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    Double Trouble - the Shadow Hall of Fame

    "And then he got an idea..."

    ...what if we doubled the Hall of Fame's membership?

    Let me start by saying this actually would be an awful idea if done in real life, but for the purposes of an interesting project here in the relatively safe confines of our beloved forum, what if we doubled it?

    I think it's fair to say that any player who wouldn't be included in a Hall of Fame twice its actual size probably shouldn't be in the discussion for quite some time because it's not realistic that any such candidate can or should leapfrog better ones. I just thought an exercise like this would help us draw a circle around the more viable candidates.

    The Hall of Fame has 317 members through the 2017 elections. Rather than coming up with a massive 317 candidate list, let's make this easier.

    So here are the rules.

    1. Only former MLB players are required. That's a total of 220 players you'll have to come up with. No more, no less.

    2. Your lists should be broken down by position as follows: 67 x P, 15 x C, 20 x 1B, 20 x 2B, 13 x 3B, 22 x SS, 21 x LF, 18 x CF, 24 x RF. These numbers are culled from how the Hall of Fame classifies its current inductees.

    3. You must use current Hall of Fame guidelines for your selections. Therefore, players on your list must have played at least 10 seasons in the majors between 1871-2011 and not be banned from the game (e.g. Rose, Jackson, Cicotte).

    4. If you choose to do so, you may include 29 additional non-MLB players. To facilitate this, ignore positional restrictions and include Cuban and Japanese, as well as Negro League, players.

    5. If you choose to do so, you may include 68 non-players. To facilitate this, ignore category restrictions other than the individuals must be reasonably categorized as a manager, executive, pioneer or umpire. The non-player (or "contributor") category may include non-MLB selections (e.g. Buck O'Neil, Matsutaro Shoriki). For those interested, non-players are eligible as follows: 10+ seasons for MLB managers and/or umpires and last worked in 2011 or earlier unless born before July 1, 1951, in which case may have worked up through 2015 season. Executives do not have a 10+ year requirement and must also have last worked in MLB in 2011 unless born before October 1, 1946, in which case the executive is eligible even if still active.

    I will tally and maintain the results in the post below to tabulate our collective choices to fill our "Shadow Hall of Fame".

    You can use my ballot as an example. Please list any names in alphabetical order to make recording your choices easier. Thanks.

    Have fun!
    Last edited by Chadwick; 04-09-2017 at 02:07 PM.
    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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    ------------------------------------------------- MY "SHADOW HALL" ----------------------------------------------------


    67 MLB Pitchers
    Babe Adams
    Kevin Appier
    Vida Blue
    Tommy Bond
    Harry Brecheen
    Ted Breitenstein
    Tommy Bridges
    Kevin Brown
    Bob Caruthers
    Roger Clemens
    David Cone
    Wilbur Cooper
    Wes Ferrell
    Chuck Finley
    Larry French
    Bob Friend
    Dwight Gooden
    Ron Guidry
    Mel Harder
    Orel Hershiser
    John Hiller
    Larry Jackson
    Tommy John
    Jim Kaat
    Jimmy Key
    Jerry Koosman
    Dutch Leonard
    Mickey Lolich
    Dolf Luque
    Carl Mays
    Bobby Mathews
    Jim McCormick
    Tony Mullane
    George Mullin
    Mike Mussina
    Don Newcombe
    Bobo Newsom
    Claude Passeau
    Billy Pierce
    Jack Powell
    Dan Quisenberry
    Brad Radke
    Rick Reuschel
    Steve Rogers
    Eddie Rommel
    Schoolboy Rowe
    Nap Rucker
    Bret Saberhagen
    Curt Schilling
    Bob Shawkey
    Urban Shocker
    Dave Stieb
    Jack Stivetts
    Mel Stottlemyre
    Jesse Tannehill
    Luis Tiant
    Dizzy Trout
    George Uhle
    Hippo Vaughn
    Fernando Valenzuela
    Javier Vazquez
    Frank Viola
    Bucky Walters
    Lon Warneke
    Jim Whitney
    Smoky Joe Wood
    Wilbur Wood


    15 MLB Catchers
    Charlie Bennett
    Smoky Burgess
    Jack Clements
    Bill Freehan
    Tom Haller
    Elston Howard
    Jason Kendall
    Thurman Munson
    Lance Parrish
    Darrell Porter
    Jorge Posada
    Wally Schang
    Ted Simmons
    Jim Sundberg
    Gene Tenace


