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    John Sickels with a look back at Eric Thames as a prospect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ipitch View Post
    -1.7 dWAR is dragging it down.

    Still a player who hits .373/.481/.910, 266 OPS+ with 86 HR, 65 doubles, 237 hits, 111 walks, and 561 TB would only generate 14 WAR? When Ruth generated 14.1 WAR in 1923 Ruth hit .393/.545/.764, 239 OPS+, 41 HR, 45 doubles, 170 BB, 399 TB. Maybe a WAR expert can explain this to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    Still a player who hits .373/.481/.910, 266 OPS+ with 86 HR, 65 doubles, 237 hits, 111 walks, and 561 TB would only generate 14 WAR? When Ruth generated 14.1 WAR in 1923 Ruth hit .393/.545/.764, 239 OPS+, 41 HR, 45 doubles, 170 BB, 399 TB. Maybe a WAR expert can explain this to me.
    Well, if one was a very good defender and the other very poor, that could be a 3 WAR difference right there. Ruth was a +19 in 1923 and Thames in on pace to be -8. 2.7 WAR gap without any other adjustments whatsoever. That is probably enough to close a 27 point OPS+ gap on it's own. WAR is also based more on weighted events - so looking at their wRC+ gap would probably get you close than their OPS+ gap - my guess is that Ruth's wRC+ would be relatively higher.

    And then you have baserunning. 1923 Ruth was probably a better baserunner than Thames. But that s just a guess. And you also have differences in runs to wins conversion (though that would help whoever played in the lower runs-scoring environment.) Other small factors.

    But as James Carville would say - "Its the defense, stupid."
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    Thames hit another one tonight. #11.
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    #11 sets a new franchise mark for HRs in April besting Carlos Lee's ten HRs in 2006.
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    He's already beaten his projected value for the season.

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    I was lucky enough to draft him in my fantasy league. He went 239th overall in a ten team league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank View Post
    I was lucky enough to draft him in my fantasy league. He went 239th overall in a ten team league.
    Reminds me of when i nabbed Pablo Sandoval in the 18th round back in 2009. I destroyed my league that year and haven't played fantasy baseball since. I figured I'd retire in my prime, like Barry Sanders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Reminds me of when i nabbed Pablo Sandoval in the 18th round back in 2009. I destroyed my league that year and haven't played fantasy baseball since. I figured I'd retire in my prime, like Barry Sanders.
    In 2005 I drafted Derek Lee as my backup first baseman in like the 10th round. Lee gave me a prime Albert Pujols season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    In 2005 I drafted Derek Lee as my backup first baseman in like the 10th round. Lee gave me a prime Albert Pujols season.
    Don't remind me....i took Lee in the first or second round the next year.
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    The league definitely respects him, 40% pitches in the zone and less than 50% fastballs. And he is not chasing, currently an excellent 19.8% chase rate out of the zone. Maybe his experience in Korea helped him, he said he would see tons of offspeed pitches out of the zone (obviously they did not want to challenge him with 88 mph "heat").

    So it seems like pitchers will need to find holes within the strike zone which makes the job a lot tougher (compared to a guy like odor who will chase sliders in the dirt often).
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    Doesn't anyone know what the record is for most homeruns against a single opponent in one month? Thames is up to 8 versus the Reds in April.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank View Post
    Doesn't anyone know what the record is for most homeruns against a single opponent in one month? Thames is up to 8 versus the Reds in April.
    how many HR has barry bonds hit in his best month against the rockies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank View Post
    Doesn't anyone know what the record is for most homeruns against a single opponent in one month? Thames is up to 8 versus the Reds in April.
    "Thames’ eight homers against the Reds tie the most any player has hit against any team in a calendar month in MLB history. Three other players went deep eight times against a particular opponent in a calendar month: Babe Ruth against the Philadelphia Athletics in May of 1930, Willie Stargell against the Braves in April 1971 and Deron Johnson against the Montreal Expos in July 1971."

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    Does the 8 against cincy make it a little questionable? He only hit 3 against other teams (pace for 4.25) and 8 against cincy.
    Last year the reds had one of the worst staffs ever. Granted they are off to a respectable 10-11 start and their era is just 4.4 and not 4.9 like last year but they are probably still one of the worst true talent teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    Still a player who hits .373/.481/.910, 266 OPS+ with 86 HR, 65 doubles, 237 hits, 111 walks, and 561 TB would only generate 14 WAR? When Ruth generated 14.1 WAR in 1923 Ruth hit .393/.545/.764, 239 OPS+, 41 HR, 45 doubles, 170 BB, 399 TB. Maybe a WAR expert can explain this to me.
    WAR is relative to league, park, and includes defense and baserunning. Babe Ruth was an only slightly below average baserunner that season and a plus defender. Thames is a below average fielder and baserunner. Also Thames' positional adjustment will probably we worse since he is playing more first base and Ruth played LF and a bit of CF in 1921.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dominik View Post
    Does the 8 against cincy make it a little questionable? He only hit 3 against other teams (pace for 4.25) and 8 against cincy.
    Last year the reds had one of the worst staffs ever. Granted they are off to a respectable 10-11 start and their era is just 4.4 and not 4.9 like last year but they are probably still one of the worst true talent teams.
    Nothing is in question, just because he hit 8 against one team means nothing.
    What should we do go back on some other hitting feats and check to see the pitching status where some of the numbers came from.

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    27 runs scored now by Thames in April. Can he break the record? I believe the record for runs in April is 29, set by Larry Walker in 1997.

    The last guy to score 27 runs in April was Alex Rodriguez in his historic 2007 season. Oh god, that was 10 years ago? I feel old.
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