Top 5 Current Best All-Around Baseball Players?

**julusnc** · 03-10-2005, 01:47 PM

Who are your top 5 current best all around baseball players?

Barry Bonds
Jim Edmonds
Alex Rodriguez
Vlad
Scott Rolen

**Ex-Expo fan** · 03-10-2005, 01:50 PM

1.Vladimir Guerrero
2. A-Rod
3. Jim Edmonds
4. Bobby Abreu
5. Todd Helton

**DoubleX** · 03-10-2005, 02:19 PM

Since 2001, Bonds has transformed from Willie Mays into Ted Williams, and like Ted, Bonds is a tremendous hitter, but doesn't excel in the other facets of the game as he once did. So I don't think a list of current best all-around players would include Bonds. There are a lot of players I'd consider in this discussion, but I think the discussion starts with Alex Rodriguez.

**BoSox Rule** · 03-10-2005, 02:23 PM

Vlad doesn't belong on an all-around list. He is a terrible fielder.

**RuthMayBond** · 03-11-2005, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Ex-Expo fan

4. Brad Wilkerson

Thanks for our morning

**RuthMayBond** · 03-11-2005, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by BoSox Rule

Vlad doesn't belong on an all-around list. He is a terrible fielder.

He is erratic but somehow he managed to lead his league in PO 2x (at least) & Assists 2x.

**trosmok** · 03-11-2005, 07:18 AM

Ken Griffey Jr. LF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Andruw Jones CF
Vlad Guerrero RF
Barry Bonds DH

Nomar Garciaparra SS
Derrek Lee 1B
Alfonso Soriano 2B
Ivan Rodriguez C
Greg Maddux P

**Ex-Expo fan** · 03-11-2005, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by RuthMayBond

Thanks for our morning

Yeah I know

. I'll say Bobby Abreu instead (after actually putting some thought in my list). But Wilkerson may soon become an impressive complete player.

**Matthew C.** · 03-11-2005, 08:56 AM

Barry Bonds
Alex Rodriguez
Scott Rolen
Vladamir Guerrero
Carlos Beltran

**Honus Wagner Rules** · 03-11-2005, 09:18 AM

I think the phrase "all around player" is way too vague. Perhaps we could start a discussion about it?

**ElHalo** · 03-11-2005, 09:47 AM

1. Ichiro Suzuki (how has nobody mentioned him?)
2. Scott Rolen
3. Derek Jeter
4. Miguel Tejada
5. Carlos Beltran

ARod belongs nowhere near any of these lists; the guy isn't even a deserving All Star, much less one of the best in the league.

**DoubleX** · 03-11-2005, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by ElHalo

1. Ichiro Suzuki (how has nobody mentioned him?)
2. Scott Rolen
3. Derek Jeter
4. Miguel Tejada
5. Carlos Beltran

ARod belongs nowhere near any of these lists; the guy isn't even a deserving All Star, much less one of the best in the league.

And yet when we've made 3B lists, you've already touted him as the best ever after just one year the position.

I would also like to add that A-Rod, despite a down year, led the league in power and speed last year and played pretty good defense at a brand new position.

**ElHalo** · 03-11-2005, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by DoubleX

And yet when we've made 3B lists, you've already touted him as the best ever after just one year the position.

Based on his accomplishments before he moved to third base. I rate his career as a whole, and see where it ranks him among third basemen, because that's what he is.

Currently, however, he's not the player he once was. He's not the player Tony Phillips once was. Great defense, sure. And no clutch hitting, whining attitude, and poor contact hitting.

**RuthMayBond** · 03-11-2005, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by ElHalo

Based on his accomplishments before he moved to third base. I rate his career as a whole, and see where it ranks him among third basemen, because that's what he is.

Currently, however, he's not the player he once was. He's not the player Tony Phillips once was. Great defense, sure. And no clutch hitting, whining attitude, and poor contact hitting.

if you rate his career as a whole, you wouldn't put him as 3B. And what kind of played was Tony Phillips once?

**julusnc** · 03-11-2005, 10:24 AM

EH all you spout is the greatness of Derek Jeter.

Alex Rodriguez is a better all around player.