    20 MLB First Basemen
    Dolph Camilli
    Norm Cash
    Will Clark
    Jake Daubert
    Carlos Delgado
    Jack Fournier
    Steve Garvey
    Mark Grace
    Keith Hernandez
    Kent Hrbek
    Gil Hodges
    Ed Konetchy
    Don Mattingly
    Frank McCormick
    Fred McGriff
    Mark McGwire
    John Olerud
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Joe Start
    Bill White


    20 MLB Second Basemen
    Max Bishop
    Cupid Childs
    Tony Cuccinello
    Larry Doyle
    Fred Dunlap
    Lonny Frey
    Jim Gilliam
    Bobby Grich
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Davey Lopes
    Dick McAuliffe
    Gil McDougald
    Danny Murphy
    Buddy Myer
    Del Pratt
    Willie Randolph
    Hardy Richardson
    Eddie Stanky
    Robby Thompson
    Lou Whitaker


    13 MLB Third Basemen
    Dick Allen
    Sal Bando
    Buddy Bell
    Ken Boyer
    Ron Cey
    Bob Elliott
    Darrell Evans
    Heinie Groh
    Stan Hack
    Edgar Martinez
    Graig Nettles
    Robin Ventura
    Matt Williams


    22 MLB Shortstops
    Dick Bartell
    Mark Belanger
    Donie Bush
    Bert Campaneris
    Dave Concepcion
    Bill Dahlen
    Al Dark
    Tony Fernandez
    Art Fletcher
    Jim Fregosi
    Nomar Garciaparra
    Jack Glasscock
    Dick Groat
    Herman Long
    Freddy Parent
    Roger Peckinpaugh
    Johnny Pesky
    Rico Petrocelli
    Vern Stephens
    Alan Trammell
    Cecil Travis
    Maury Wills


    21 MLB Left Fielders
    Moises Alou
    Albert Belle
    Barry Bonds
    Jose Cruz
    George Foster
    Kirk Gibson
    Luis Gonzalez
    Sid Gordon
    Frank Howard
    Bob Johnson
    Charley Jones
    Charlie Keller
    Sherry Magee
    Minnie Minoso
    Tony Phillips
    Manny Ramirez
    Jimmy Sheckard
    Harry Stovey
    Bobby Veach
    Roy White
    Ken Williams


    18 MLB Center Fielders
    Wally Berger
    Pete Browning
    Ellis Burks
    Brett Butler
    Cesar Cedeno
    Willie Davis
    Lenny Dykstra
    Jim Edmonds
    Curt Flood
    George Gore
    Paul Hines
    Chet Lemon
    Kenny Lofton
    Fred Lynn
    Dale Murphy
    Vada Pinson
    Bernie Williams
    Jim Wynn


    24 MLB Right Fielders
    Jesse Barfield
    Bobby Bonds
    Jose Canseco
    Jack Clark
    Rocky Colavito
    Gavvy Cravath
    J.D. Drew
    Dwight Evans
    Brian Giles
    Vladimir Guerrero
    David Justice
    Tony Oliva
    Magglio Ordonez
    Dave Parker
    Tim Salmon
    Gary Sheffield
    Ken Singleton
    Reggie Smith
    Sammy Sosa
    Rusty Staub
    Darryl Strawberry
    Mike Tiernan
    Dixie Walker
    Larry Walker


    ------------------------------------------------- JUST FOR FUN ----------------------------------------------------


    29 Non-MLB Players
    John Beckwith, 3B
    Akira Bessho, P
    Bill Byrd, P
    Perucho Cepeda, SS
    Bingo DeMoss, 2B
    Yutaka Enatsu, P
    Yutaka Fukumoto, CF
    Isao Harimoto, LF
    Tetsuharu Kawakami, 1B
    Kazuhisa Inao, P
    Masaichi Kaneda, P
    Hiromitsu Kadota, RF
    Home Run Johnson, SS
    Dick Lundy, SS
    Oliver Marcelle, 3B
    Dobie Moore, SS
    Shigeo Nagashima, 3B
    Katsuya Nomura, C
    Hiromitsu Ochiai, 1B
    Sadaharu Oh, 1B
    Bruce Petway, C
    Dick Redding, P
    George Scales, 2B
    Victor Starffin, P
    Shigeru Sugishita, P
    Quincy Trouppe, C
    Nip Winters, P
    Wild Bill Wright, RF
    Kazuhiro Yamauchi, CF


