Ichiro Thread

**Edgartohof** · 08-16-2004, 12:31 AM

I just figured that with all of the different ichiro threads floating around, it was about time Ichiro was given a specific thread just for himself. This thread is for anything "Ichiro".

I'll start it off by stating that Ichiro just had another amazing night (or day actually), he went 3-4 with a leadoff homerun in the first and 2 runs.

He is now batting .362 with 185 hits in 116 games (on pace for 253 hits in 159 games - so probably no hits record but pretty close). He is now just 15 hits away from being the first player to have 200 hits in their first 4 seasons.

Just as a side note, ICHIRO is leading the mariners in Slugging pct!!!

Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners' RF,
July 14, 2004 All Star Game against Clemens, Houston, TX---------September 30, 2004-------------------------2001-06 ---BB Ref---Ichiro Thread

Ichiro's Relative Stats: After 2007 season, 7 full seasons.

----Relative BA-----Rel.Slg.-------Rel.Onbase----Rel.ISO-------OPS+
----126 (10th)--------1.03------------114--------------------119 (t 347th)
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How Fever evaluated Ichiro as an All-Time RFer, in our 3 polls.

Here are the results of our 1st. RF poll, conducted by leecemark, December 8, 2004, 07:48 PM

1) Babe Ruth 210
2) Hank Aaron 189
3) Frank Robinson 163
4) Mel Ott 131
5) Al Kaline 74
6) Tony Gwynn 72
7) Roberto Clemente 71
8) Reggie Jackson 54
9) Paul Waner 52
10) Sam Crawford 49
11) Harry Heilmann 30
12) Pete Rose 12
12) Ichiro Suzuki 12
14) Dave Winfield 9
14) Willie Keeler 9

--other vote getters; Chuck Klein, Tony Oliva, Roger Maris, Kiki Cuyler, Sam Rice, Sam Thompson, Dwight Evans and Sammy Sosa.
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Here are the results of our 2nd. poll, conducted by 538280, December 27, 2005, 10:55 AM

We had 15 ballots submitted, and unsurprisingly, Babe Ruth was unanimously elected as our #1 RFer, with Hank Aaron also being a unanimous #2 choice. Frank Robinson and Mel Ott were the clear #3 and #4, but then after that things get really interesting. Here's everyone who received 12 or more points (first place votes in parenthesis):

1. Babe Ruth-180 (15)
2. Hank Aaron-135
3. Frank Robinson-115
4. Mel Ott-99
5. Tony Gwynn-53
6. Sam Crawford-50
7. Reggie Jackson-49
8. Roberto Clemente-42
9. Pete Rose-38
10. Al Kaline-35
11. Paul Waner-22
12. Gary Sheffield-12
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Here are the results of our 3rd. poll, conducted by Bill Burgess, June 6, 2007, 05:46 PM

1. Babe Ruth - 159
2. Hank Aaron - 145
3. Frank Robinson - 124
4. Mel Ott - 83
5. Paul Waner - 79
6. Reggie Jackson - 67
7. Roberto Clemente - 55
8. Tony Gwynn - 52
9. Sam Crawford - 47
10. Al Kaline - 41
11. Pete Rose - 12.5
12. Gary Sheffield - 12
13. Harry Heilmann - 9
13. Vladimir Guerrero - 9
13. Dave Winfield - 9
16. Ichiro Suzuki - 2.5
17. Willie Keeler - 2

**Edgartohof** · 08-17-2004, 06:07 PM

Is there anything this guy can't do? It is only the 2rd inning and he is already 2-2 with (get this) another leadoff homerun in the first inning, 2 runs, and 3 RBI.

Not bad, but there are still 6 more innings to play.

**brewcrew82** · 08-17-2004, 07:59 PM

At his current pace (take that for what you will), Ichiro is now on track for a record 262 hits this year...

**Gaijin** · 08-18-2004, 12:53 AM

According to my calculation he's on pace for 259 (he's played in 116 of 118 Mariner games).

33 hits in August so far (.516 avg) puts him in good shape for another 50-hit month.

He's hitting .486 since the all-star break.

Is the record for hits in a season 257? He would have to maintain a blistering pace for the remainder of the season.

September has been Ichiro's least productive month (.283) over his first 3 seasons.

**Edgartohof** · 08-18-2004, 01:21 AM

To wrap up the day, Ichiro went 4-4 with a leadoff HR, 2 runs, and 5 RBI!!!

He now has a .366 Avg, .408 OBP, .456 Slg, 189 Hits, 72 Runs, 20 2B, 4 3B, 6 HR, 44 RBI, 35 BB, 28 SB, and 235 TB. Not a bad year for anyone, and it's only 2/3 of the way through.

**Edgartohof** · 08-18-2004, 06:12 PM

Well Ichiro is out on a scary note today, after going 0-1 in the first, he gets hit in the head with a pitch in the third - I sure hope he is all right, but when things like this happen, you just never know. Let's hope the Mariner's use this as a reason to win.

**Edgartohof** · 10-19-2004, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by brewcrew82

At his current pace (take that for what you will), Ichiro is now on track for a record 262 hits this year...

