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    I can post a rough draft for position players, but I'm currently trying to weigh how much RE24 and clutch value should be incorporated into my analysis?

    Thoughts by y'all? Thanks!

    Infielders prelim posted.
    Last edited by Jar of Flies; 04-23-2017 at 08:57 PM.

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    PART FIVE !

    I cheated a bit ...

    I have included some media people (writers, broadcasters, ...) in my list of contributors in order to reach 68 names, even if they are not supposed to be eligible.
    They must not have received the Ford C. Frick Award or the J.G. Taylor Spink Award.

    CONTRIBUTORS
    Adams, Doc
    Allison, Doug
    Alou, Felipe
    Barnes, Ross
    Bavasi, Buzzie
    Bellan, Estevan
    Berger, Sy
    Bolden, Ed
    Brainard, Asa
    Breadon, Sam
    Catto, Octavius V.
    Caylor, O.P.
    Creighton, Jim
    Curry, Duncan
    Dalton, Harry
    Davids, L. Bob
    Dedeaux, Rod
    Doucet, Jacques
    Dunn, Jack
    Elias, Al Munro
    Foster, John B.
    Fowler, Bud
    Froemming, Bruce
    Grimm, Charlie
    Harris, Vic
    Hemond, Roland
    Heydler, John
    Houk, Ralph
    James, Bill
    Johnson, Davey
    Jobe, Frank
    Kawakami, Tetsuharu
    Krichell, Paul
    Lanigan, Ernest
    Lau, Charlie
    Leggett, Joe
    Leyland, Jim
    Lucadello, Tony
    Manuel, Charlie
    Martin, Billy
    Mauch, Gene
    McKeon, Jack
    McVey, Cal
    Miller, Marvin
    Murtaugh, Danny
    Mutrie, Jim
    O'Doul, Lefty
    O'Neil, Buck
    O'Neill, Steve
    Pearce, Dickey
    Piniella, Lou
    Reach, Al
    Shibe, Ben
    Shoriki, Matsutaro
    Spink, Alfred H.
    Somers, Charles
    Steinbrenner, George
    Tallis, Cedric
    Taylor, C.I.
    Tsuruoka, Kazuto
    Tucker, William H.
    Von der Ahe, Chris
    Wadsworth, Louis
    Walker, Moses Fleetwood
    Wheaton, William
    Williams, Jimy
    Wilson, Horace
    Zimmer, Don
    Last edited by TheSlaff; 04-24-2017 at 02:00 PM.
    Nos Amours! ... 1969-2004