    68 MLB Contributors
    Doc Adams
    James Andrews
    Buzzie Bavasi
    Estevan Bellán
    Sy Berger
    Ed Bolden
    Sam Breadon
    Joe L. Brown
    Gussie Busch
    Al Campanis
    Bill Cammeyer
    Jim Campbell
    Frank Cashen
    O.P. Caylor
    Jim Creighton
    Harry Dalton
    L. Bob Davids
    Bing Devine
    Bill Dinneen
    Jack Dunn
    Charles Ebbets
    Al Munro Elias
    Bud Fowler
    Bruce Froemming
    Gus Greenlee
    Vic Harris
    John A. Heydler
    Ralph Houk
    Bob Howsam
    Frank Jobe
    Davey Johnson
    Henry Killea
    Ernest J. Lanigan
    Jim Leyland
    Charlie Manuel
    Billy Martin
    Marvin Miller
    Shigeru Mizuhara
    Danny Murtaugh
    David Neft
    Lefty O’Doul
    Buck O’Neil
    Pete Palmer
    Lou Piniella
    John Quinn
    Al Reach
    Ben Shibe
    Charles Somers
    Alfred H. Spink
    Cedric Tallis
    C.I. Taylor
    Kazuto Tsuruoka
    Ted Turner
    Chris Von der Ahe
    Louis Wadsworth
    Frank Warfield
    Lee Weyer
    William Wheaton
    Last edited by Chadwick; 04-09-2017 at 04:30 PM.
    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadwick View Post
    ------------------------------------------------- MY "SHADOW HALL" ----------------------------------------------------


    68 MLB Contributors
    TBD
    May I suggest:

    Paul Krichell
    Emil Bossard
    George Ellard
    Jim Creighton
    Earnshaw Cook
    Last edited by westsidegrounds; 04-09-2017 at 12:56 PM.

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    LET’S GIVE IT A TRY: PART ONE

    CATCHERS
    Bennett, Charlie
    Boone, Bob
    Clements, Jack
    Freehan, Bill
    Howard, Elston
    Kendall, Jason
    McGuire, Deacon
    Munson, Thurman
    Parrish, Lance
    Porter, Darrell
    Posada, Jorge
    Schang, Wally
    Simmons, Ted
    Sundberg, Jim
    Tenace, Gene

    FIRST BASEMEN
    Camilli, Dolph
    Cash, Norm
    Clark, Will
    Cooper, Cecil
    Daubert, Jake
    Delgado, Carlos
    Galarraga, Andres
    Garvey, Steve
    Grace, Mark
    Hernandez, Keith
    Hodges, Gil
    Konetchy, Ed
    Mattingly, Don
    McGriff, Fred
    McGwire, Mark
    Olerud, John
    Palmeiro, Rafael
    Powell, Boog
    Start, Joe
    Vernon, Mickey

    SECOND BASEMEN
    Bishop, Max
    Childs, Cupid
    Doyle, Larry
    Dunlap, Fred
    Franco, Julio
    Gilliam, Jim
    Grich, Bobby
    Kent, Jeff
    Knoblauch, Chuck
    Lopes, Davey
    McDougald, Gil
    Murphy, Danny
    Myer, Buddy
    Phillips, Tony
    Pratt, Del
    Randolph, Willie
    Richardson, Hardy
    Stanky, Eddie
    Whitaker, Lou
    White, Frank

    SHORTSTOPS
    Bartell, Dick
    Belanger, Mark
    Bush, Donie
    Campaneris, Bert
    Concepcion, Dave
    Dahlen, Bill
    Dark, Al
    Fernandez, Tony
    Fletcher, Art
    Fregosi, Jim
    Garciaparra, Nomar
    Glasscock, Jack
    Groat, Dick
    Kuenn, Harvey
    Long, Herman
    McKean, Ed
    Pesky, Johnny
    Petrocelli, Rico
    Stephens, Vern
    Trammell, Alan
    Travis, Cecil
    Wills, Maury

    THIRD BASEMEN
    Allen, Dick
    Bando, Sal
    Boyer, Ken
    Bell,Buddy
    Cey, Ron
    Elliott, Bob
    Evans, Darrell
    Groh, Heinie
    Hack, Stan
    Martinez, Edgar
    Nettles, Graig
    Sutton, Ezra
    Ventura, Robin
    Last edited by TheSlaff; 04-24-2017 at 12:55 PM.
    Nos Amours! ... 1969-2004

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    PART TWO

    LEFT FIELDERS
    Alou, Moises
    Belle, Albert
    Bonds, Barry
    Burns, George J.
    Cruz, Jose
    Foster, George
    Gibson, Kirk
    Gonzalez, Luis
    Howard, Frank
    Johnson, Bob
    Jones, Charley
    Keller, Charlie
    Magee, Sherry
    Minoso, Minnie
    O'Neill, Tip
    Ramirez, Manny
    Sheckard, Jimmy
    Stovey, Harry
    Veach, Bobby
    White, Roy
    Williams, Ken