Apparantly we should all listen to you, since you had the answer on 8-17-04 at 7:59 PM - a long time before everyone else knew

(It was just the 3rd post in this forum - check it out, it's true!!!

)

**Edgartohof** · 10-20-2004, 01:05 PM

According to Bill James' newest version of Runs Created (RC), this year in the AL, Ichiro came out on top.

Here are those who had 120+:

138 - Ichiro Suzuki
133 - Manny Ramirez
131 - David Ortiz
128 - Vladamir Guerro (not sure on spelling, will fix later if wrong)
126 - Miguel Tejada
124 - Gary Sheffield

Now I find that impressive, since he comes from a last place team, where half the lineup couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with a shotgun, let alone hit a ball (and no I am not from the country - just an expression I have picked up

).

Now while it does not seem likely that he will win the MVP, this here helps to show how valuable he was. And it would not be out of the question for a player on a last place team to win the MVP, since just last year, A-Rod won it while in Texas.

As a fan of baseball, I do not necessarily believe he deserves it, but I also would not think it totally out of the question. Especially since all of the attention he has received from chasing and breaking the hits record, and is generally liked by fans and press alike.

But as a lifelong Mariner's fan, he's got my vote!

**Edgartohof** · 10-20-2004, 02:01 PM

Here is just an extension of what is above:

In order of stats, they will be -

Win Shares, Runs Created, GPA*, and BA w/RISP

*GPA - [(1.8 OBP) + SLG]/4 this is meant to fix some of the shortcomings of OPS

player............win shares....runs created...GPA........BA w/RISP
Ichiro Suzuki.........27(7th)...138(1st).....320(5th).... ...372(1st)
Manny Ramirez......28..........133.............330...... ......346
David Ortiz............25..........131.............316.. .........350
Vladimir Guerrero....29..........128.............336....... ....314
Miguel Tejada........30..........126.............298..... ......322
Gary Sheffield........31..........124.............318.. .........325
Alex Rodriguez.......30..........113.............304... ........248
Matsui.................30..........117............ .313...........292
Melvin Mora..........25..........116.............332..... ......323
Michael Young.......25..........117.............270....... ....340
Texeira................25...........117........... .295...........314
Hank Blalock.........26...........118............277... ........345
Johnny Damon......26..........116.............285........ ....353
Carlos Guillen........24..........105.............314.... .......311
I-Rodriguez...........22..........102.............30 8...........361
Travis Hafner........21..........105.............334..... ......289
Carlos Lee...........24..........112..............295.... .......304

**brewcrew82** · 10-22-2004, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Edgartohof

Apparantly we should all listen to you, since you had the answer on 8-17-04 at 7:59 PM - a long time before everyone else knew

(It was just the 3rd post in this forum - check it out, it's true!!!

)

No you probably shouldn't listen to me, at the start of the LCS my brother asked me who would be in the WS, my answer...NY vs Houston!

Usually the only predictions that come true are things like "this season the brewers will suck" and the like.

**Edgartohof** · 10-22-2004, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by brewcrew82

No you probably shouldn't listen to me, at the start of the LCS my brother asked me who would be in the WS, my answer...NY vs Houston!

Usually the only predictions that come true are things like "this season the brewers will suck" and the like.

Well as I see it, you got the "important" one correct

**Rennie Stennett** · 12-13-2006, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by brewcrew82

At his current pace (take that for what you will), Ichiro is now on track for a record 262 hits this year...

262 is now a baseball number like 714, 56 & 511, to name a few...

**albertpujols** · 07-07-2006, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Edgartohof

Is there anything this guy can't do? It is only the 2rd inning and he is already 2-2 with (get this) another leadoff homerun in the first inning, 2 runs, and 3 RBI.

Not bad, but there are still 6 more innings to play.

Proly just his power numbers, 15 HR I rekkin' his highest total...

Other than that, he is a potential leader on other counts.

**Edgartohof** · 08-22-2004, 12:39 PM

Ichiro is going to get one last chance to get his second hit of the game, so far he is 1-4

**Edgartohof** · 08-22-2004, 01:08 PM

The final - Ichiro went 1-5 (although he did reach on a fielder's choice in his last at bat - almost like 2 hits). At least the Mariner's won.

Ichiro is still on pace to get 258 hits in 159 games.

**Edgartohof** · 08-24-2004, 02:46 PM

Sorry I took so long to report, but for yesterday's game, Ichiro only went 1-4, as the Mariner's were slaughtered by Lou Piniella and Devil Rays 9-0. Let's hope Ichiro (and the Mariner's as a whole) do better tonight.

As a side note, it is kind nice that Piniella will be there for Buhner's induction ceremony into the Mariner's HOF (even if he is on the wrong bench).

**Edgartohof** · 08-25-2004, 11:00 AM

Ichiro went 1-4 last night, but tonight with 199 hits, he is looking at becoming the 1st player to have 200 hits in each of his first 4 seasons. Good Luck

**Edgartohof** · 08-26-2004, 10:40 PM

Yesterday Ichiro went 0-4 with 1 run

Tonight, Ichiro was 0-4 going into the ninth. He has not had 2 consecutive 0 hit nights since April 28th and 29th. So sitting at 199 hits, and being the leadoff man in the bottom of the ninth, what does he do? Hits a first pitch home run to right center field, to become the 1st player to have 200 hits in each of their first four seasons - and he did it with, as long-time Mariners announcer Rick Rizz puts it, "with flair".