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    67 Pitchers
    1. Kershaw, Clayton – Los Angeles Dodgers
    2. Schilling, Curt – Philadelphia Phillies
    3. Gooden, Dwight – New York Mets
    4. Saberhagen, Bret – Kansas City Royals
    5. Santana, Johan – Minnesota Twins
    6. Ferrell, Wes – Cleveland Indians
    7. Oswalt, Roy – Houston Astros
    8. Hudson, Tim – Atlanta Braves
    9. Tiant, Luis – Boston Red Sox
    10. Sabathia, C.C. – Cleveland Indians
    11. Walters, Bucky – Cincinnati Reds
    12. Cone, David – New York Mets
    13. Hernandez, Felix – Seattle Mariners
    14. Kaneda, Masaichi – Kokutestu Swallows
    15. Caruthers, Bob – St. Louis Browns [ne: Cardinals]
    16. Stieb, Dave – Toronto Blue Jays
    17. Pettitte, Andy – New York Yankees
    18. John, Tommy – Los Angeles Dodgers
    19. Reuschel, Rick – Chicago Cubs
    20. Buehrle, Mark – Chicago White Sox
    21. Shocker, Urban – New York Yankees
    22. Verlander, Justin – Detroit Tigers
    23. Spalding, Al – Boston Red Stockings
    24. Hershiser, Orel – Los Angeles Dodgers
    25. Lee, Cliff – Philadelphia Phillies
    26. Finley, Chuck – California Angels
    27. Pierce, Billy – Chicago White Sox
    28. Appier, Kevin – Kansas City Royals
    29. Guidry, Ron – New York Yankees
    30. Wood, Wilbur – Chicago White Sox
    31. Tanana, Frank – Detroit Tigers
    32. Lolich, Mickey – Detroit Tigers
    33. Quinn, Jack – Philadelphia Athletics
    34. Koosman, Jerry – New York Mets
    35. Kaat, Jim – Minnesota Twins
    36. Key, Jimmy – Toronto Blue Jays
    37. Jackson, Larry – St. Louis Cardinals
    38. Wells, David – Toronto Blue Jays
    39. Viola, Frank – Minnesota Twins
    40. Bridges, Tommy – Detroit Tigers
    41. Trout, Dizzy – Detroit Tigers
    42. Mays, Carl – Boston Red Sox
    43. Vaughn, Hippo – Chicago Cubs
    44. Rommel, Eddie – Philadelphia Athletics
    45. Rucker, Nap – Brooklyn Superbas
    46. Cooper, Wilbur – Pittsburgh Pirates
    47. Adams, Babe – Pittsburgh Pirates
    48. Langston, Mark – Seattle Mariners
    49. Rogers, Kenny – Texas Rangers
    50. Powell, Jack – St. Louis Browns
    51. Hahn, Noodles – Cincinnati Reds
    52. Tannehill, Jesse – Pittsburgh Pirates
    53. Orth, Al – Philadelphia Phillies
    54. Brown, Ray – Homestead Grays
    55. Newcombe, Don – Brooklyn Dodgers
    56. Wood, Smoky Joe – Boston Red Sox
    57. Brewer, Chet – Kansas City Monarchs
    58. McDowell, Sam – Cleveland Indians
    59. Donaldson, John – Kansas City Monarchs
    60. McCormick, Jim – Cleveland Blues
    61. Mullane, Tony – Cincinnati Reds
    62. Griffith, Clark – Chicago Colts
    63. Starffin, Victor – Yomiuri Giants
    64. Breecheen, Harry – St. Louis Cardinals
    65. Gomez, Lefty – New York Yankees
    66. Zambrano, Carlos – Chicago Cubs
    67. Inao, Kazuhisa – Nishitetsu Lions


    15 Catchers
    1. Mauer, Joe – Minnesota Twins
    2. Molina, Yadier – St. Louis Cardinals
    3. Freehan, Bill – Detroit Tigers
    4. Simmons, Ted – St. Louis Cardinals
    5. Posada, Jorge – New York Yankees
    6. Porter, Darrell – Kansas City Royals
    7. Torre, Joe – St. Louis Cardinals
    8. Sundberg, Jim – Texas Rangers
    9. Schang, Wally – Philadelphia Athletics
    10. Parrish, Lance – Detroit Tigers
    11. Posey, Buster – San Francisco Giants
    12. Nomura, Katsuya – Nankai Hawks
    13. Kendall, Jason – Pittsburgh Pirates
    14. Bennett, Charlie – Detroit Wolverines
    15. Tettleton, Mickey – Detroit Tigers


    20 First Basemen
    1. Pujols, Albert – St. Louis Cardinals
    2. Thome, Jim – Cleveland Indians
    3. Cabrera, Miguel – Detroit Tigers
    4. Oh, Sadaharu – Yomiuri Giants
    5. Clark, Will – San Francisco Giants
    6. Helton, Todd – Colorado Rockies
    7. Allen, Dick – Philadelphia Phillies
    8. McGriff, Fred – Atlanta Braves
    9. Delgado, Carlos – Toronto Blue Jays
    10. Hernandez, Keith – New York Mets
    11. Start, Joe – Atlantic
    12. Mattingly, Don – New York Yankees
    13. Olerud, John – Toronto Blue Jays
    14. Votto, Joey – Cincinnati Reds
    15. Hodges, Gil – Brooklyn Dodgers
    16. Teixeira, Mark – New York Yankees
    17. Grace, Mark – Chicago Cubs
    18. Gonzalez, Adrian – San Diego Padres
    19. Konerko, Paul – Chicago White Sox
    20. Howard, Ryan – Philadelphia Phillies