    CENTER FIELDERS
    Browning, Pete
    Butler, Brett
    Cedeno, Cesar
    Davis, Chili
    Davis, Willie
    Edmonds, Jim
    Finley, Steve
    Gore, George
    Hines, Paul
    Lofton, Kenny
    Lynn, Fred
    Murphy, Dale
    Oliver, Al
    Pinson, Vada
    Ryan, Jimmy
    Van Haltren, George
    Williams, Bernie
    Wynn, Jim

    RIGHT FIELDERS
    Baines, Harold
    Bonds, Bobby
    Canseco, Jose
    Clark, Jack
    Colavito, Rocky
    Cravath, Gavvy
    Evans, Dwight
    Giles, Brian
    Gonzalez, Juan
    Guerrero, Vladimir
    Herman, Babe
    Oliva, Tony
    O'Neill, Paul
    Ordonez, Magglio
    Parker, Dave
    Salmon, Tim
    Sheffield, Gary
    Singleton, Ken
    Smith, Reggie
    Sosa, Sammy
    Staub, Rusty
    Strawberry, Darryl
    Tiernan, Mike
    Walker, Larry
    Last edited by TheSlaff; 04-24-2017 at 01:00 PM.
    Nos Amours! ... 1969-2004

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    67 MLB Pitchers

    Babe Adams
    Kevin Appier
    Tommy Bond
    Vida Blue
    Harry Brecheen
    Ted Breitenstein
    Tommy Bridges
    Kevin Brown
    Charlie Buffington
    John Candelaria
    Bob Caruthers
    Roger Clemens
    David Cone
    Wilbur Cooper
    Wes Ferrell
    Chuck Finley
    Ned Garver
    Dwight Gooden
    Ron Guidry
    Orel Hershisher
    John Hiller
    Larry Jackson
    Tommy John
    Jim Kaat
    Jimmy Key
    Silver King
    Jerry Koosman
    Mark Langston
    Al Leiter
    Emil "Dutch" Leonard
    Red Lucas
    Dolph Luque
    Carl Mays
    Jim McCormick
    Sam McDowell
    Andy Messersmith
    Tony Mullane
    Mike Mussina
    Don Newcombe
    Claude Passeau
    Billy Pierce
    Jack Quinn
    Dan Quisenberry
    Brad Radke
    Rick Resuchel
    Steve Rogers
    Schoolboy Rowe
    Eddie Romel
    Nap Rucker
    Bret Saberhagen
    Curt Schiling
    Uran Shocker
    Dave Steib
    Jack Stivetts
    Mel Stottlemyre
    Frank Tanana
    Luis Tiant
    Dizzy Trout
    Virgil Trucks
    George Uhle
    Javier Vazquez
    Frank Viola
    Bucky Walters
    Lon Warneke
    David Wells
    Jim Whitney
    Wilbur Wood

    15 MLB Catchers

    Charlie Bennett
    Smokey Burgess
    Jack Clements
    Bill Freehan
    Tom Haller
    Jason Kendall
    Sherm Lollar
    Thurman Munson
    Lance Parrish
    Darrell Porter
    Jorge Posada
    Wally Schang
    Ted Simmons
    Jim Sundberg
    Gene Tenace

    20 MLB First Basemen

    Dolph Camilli
    Norm Cash
    Will Clark
    Carlos Delgado
    Jack Fournier
    Pedro Guerrero
    Mark Grace
    Keith Hernandez
    Gil Hodges
    Kent Hrbek
    Joe Judge
    Ed Konetchy
    Don Mattingly
    Fred McGriff
    Mark McGwire
    John Olerud
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Boog Powell
    Joe Start
    Bill White

    20 MLB Second Basemen

    Max Bishop
    Cupid Childs
    Larry Doyle
    Fred Dunlop
    Lonny Fry
    Jim Gilliam
    Bobby Grich
    Jeff Kent
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Davey Lopes
    Dick McAuliffe
    Gil McDougald
    Buddy Myer
    Tony Phillips
    Del Pratt
    Willie Randolph
    Hardy Richardson
    Eddy Stanky
    Robby Thompson
    Lou Whitaker

    13 MLB Third Basemen

    Dick Allen
    Sal Bando
    Buddy Bell
    Ken Boyer
    Ron Cey
    Bob Elliott
    Darrell Evans
    Heinie Groh
    Stan Hack
    Toby Harrah
    Edgar Martinez
    Graig Nettles
    Robin Ventura

