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    I like it! I just hope they don't have sight line issues or size issues like the metrodome!
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    When they had a couple of games at the end of Spring Training in the mid-90`s the Mariners were going to play a few of their regular season series at BC Place because of the issues with attendance and the condition of the Kingdome. This was all put to rest however after the 95 run and then of course the subsequent approval of State tax dollars to build Safeco.

    I love baseball, would love to see MLB in Vancouver but it won`t happen in BC Place. The only way baseball could be successful in this area would be to build a baseball only facility with a stadium the size of PNC Park in Pittsburgh.

    Also on the subject of BC Place, the press box that was built for the intentions of the baseball configurations has been converted into the in stadium production room as well as an auxiliary security area for large events (the other security room is housed in the East Airlock) and as recently as November of 08 the lone broadcast booth of the baseball press box that hasn`t been converted is storage for extra furniture for the suites.

    I did notice when I was walking through the bowels of the stadium last November a storage area that may have been all the baseball related stuff. I saw the foul poles for sure and some rolled up turf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by efin98 View Post
    Amazing how people can just bash it without ever actually seeing a game in the places
    I HAVE seen it (at least the Metrodome), and it honestly wouldn't be bad. That said, there's no way MLB would put a team in there permanently. It would make a great interm facility, and the opening roof is one heck of an upgrade.

    Actually, has anyone shown this to the MN Vikings? A massively rebuilt dome might be more reasonable in this economy. And, they could still keep the baseball configuration for all of the high school and college games held there Feb though April
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    I attended the exhibition games that were played there, back when it was built, and again in the 90s and it was fine. It'd be even better with the roof gone. The turf is better now too. Come on Oakland, we are waiting!
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    I posted this before, but it went missing when I reorganized my photobucket account. So, without further ado, this is from one of the exhibition series in the early 80s. I would think with a permanent team some tamporary seating would be added to that big gap on the side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat Bailey View Post
    . I would think with a permanent team some temporary seating would be added to that big gap on the side.
    Do you believe that B.C. Place would be suitable as a full-time MLB venue after the renovations are complete? Temporary seating on the 1st base side would kind of be reminiscent of old War Memorial Stadium in Buffalo.
    B.C. Place would probably only be suitable as a 2 year temporary (at most) venue should Vancouver ever be a candidate for a relocated team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrakbaseball View Post
    Do you believe that B.C. Place would be suitable as a full-time MLB venue after the renovations are complete? Temporary seating on the 1st base side would kind of be reminiscent of old War Memorial Stadium in Buffalo.
    B.C. Place would probably only be suitable as a 2 year temporary (at most) venue should Vancouver ever be a candidate for a relocated team.
    Why only two years? Why is it not suitable with improvements? Do you have a valid reason why it has to be abandoned after only a short time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat Bailey View Post
    I posted this before, but it went missing when I reorganized my photobucket account. So, without further ado, this is from one of the exhibition series in the early 80s. I would think with a permanent team some tamporary seating would be added to that big gap on the side.
    Gap? What gap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by efin98 View Post
    Why only two years? Why is it not suitable with improvements? Do you have a valid reason why it has to be abandoned after only a short time
    I don't know enough about the luxury suite situation there, whether or not that there would be enough of a corporate presence in Vancouver to fill those suites, retail/concessions space. The all-important seating configuration would still be a slightly more spacious version of the much maligned Metrodome. Does Vancouver even have a metro population over 2 million? Vancouver already failed as an NBA city. Does Vancouver even want a baseball team? Thinking of West Coast cities for a relocated MLB franchise, you hear Portland a lot more than Vancouver, Portland probably should have been the destination for the Expos. The Nationals attendance has lagged and they have awful television and radio numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrakbaseball View Post
    I don't know enough about the luxury suite situation there, whether or not that there would be enough of a corporate presence in Vancouver to fill those suites, retail/concessions space. The all-important seating configuration would still be a slightly more spacious version of the much maligned Metrodome. Does Vancouver even have a metro population over 2 million? Vancouver already failed as an NBA city. Does Vancouver even want a baseball team? Thinking of West Coast cities for a relocated MLB franchise, you hear Portland a lot more than Vancouver, Portland probably should have been the destination for the Expos. The Nationals attendance has lagged and they have awful television and radio numbers.
    The ratings may have something to do with the fact that they are the only MLB team that doesn't control their own broadcast rights, the Orioles do. They play second fiddle to them most of the season. Not to mention the team sucks right now. Give them some time, if they make a turn around, you'll see their ratings rise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrakbaseball View Post
    I don't know enough about the luxury suite situation there, whether or not that there would be enough of a corporate presence in Vancouver to fill those suites, retail/concessions space. The all-important seating configuration would still be a slightly more spacious version of the much maligned Metrodome. Does Vancouver even have a metro population over 2 million? Vancouver already failed as an NBA city. Does Vancouver even want a baseball team? Thinking of West Coast cities for a relocated MLB franchise, you hear Portland a lot more than Vancouver, Portland probably should have been the destination for the Expos. The Nationals attendance has lagged and they have awful television and radio numbers.
    I've always thought that Vancouver could handle an AL team (Montreal too, but that's a different thread ) Built in rivalries with Seattle (border battle) and Toronto (you DON'T represent all of Canada) The reason why you never hear about MLB in Vancouver is most people don't even think of it. People will say this city or that region deserves a team, but Canada never even crosses their minds, even though Vancouver is probably a better idea than OKC, San Antonio, Sacramento, Norfolk, and even Indianapolis. Personally, I'd love to see a three-way series in the AL between Seattle, Portland, and Vancouver.