    20 Second Basemen
    1. Barnes, Ross – Boston Red Stockings
    2. Johnson, Home Run – Brooklyn Royal Giants
    3. Utley, Chase – Philadelphia Phillies
    4. Whitaker, Lou – Detroit Tigers
    5. Pedroia, Dustin – Boston Red Sox
    6. Kent, Jeff – San Francisco Giants
    7. Grich, Bobby – California Angels
    8. Randolph, Willie – New York Yankees
    9. DeMoss, Bingo – Chicago American Giants
    10. Kinsler, Ian – Texas Rangers
    11. Lopes, Davey – Los Angeles Dodgers
    12. McDougald, Gil – New York Yankees
    13. Allen, Newt – Kansas City Monarchs
    14. Knoblauch, Chuck – Minnesota Twins
    15. Richardson, Hardy – Buffalo Bisons
    16. Childs, Cupid – Cleveland Spiders
    17. Doyle, Larry – New York Giants
    18. Polanco, Placido – Philadelphia Phillies
    19. Myer, Buddy – Cincinnati Reds
    20. Phillips, Tony – Oakland Athletics


    13 Third Basemen
    1. Beltre, Adrian – Los Angeles Dodgers
    2. Rolen, Scott – St. Louis Cardinal
    3. Martinez, Edgar – Seattle Mariners
    4. Boyer, Ken – St. Louis Cardinals
    5. Wright, David – New York Mets
    6. Nagashima, Shigeo – Yomiuri Giants
    7. Bando, Sal – Oakland Athletics
    8. Groh, Heinie – Cincinnati Reds
    9. Bell, Buddy – Cleveland Indians
    10. McGraw, John – Baltimore Orioles [NL]
    11. Longoria, Evan – Tampa Bay Rays
    12. Harrah, Toby – Texas Rangers
    13. Nettles, Graig – New York Yankees


    22 Shorstops
    1. Garciaparra, Nomar – Boston Red Sox
    2. Trammel, Alan – Detroit Tigers
    3. Ward, John Montgomery – New York Giants
    4. Glasscock, Jack – Indianapolis Hoosiers
    5. Cepeda, Perucho – Santurce Crabbers
    6. Dahlen, Bill – Chicago Colts
    7. Campaneris, Bert – Oakland Athletics
    8. Tulowitzki, Troy – Colorado Rockies
    9. Tejada, Miguel – Oakland Athletics
    10. Fregosi, Jim – Los Angeles Angels
    11. Ramirez, Hanley – Florida Marlins
    12. Clarkson, Bus – Philadelphia Stars & Boston Braves
    13. Stephens, Vern – St. Louis Browns
    14. Beckwith, John – Chicago Giants
    15. Rollins, Jimmy – Philadelphia Phillies
    16. Reyes, Jose – New York Mets
    17. Wright, George – Boston Red Stockings
    18. Vizquel, Omar – Cleveland Indians
    19. Fernandez, Tony – Toronto Blue Jays
    20. Petrocelli, Rico – Boston Red Sox
    21. Belanger, Mark – Baltimore Orioles
    22. Long, Herman – Boston Beaneaters


    21 Left Field
    1. Belle, Albert – Cleveland Indians
    2. Berkman, Lance – Houston Astros
    3. Soriano, Alfonso – Chicago Cubs
    4. Magee, Sherry – Philadelphia Phillies
    5. Holliday, Matt – St. Louis Cardinals
    6. Johnson, Indian Bob – Philadelphia Athletics
    7. Foster, George – Cincinnati Reds
    8. Cruz, Jose – Houston Astros
    9. Veach, Bobby – Detroit Tigers
    10. Stovey, Harry – Philadelphia Athletics [AA]
    11. Keller, Charlie – New York Yankees
    12. Crawford, Carl – Tampa Bay Devil Rays
    13. Smith, Lonnie – Atlanta Braves
    14. Lyons, Jimmy – St. Louis Giants
    15. Mitchell, Kevin – San Francisco Giants
    16. Williams, Ken – St. Louis Browns
    17. Gordon, Alex – Kansas City Royals
    18. Downing, Brian – California Angels
    19. Alou, Moises – Montreal Expos
    20. White, Roy – New York Yankees
    21. Howard, Frank – Washington Senators [Exp.]