    22 MLB Shortstops

    Dick Bartell
    Mark Belanger
    Jay Bell
    Bert Campaneris
    Ray Chapman
    Bill Dahlen
    Alvin Dark
    Tony Fernandez
    Art Fletcher
    Jim Fregosi
    Nomar Garciaparra
    Jack Glasscock
    Johnny Logan
    Freddy Parent
    Roger Peckinpaugh
    Rico Petrocelli
    Johnny Pesky
    Alan Trammell
    Vern Stephens
    Cecil Travis
    Maury Wills
    Glenn Wright

    21 MLB Left Fielders

    Moises Alou
    Albert Belle
    Barry Bonds
    Jose Cruz
    Brian Downing
    George Foster
    Kirk Gibson
    Luis Gonzalez
    Sid Gordon
    Jeff Heath
    Bob Johnson
    Charlie Keller
    Sherry Magee
    Minnie Minoso
    Manny Ramirez
    Jimmy Sheckard
    Lonnie Smith
    Harry Stovey
    Bobby Veach
    Roy White
    Ken Williams

    18 MLB Center Fielders

    Wally Berger
    Pete Browning
    Brett Butler
    Ellis Burks
    Cesar Cedeno
    Willie Davis
    Lenny Dykstra
    Jim Edmonds
    Curt Flood
    Chet Lemon
    Kenny Lofton
    Fred Lynn
    Dale Murphy
    Vada Pinson
    Devon White
    Bernie Williams
    Willie Wilson
    Jimmy Wynn

    24 MLB Right Fielders

    Jesse Barfield
    Bobby Bonds
    Jose Canseco
    Jack Clark
    Rocky Colavito
    J.D. Drew
    Dwight Evans
    Brian Giles
    Vladimir Guerrero
    Babe Herman
    Tommy Henrich
    David Justice
    Roger Maris
    Tony Oliva
    Tim Salmon
    Reggie Sanders
    Gary Sheffield
    Ken Singleton
    Reggie Smith
    Sammy Sosa
    Darryl Strawberry
    Mike Tiernan
    Dixie Walker
    Larry Walker
    Last edited by NJRob65; 04-11-2017 at 01:34 PM.

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    Very nice, guys. I'll start tallying these some time this weekend. I'll have some questions for you individually at that point. Impressed with some of the names you guys came up with that I didn't have.
    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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    I just don't have 220 candidates, I'm afraid, so I don't know if my voice counts. But I'll just throw in - in addition to the "contributors" I mentioned above - Steve O'Neill. He's kind of the catching equivalent of Bill Mazeroski (whose selection I support): possibly the best fielder ever at a crucial defensive position. "... for much of his 17-year major-league career he was arguably the best all-around backstop in the game." says the SABR bio at bbref. He was also 1,040-821 as a manager, with never a losing season, if that helps.
    Last edited by westsidegrounds; 04-12-2017 at 12:15 PM.

  10. #10
    There are 23 managers in the Hall of Fame. If I had to the next-best group of 23 managers, Steve O'Neill would be in there.
    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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    Manny Sanguillen should definitely be in a Hall of Very Good catchers. Overshadowed by Bench in the 70s, but still an outstanding catcher. Too bad we don't have pitch framing numbers from this era, and Sanguillen was a lethal hitter. I would either jettison Tom Haller, or one of the 19th century guys we have very little info on.

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    PART THREE

    PITCHERS (FINAL VERSION)
    Adams, Babe
    Appier, Kevin
    Blue, Vida
    Bond, Tommy
    Bridges, Tommy
    Brown, Kevin
    Caruthers, Bob
    Clemens, Roger
    Cone, David
    Cooper, Wilbur
    Cuellar, Mike
    Ferrell, Wes
    Finley, Chuck
    Franco, John
    French, Larry
    Gooden, Dwight
    Guidry, Ron
    Harder, Mel
    Hershiser, Orel
    Hiller, John
    Hoffman, Trevor
    Jackson, Larry
    John, Tommy
    Kaat, Jim
    Key, Jimmy
    Koosman, Jerry
    Leever, Sam
    Leonard, Dutch
    Lolich, Mickey
    Luque, Dolf
    Marberry, Firpo
    Martinez, Dennis
    Mathews, Bobby
    Mays, Carl
    McCormick, Jim
    Morris, Jack
    Mullane, Tony
    Mullin, George
    Mussina, Mike
    Newcombe, Don
    Phillippe, Deacon
    Pierce, Billy
    Quinn, Jack
    Quisenberry, Dan
    Reuschel, Rick
    Rogers, Steve
    Rommel, Eddie
    Root, Charlie
    Saberhagen, Bret
    Schilling, Curt
    Shawkey, Bob
    Shocker, Urban
    Smith, Lee
    Stieb, Dave
    Stivetts, Jack
    Tanana, Frank
    Tannehill, Jesse
    Tiant, Luis
    Vaughn, Hippo
    Viola, Frank
    Wagner, Billy
    Walters, Bucky
    Warneke, Lon
    Wells, David
    Wetteland, John
    Wood, Joe
    Wood, Wilbur
    Last edited by TheSlaff; 04-24-2017 at 01:00 PM.
    Nos Amours! ... 1969-2004

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    In the process of revamping my rankings, will start with pitchers.

