard for some to take the tournament seriously. Some national teams rely more heavily on their use than others. Obviously, MLB has very relaxed player eligibility rules and this hurts national federations that don’t possess a seemingly endless supply of Passport players. MLB wants national teams to be as competitive as possible, but at what expense? The problem is that these players represent “their” country in the WBC, then go back home and never follow up promoting the game in the place they represented. This is not to say that a Passport player cannot evolve into a permanent resident player that promotes the game of baseball within the country he represented in the tournament. MLB needs to give national teams with more home grown talent some leverage, by limiting the use of Passport players; this will help develop and promote the game more than the current system.

    5) Incorporate the Robo Ump to call the strike zone: We got a small sample of what a bad home plate umpire can do in the last WBC tournament. National pride, Umpire Egos and perceived favoritism is a toxic mix, but the good news is that the technology exists to neutralize the potential for an ugly incident. With the next WBC in four years, MLB should be proactive and implement Robo Ump; there is more than enough time to fine tune the technology. Home plate umpires don’t need to be eliminated all-together, but take the strike zone out of their hands.

    6) Expand the amount of participating nations: Baseball is back in the Olympics for Tokyo 2020 and there are no guarantees that it will be on the program beyond that. MLB should seize the momentum of the currently finished WBC tournament and expand the qualifiers as much as possible. The worst eight teams from the last qualifiers aren’t that much better than the potential next eight teams to be invited.

    7) Find more broadcast partners: MLB Network is available in over 70 million U.S. homes, but it cannot cover all of the games simultaneously. A broadcast partnership would lighten the content load and allow access to a larger audience. MLB Network had exclusive WBC rights through 2017, so this could very well change going forward.

    8) Make Statcast go Metric: MLB is trying to globalize baseball, and Statcast is an amazing way to demonstrate and quantify how talented MLB players are. But the rest of the world may not quite appreciate what these numbers mean and they have no time to break out a conversion table. MLB should simplify things by showing all values in both Standard & Metric.

    9) Settle on a tie breaker system: Each edition of the WBC has had a different tie breaker system and none have been repeated. MLB needs to establish one tie breaker system and communicate it clearly to all national federations as well as answer all technical questions before every tournament.

    In the unlikely case MLB is considering moving the whole tournament to July, an outside the box idea is a Hybrid Split season format and consists of the first half of the season focusing primarily on divisional rivalries. Due to the odd number of teams in each league and all divisions; some non-divisional games will have to be played in the first half. Two of every three series each team plays should be against a division rival and all divisional games should be wrapped up by mid-season. At this point, all six divisional champions would be decided strictly by their divisional record and all non-divisional first half games would count towards the wildcard race. The remainder of the season would be used to determine the wildcards by a) total win-loss record or b) non-divisional win-loss record. In order to complete all divisional games by mid-season, the current amount of head to head divisional games would have to be reduced to 12 or 13 games; depending on how long MLB wants their seasons during World Baseball Classic years. To summarize, 6 of the 10 playoff teams would be determined by mid-season, the second half would contain the WBC break and would only decide the wildcard teams.

    We should be expecting for some changes to be made to the next World Baseball Classic, whether or not the changes improve the tournament is another question to be answered in 2021.
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    Great post Southwest, here's some of my quick thoughts:

    -Yeah, I hate how late the hosts get announced, I think its a joke.

    -I've said the regional thing before as well. I've actually thought about regions too which could do it. You'd obviously need 4 stadiums to start, but I think any combination of Taiwan/Japan/Korea, Southern California, Florida/PR, etc could work.

    -I agree about the passport players, as a lot of them seem like guys who show up for a few days and never get involved after. I would limit it to maybe 7 guys like that, and after that you need to be a citizen of the country. I think one of the more embarrasing things for the WBC would be for a passport-heavy team to get far.

    -Some matchups are getting old, and I argued that I didnt think the pools were not that balanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthwestAmAZins View Post
    My early WBCQ host predictions are Culiacan, New Taipei City, Panama & Vancouver
    I think Colombia should have a new stadium by then.

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    I think Colombia should have a new stadium by then.
    Colombia beat Canada so they don't need to qualify.

    If the WBC expanded to 20 teams any thoughts on the WBC including every continent? Africa has been missing the past 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gianc006 View Post
    If the WBC expanded to 20 teams any thoughts on the WBC including every continent? Africa has been missing the past 2.
    Only if an African team qualifies for the main event; South Africa may qualify if they continue to improve on their 2016 form.

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    Here are IMO, the possible 2020 WBCQ hosts in order of likelihood:

    • Taiwan: An experienced WBC host with many stadiums to choose from and due to its relegation, is very likely to be offered a chance to host.

    • Mexico: An experienced WBC host with many stadiums to choose from and due to its relegation, is very likely to be offered a chance to host. Security issues & the controversial 2017 tie-breaker result will only create the illusion of drama.

    • Panama: An experienced WBCQ host that could likely host if Canada or China pass on the opportunity.

    • Nicaragua: The new Denis Martinez Stadium should be completed this year and is MLB standards compliant; it is very likely that a hosting bid will submitted for this venue and they may just get it.

    • United States: The WBC Steering Committee has used U.S. hosts in the previous WBCQs with Jupiter & Brooklyn, so there is still a possibility that it will happen again.

    • Canada: Has several venues that could potentially host a WBCQ round, but they have passed on a previous opportunity to host. Perhaps, it’s that September is the only month of the year they can host or Toronto’s Stadium is too large to host a WBCQ.

    • China: Has never hosted a WBC event, but has the potential for their government to green light the construction of an adequate facility relatively quickly. Although, it is unlikely that will happen and also unlikely that they will host.

    • Germany: An experienced WBCQ host, but also passed on a previous opportunity. Due to their fourth place finish in 2016, the WBC Steering Committee may offer them the opportunity to host a Pre qualifier, but it is very unlikely that they will host a 2020 WBCQ.

    • Brazil, Spain, France, Great Britain, Czech Republic, South Africa, New Zealand, Pakistan & the Philippines: Some have hosted non-WBC events, but their venues are probably not considered MLB compliant, making it highly unlikely any of these countries would host in 2020.
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    Madison Bumgarner didn't want to play in the WBC because he didn't want to risk injury and now he might be out for two months due a stupid dirt bike accident. Shame on him.

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