It took the New York Spankys to move Rodriguez out of position for Jeter to win a Gold Glove.

**BoSox Rule** · 03-11-2005, 11:53 AM

Jeter can hit for average and steal a base. No defense.

**Edgartohof** · 03-11-2005, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by ElHalo

1. Ichiro Suzuki (how has nobody mentioned him?)

ARod belongs nowhere near any of these lists; the guy isn't even a deserving All Star, much less one of the best in the league.

I personally think that Ichiro is great, and give more support to him than most, but he is only a 4 tool player, and all-around includes power, which he doesn't have.

And yes A-Rod NEEDS to be on that list. He is one of the most amazing players ever! He can (and does) do it all. Average, Power, Glove, Arm, Run

**ElHalo** · 03-11-2005, 06:59 PM

Sorry, I'm just bitter. I hate ARod. I want Soriano back. It's just a Yankee fan thing.

**antihipster** · 03-11-2005, 07:09 PM

1. Rolen
2. Suzuki
3. Beltran
4. Jeter
5. Edmonds

**Bill Burgess** · 03-11-2005, 09:45 PM

My 5 Best Current All-Around Players:

1. Bonds
2. A-Rod
3. I-Rod
4. Suzuki
5. Griffey, Jr.

Honorable Mentions:
Vlad Guerrero, Carlos Beltran, Tori Hunter, Jim Edmonds, Todd Helton, Larry Walker, Alfonso Soriano, Albert Pujols, Eric Chavez, Derek Jeter, Andruw Jones.

Bill Burgess

**DoubleX** · 03-12-2005, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by ElHalo

Sorry, I'm just bitter. I hate ARod. I want Soriano back. It's just a Yankee fan thing.

As a fellow Yankee fan, I too miss Soriano and do wish the trade never happened. However, Rodriguez upgrades the team any which way you look at it. Defesively, Rodriguez makes the team better. He is a better hitter than Soriano. His OPS is well above Soriano's (who was below 100 last year despite moving into a hitter friendly park). And Rodriguez even stole 10 more bases than Soriano last year. And if you want to talk about clutch hitting, remember how many times Soriano struck out on ugly pitches in the 2003 postseason? It seemed as if every at-bat he would chase a slider low and very away for strike three.

There is some truth to this whole Rodriguez isn't a real Yankee thing - but the same could be said about Clemens after the '99 season. I'm expecting Rodriguez to settle in nicely this year and work hard to get over all the criticism and play closer to his pre-Yankees self and win the admiration of the Yankees faithful.

**leecemark** · 03-13-2005, 09:37 PM

Alex Rodriguez
Vlad Guerro
Carlos Beltran
Miguel Tejeda
Bobby Abreau

**Pghfan987** · 03-13-2005, 10:51 PM

1) Barry Bonds
2) Ichiro
3) A-Rod
4) Carlos Beltran
5) Vlad Guerrero

When I think of best all around player, I think of the players who have the biggest impact on the game. I think that Bonds is similar to Williams now, and I think that in the late 40's Williams was one of the best all-around players in the game, just like Bonds is now. What I mean, is, although Bonds' defense is poor, his O is so incredible, so game-changing, so season-changing, he warrants the top spot. Then Ichiro does everything EXCEPTIONALLY well except for power. Come to think of it, if Ichiro hit 50 homers a year (and had the SLG and RBIs that came along with it), would he not be the best all-around baseball player ever? (An ENORMOUS if, but just a thought. He has a tremendous arm, great range, one of the best contact hitters of all-time, and tremendous speed both from home to first and around the bases.) I'll take a SICK four-tool player over a very good five tool player (Beltran) anyday.

Mark

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**Bill Burgess** · 03-14-2005, 06:43 AM

BoSox Rule,

"Jeter can hit for average and steal a base. No defense."

But doesn't a GG show improvement? Don't you agree he's moving in the right direction with his D.?

Bill

**RuthMayBond** · 03-14-2005, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by william_burgess@usa.net

BoSox Rule,

"Jeter can hit for average and steal a base. No defense."

But doesn't a GG show improvement? Don't you agree he's moving in the right direction with his D.?

Bill

The GG wasn't deserved, and he moved in the right direction for one year, but he's thirty-one this year