    Thanks for the thread Chadwick!

    Babe Adams
    Kevin Appier
    Vida Blue
    Tommy Bond
    Tommy Bridges
    Kevin Brown
    Charlie Buffinton
    Bob Caruthers
    Roger Clemens
    David Cone
    Wilbur Cooper
    Wes Ferrell
    Chuck Finley
    Larry French
    Doc Gooden
    Ron Guidry
    Noodles Hahn
    Mel Harder
    Orlando Hernandez - bump for Cuban league credit
    Orel Hershiser
    Trevor Hoffman
    Larry Jackson
    Tommy John
    Jim Kaat
    Jimmy Key
    Jerry Koosman
    Mark Langston
    Dutch Leonard
    Mickey Lolich
    Dolf Luque
    Sal Maglie - bump for Mexican league credit
    Dennis Martinez
    Carl Mays
    Jim McCormick
    Lindy McDaniel
    Jamie Moyer
    Tony Mullane
    Mike Mussina
    Don Newcombe
    Camilo Pascual
    Claude Passeau
    Billy Pierce
    Jack Quinn
    Rick Reuschel
    Kenny Rogers
    Steve Rogers
    Eddie Rommel
    Schoolboy Rowe
    Bret Saberhagen
    Johnny Sain
    Curt Schilling
    Urban Shocker
    Dave Stieb
    Frank Tanana
    Luis Tiant
    Dizzy Trout
    George Uhle
    Fernando Valenzuela
    Hippo Vaughn
    Javier Vazquez
    Frank Viola
    Billy Wagner
    Bucky Walters
    Lon Warneke
    David Wells
    Jim Whitney
    Wilbur Wood

    Catchers: - deep position
    Charlie Bennett
    Del Crandall
    Bill Freehan
    Elston Howard
    Jason Kendall
    Javier Lopez
    Cal McVey
    Thurman Munson
    Lance Parrish
    Darrell Porter
    Jorge Posada
    Wally Schang
    Ted Simmons
    Jim Sundberg
    Gene Tenace

    First Basemen: - very shallow
    Dolph Camili
    Norm Cash
    Will Clark
    Harry Davis
    Carlos Delgado
    Elbie Fletcher
    Jack Fournier
    Pedro Guerrero
    Keith Hernandez
    Gil Hodges
    Ed Konetchy
    Don Mattingly
    Fred McGriff
    Mark McGwire
    John Olerud
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Boog Powell
    Joe Start
    Fred Tenney
    Rudy York

    Second Basemen: - loaded with HOF:
    Bobby Avila
    Ross Barnes
    Max Bishop
    Cupid Childs
    Fred Dunlap
    Julio Franco
    Lonny Frey
    Jim Gilliam
    Bobby Grich
    Jeff Kent
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Davey Lopes
    Dick McAulife
    Gil McDougald
    Tony Phillips
    Del Pratt
    Eddie Stanky
    Willie Randolph
    Hardy Richardson
    Lou Whitaker

    Third Basemen: - I'd be fine with these guys in the regular hall, let alone a shadow.
    Dick Allen
    Sal Bando
    Buddy Bell
    Ken Boyer
    Ron Cey
    Darrell Evans
    Heinie Groh
    Stan Hack
    Tommy Leach
    Edgar Martinez
    Greg Nettles
    Robin Ventura
    Ed Williamson

    Shortstop: - well balanced
    Dick Bartell
    Jay Bell
    Donie Bush
    Bert Campaneris
    Bill Dahlen
    Al Dark
    David Concepcion
    Tony Fernandez
    Art Fletcher
    Jim Fregosi
    Nomar Garciaparra
    Jack Glasscock
    Toby Harrah
    Dickey Pearce
    Roger Peckinpaugh
    Johnny Pesky
    Rico Petrocelli
    Phil Rizzuto
    Vern Stephens
    Alan Trammell
    Cecil Travis
    Maury Wills

    Will try to update outfielders this week (the positions become blurry for me).
    Last edited by Jar of Flies; 04-23-2017 at 08:56 PM.