    21 Center Fielders
    1. Murphy, Dale – Atlanta Braves
    2. Jones, Andruw – Atlanta Braves
    3. Edmonds, Jim – St. Louis Cardinals
    4. Trout, Mike – Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
    5. Beltran, Carlos – New York Mets
    6. Lofton, Kenny – Cleveland Indians
    7. Pinson, Vada – Cincinnati Reds
    8. Davis, Eric – Cincinnati Reds
    9. Cedeno, Cesar – Houston Astros
    10. Wynn, Jim – Houston Astros
    11. Williams, Bernie – New York Yankees
    12. Damon, Johnny – Boston Red Sox
    13. Hunter, Torii – Minnesota Twins
    14. Lynn, Fred – Boston Red Sox
    15. Van Slyke, Andy – Pittsburgh Pirates
    16. Cameron, Mike – Seattle Mariners
    17. White, Devon – Toronto Blue Jays
    18. Otis, Amos – Kansas City Royals
    19. Blair, Paul – Baltimore Orioles
    20. Lankford, Ray – St. Louis Cardinals
    21. McGee, Willie – St. Louis Cardinals


    24 Right Fielders
    1. Guerrero, Vladimir – Montreal Expos
    2. Suzuki, Ichiro – Orix BlueWave | Seattle Mariners
    3. Walker, Larry – Colorado Rockies
    4. Abreu, Bobby – Philadelphia Phillies
    5. Evans, Dwight – Boston Red Sox
    6. Smith, Reggie – Boston Red Sox
    7. Giles, Brian – San Diego Padres
    8. Parker, Dave – Pittsburgh Pirates
    9. Strawberry, Darryl – New York Mets
    10. Bonds, Bobby – San Francisco Giants
    11. Oliva, Tony – Minnesota Twins
    12. Colavito, Rocky – Cleveland Indians
    13. Maris, Roger – New York Yankees
    14. Gibson, Kirk – Detroit Tigers
    15. Clark, Jack – St. Louis Cardinals
    16. Staub, Rusty – Montreal Expos
    17. O’Neill, Paul – New York Yankees
    18. Alou, Felipe – Atlanta Braves
    19. Barfield, Jesse – Toronto Blue Jays
    20. Justice, David – Atlanta Braves
    21. Drew, J.D. – St. Louis Cardinals
    22. Singleton, Ken – Baltimore Orioles
    23. Sanders, Reggie – Cincinnati Reds
    24. Callison, Johnny – Philadelphia Phillies
    Last edited by bluesky5; 04-25-2017 at 05:50 PM.
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    Bluesky5: I see 7 players on your list who are already in the Hall: Clark Griffith, Ray Brown, Al Spalding, Joe Torre, John McGraw, John Ward and George Wright.
    Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

    Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakshow View Post
    Bluesky5: I see 7 players on your list who are already in the Hall: Clark Griffith, Ray Brown, Al Spalding, Joe Torre, John McGraw, John Ward and George Wright.
    A bunch of players are also ineligible because they played after 2011.
    *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakshow View Post
    Bluesky5: I see 7 players on your list who are already in the Hall: Clark Griffith, Ray Brown, Al Spalding, Joe Torre, John McGraw, John Ward and George Wright.
    How long do I have to rectify it?
    "I go all out. And I'm going to bring that to the table every day, in good times and bad times." - Eric Byrnes

    "...far too many people want to retroactively apply today's standards to yesterday's players, as if they played the game under the same assumptions and just heedlessly and obdurately plowed on in their own groove." - Los Bravos

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesky5 View Post
    How long do I have to rectify it?
    Probably as long as you want.

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