**Rennie Stennett** · 05-31-2006, 11:05 AM

check out these cool links: hot zone and player hit chart.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerH...tegoryId=85348

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerH...tegoryId=85348

**Edgartohof** · 05-31-2006, 07:56 PM

Well, Ichiro just finished off a good month, going 3-5 with 1 BB, 3 runs and 1 SB. That put him at .371 for the month with 46 hits (to bad he got off to a bad start, otherwise he had a shot at 50+), including an 18 game hit streak, and a perfect 9 stolen bases, with no CS. He hit 90 points higher in May than in April, raising his BA to a respectable .332 (exactly MLB career average for him), and with the way he is hitting right now, I'd expect to see it go towards .350 soon, and who knows from there, even something close to that is fine, I guess we shall have to wait and see.

I will admit I am as biased an Ichiro fan as anyone, but I've seen the guy hit over .400 for half a season (.429 for the second half of the '04 season), have 56 hits in a month, (while hitting .463/.492/.636), and hit and incredible 262 hit in a season, so I always expect him to do the "impossible", whatever that may be (something along the lines of .400 or so).

Just look at me. The guy has one good month, putting him back at his own "average", and I start with the crazy talk. I apologize for it, since to hit .400, Ichiro would need 274 hits in his projected 683 AB's (or more walks to get down the AB's), which would mean another 199 hits in his next 107 games (1.86 hits/game), since he averaged only 1.62 in '04 for his incredible 262 hits. So, pretty much out of the picture, but a guy can dream can't he?

In other news, Ichiro is still great defensively, still getting good jumps on balls, running them down, and scaring people with his arm, even without using it half the time - the threat of him throwing has saved our team many runners advancing a base (be it to second, third, or home). He is also staying somewhat agressive on the bases, on pace for 50 SB's this season, which would be his second best showing, and should keep up hit roll of not being out of the top 10 in SB's each year he has been in the league.

So he is now 6th in the league with a .332 BA, and 6th in runs scored with 41 (leader with only a slight lead at 46), is tied for 2nd in triples with 4, and is tied for 4th in SB's with 17 (though he has only 2 CS), and only one other in the top 5 has a better success rate (18-19 compared to Ichiro's 17-19). Ichiro already has a sizeable lead in hit with 77 in only 55 games (on pace for 227), with second place with only 70 (on pace for 206).

**Edgartohof** · 06-01-2006, 05:05 PM

I forgot to mention this yesterday, but Ichiro just became the Mariner's Ironman, playing in his 294th consecutive game (the old record of 293 was held by Edgar Martinez).

This streak came close to ending early, just last season (or the year before?), when he got hit in the head during a game, and was supposed to sit out the next day, but luckily the game ended up being a rainout, so no one played and he later made it up with the team.

Also, I must advise all Ichiro and Mariner's fans to start voting for him for the All-Star game, as he is currently sitting at number four on the Outfield list - though we shouldn't have to worry as the ballots in Asia just recently opened, so he should easily make it, but still, vote for him anyways.

I also want to see a good showing for our double play combo - Lopez and Betancourt, and our catcher Kenji Johjima. I don't expect to get much support for the others on our team (well, maybe Felix, even without him performing that well.

**Edgartohof** · 06-02-2006, 11:49 PM

Ichiro started off the month of June with a 2 hit performance, with a late inning run, off of a Jose Lopez 2-RBI double. So now he is leading the league with 79 hits, with 2nd place, still 8 hits behind with 71. He has also raised his Batting Average to .335, good for 5th in the American League, and rising - quickly I might add.

**Rennie Stennett** · 06-03-2006, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Edgartohof

Ichiro started off the month of June with a 2 hit performance, with a late inning run, off of a Jose Lopez 2-RBI double. So now he is leading the league with 79 hits, with 2nd place, still 8 hits behind with 71. He has also raised his Batting Average to .335, good for 5th in the American League, and rising - quickly I might add.

Whenever Ichiro goes into one of his Ichi-slumps (only hit .275) you hear from certain quarters, that the league has figured out how to get him out. "The third baseman plays in and takes away many hits," They say. "He can't handle the inside pitch," another will say. "He's not happy in the States." You hear this all, but yet the guy fiqures it out and adjusts. Bust him inside too much and he'll pull the ball and drive it. Take away the slappy up the third base line, and he'll start hitting line drives to third. Ichiro will make you play defense and make you make decisions. This is why he is so dangerous with men on base, and with the sacks full. This makes him a monster #3 hitter, which he played most of his time in Japan. We'll probably never see this, Ichiro hitting third. Even if it's the right thing to do, hargrove won't do it. He is a by the book kind of manager. If you always go with the status quo or by the book you can't get second guessed. I think a look at the numbers will show that Ichiro would be a monster #3 hitter. His seven years in Japan, he hit #3 all the time.