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    Chadwick, no love for Grantland Rice? I think between his newspaper and radio work, he did more for the game than a lot of guys on your list.
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  15. #15
    Cool idea. I'll try to post something when I get a chance. Just a heads up: the earliest era of baseball does not have a 10 year limit for eligibility. Ross Barnes, Cal McVey and several other players were considered for the final ballot the last go around for the VC voting and there is a precedent for the HOF making an exemption in Addie Joss.
    Last edited by jjpm74; 04-21-2017 at 12:19 PM.

  16. #16
    Catchers (15):

    Charlie Bennett
    Smoky Burgess
    Duke Farrell
    Bill Freehan
    Elston Howard
    Jason Kendall
    Johnny Kling
    Sherm Lollar
    Deacon McGuire
    Thurman Munson
    Steve O'Neill
    Jorge Posada
    Wally Schang
    Ted Simmons
    Chief Zimmer

    First Base (20):

    Dolph Camilli
    Norm Cash
    Will Clark
    Harry Davis
    Carlos Delgado
    Jack Fournier
    Steve Garvey
    Mark Grace
    Keith Hernandez
    Gil Hodges
    Joe Judge
    Ted Kluszewski
    Ed Kontechy
    Don Mattingly
    Fred McGriff
    Mark McGwire
    John Olerud
    Rafael Palmiero
    Joe Start
    Bill White

    Second Base (20):

    Max Bishop
    Tony Cuccinello
    Cupid Childs
    Larry Doyle
    Fred Dunlap
    Julio Franco
    Jim Gilliam
    Bobby Grich
    Ron Hunt
    Jeff Kent
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Davey Lopes
    Dick McAuliffe
    Buddy Myer
    Del Pratt
    Willie Randolph
    Hardy Richardson
    Alfonso Soriano
    Lou Whitaker
    Frank White

    Third Basemen (13):

    Dick Allen
    Sal Bando
    Buddy Bell
    Ken Boyer
    Lave Cross
    Bob Elliott
    Darrell Evans
    Heinie Groh
    Stan Hack
    Tommy Leach
    Edgar Martinez
    Graig Nettles
    Al Rosen

    Shortstops (23):

    Dick Bartell
    Mark Belanger
    Jay Bell
    Bert Campaneris
    Dave Concepcion
    Bill Dahlen
    Al Dark
    Jim Fregosi
    Tony Fernandez
    Art Fletcher
    Nomar Garciaparra
    Jack Glasscock
    Dick Groat
    Eddie Joost
    Billy Jurges
    Herman Long
    Marty Marion
    Ed McKean
    Roger Peckinpaugh
    Johnny Pesky
    Vern Stephens
    Alan Trammell
    Maury Wills

    Left Fielders (21):

    Albert Belle
    Barry Bonds
    George Burns
    Jose Cruz
    George Foster
    Brian Downing
    Kirk Gibson
    Luis Gonzalez
    Frank Howard
    Bob Johnson
    Charley Jones
    Fielder Jones
    Charlie Keller
    Sherry Magee
    Minnie Minoso
    Tip O'Neill
    Tony Philips
    Riggs Stephenson
    Harry Stovey
    Bobby Veach
    Roy White

    Center Fielders (18):

    Wally Berger
    Pete Browning
    Cesar Cedeno
    Willie Davis
    Dom DiMaggio
    Jim Edmonds
    Steve Finley
    Paul Hines
    Dummy Hoy
    Chet Lemon
    Kenny Lofton
    Amos Otis
    Lip Pike
    Vada Pinson
    Reggie Smith
    Devon White
    Bernie Williams
    Jimmy Wynn

    Right Fielders (24):

    Harold Baines
    Jesse Barfield
    Hank Bauer
    Bobby Bonds
    Jack Clark
    Gavvy Cravath
    Rocky Colavito
    Dwight Evans
    Ken Griffey Sr.
    Vlad Guerrero
    Tommy Henrich
    Babe Herman
    Roger Maris
    Bobby Murcer
    Bill Nicholson
    Paul O'Neill
    Tony Oliva
    Dave Parker
    Manny Ramirez
    Gary Sheffield
    Sammy Sosa
    Darryl Strawberry
    Rusty Staub
    Larry Walker

    Pitchers (67):

    Ewell Blackwell
    Vida Blue
    Tommy Bond
    Harry Brecheen
    Tommy Bridges
    Kevin Brown
    Bob Caruthers
    Dean Chance
    Roger Clemens
    Dave Cone
    Nig Cuppy
    Bill Dinneen
    Wes Ferrell
    Chuck Finley
    Doc Gooden
    Ron Guidry
    Mel Harder
    Tom Henke
    John Hiller
    Trevor Hoffman
    Tommy John
    Jim Kaat
    Jimmy Key
    Jim Konstanty
    Jerry Koosman
    Max Lanier
    Dutch Leonard (1913-1925)
    Dutch Leonard (1933-1953)
    Mickey Lolich
    Dolf Luque
    Sal Maglie
    Firpo Marberry
    Bobby Mathews
    Carl Mays
    Jim McCormick
    Denny McLain
    Jack Morris
    Jamie Moyer
    Don Newcombe
    Billy Pierce
    Tony Mullane
    Mike Mussina
    Jesse Orosco
    Jack Quinn
    Dan Quisenberry
    Rick Reuschel
    Jose Rijo
    Bret Saberhagen
    Curt Schilling
    Bobby Shantz
    Urban Shocker
    Lee Smith
    Dave Stieb
    Mel Stottlemyer
    Frank Tanana
    Kent Tekulve
    Luis Tiant Jr.
    John Tudor
    Hippo Vaughn
    Frank Viola
    Billy Wagner
    Bucky Walters
    Lon Warneke
    David Wells
    Smoky Joe Wood
    Wilbur Wood

    Non-MLB (29):

    Buzz Arlett (I don't know where else to stick him; he was stuck in the PCL his entire career because of the reserve clause)
    John Beckwith
    Akira Bessho
    Rev Cannady
    Perucho Cepeda
    Bus Clarkson
    Bingo DeMoss
    Hector Espino
    Isao Harimoto
    Orlando Hernandez (Because his late arrival from Cuba impacted his career)
    Pete Hill
    Bill Jackman
    Heavy Johnson
    Home Run Johnson
    Masaichi Kaneda
    Tetsuharu Kawakami
    Dick Lundy
    Bill Monroe
    Dobie Moore
    Shigeo Nagashima
    Katsuya Nomura
    Sadaharu Oh
    Spotswood Poles
    Dick Redding
    Tubby Scales
    Chino Smith
    Quincy Trouppe
    Victor Starffin
    Luis Tiant Sr.
    Wild Bill Wright

    Contributors (68):

    Doc Adams
    Doug Allison
    Ross Barnes
    Buzzie Bavasi
    Estavan Bellan
    Jim Creighton
    L Robert Davids
    Al Munro Elias
    Theo Epstein
    Bud Fowler
    Terry Francona
    Pat Gillick
    Whitey Herzog
    Bob Howsam
    Bill James
    Dave Johnson
    Joe Leggett
    Jim Leyland
    Billy Martin
    Marvin Miller
    Shigeru Mizuhara
    Danny Murtaugh
    Shigeo Nagashima
    David Neft
    Cal McVey
    Lefty O'Doul
    Buck O'Niel
    Lou Pinella
    Al Reach
    John Schuerholz
    Matsuharo Shoriki
    J. G Taylor Spink
    Louis Wadsworth
    Harry Wendelstedt
    William Wheaton
    Kenichi Zenimura
    Last edited by jjpm74; 04-21-2017 at 06:13 PM.

  17. #17
    Just a reminder that Johnny Sain had a great reputation as a pitching coach/teacher/guru.

    Also, Contributor Credit for Charlie Lau?

  18. #18
    Mine is about as finished as it is going to be. I don't think I have the patience to come up with another 30+ contributors.
    Last edited by jjpm74; 04-21-2017 at 06:13 PM.

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    PART FOUR

    NON-MLB PLAYERS
    Arlett, Buzz
    Beckwith, John
    Boone, Ike
    Brunet, George
    Cepeda, Perucho
    DeMoss, Bingo
    Donaldson, John
    Espino, Hector
    Harimoto, Isao
    Hauser, Joe
    Hill, Pete
    Inao, Kazuhisa
    Jolley, Smead
    Kaneda, Masaichi
    Lundy, Dick
    Marcelle, Ollie
    Nagashima, Shigeo
    Nomura, Katsuya
    Oh, Sadaharu
    Petway, Bruce
    Poles, Spottswood
    Redding, Dick
    Shellenback, Frank
    Starfinn, Victor
    Statz, Jigger
    Stovey, George
    Tiant, Luis sr
    Trouppe, Quincy
    Winters, Nip
    Nos Amours! ... 1969-2004

  20. #20
    Great start, gentlemen.

    I'm going to give until the end of April for people to "finish" their lists before I tally the data and post the cumulative results. Those will be re-tabulated periodically so once that happens I will just need a new post mentioning what changes you've made going forward.

    Thanks!
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    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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