    That said, the odds that the MLB brass will approve of BC Place as anything but a short-term solution aren't that good. MLB REALLY doesn't want to share stadium time and especially REVENUES with other teams. BC Place already hosts the CFL, and Vancouver's soccer team is moving in once the new roof is on, so there's TWO teams to deal with, both of whom' seasons start much earlier than the NFL's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgeboy View Post
    I've always thought that Vancouver could handle an AL team (Montreal too, but that's a different thread ) Built in rivalries with Seattle (border battle) and Toronto (you DON'T represent all of Canada) , I'd love to see a three-way series in the AL between Seattle, Portland, and Vancouver.
    Seattle, Portland, Vancouver. Yes, that is what I want, but not B.C. Place. B.C. Place just isn't a baseball facilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrakbaseball View Post
    I don't know enough about the luxury suite situation there, whether or not that there would be enough of a corporate presence in Vancouver to fill those suites, retail/concessions space. The all-important seating configuration would still be a slightly more spacious version of the much maligned Metrodome. Does Vancouver even have a metro population over 2 million? Vancouver already failed as an NBA city. Does Vancouver even want a baseball team? Thinking of West Coast cities for a relocated MLB franchise, you hear Portland a lot more than Vancouver, Portland probably should have been the destination for the Expos. The Nationals attendance has lagged and they have awful television and radio numbers.
    As far as corporate seats, we had no problem with the Grizzlies at all filling those, and in fact, before anyone jumps on the team for leaving, it wasn't attendance related. It was the dollar at the time as well as having Stu JAckson for a GM, who gave the Grizzlies a awful record Every season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat Bailey View Post
    As far as corporate seats, we had no problem with the Grizzlies at all filling those, and in fact, before anyone jumps on the team for leaving, it wasn't attendance related. It was the dollar at the time as well as having Stu JAckson for a GM, who gave the Grizzlies a awful record Every season.
    The dollar and taxes doomed the Winnepeg Jets and Quebec Nordiques during that same era so it's not uncommon...but the times have changed(better for Canada, worse for US but that's a whole other issue).

    Didn't help that the league's idiotic lottery system prevented the worst team in the league from getting the top pick each year they were in Vancouver nor the rules barring expansion teams from picking in the top five of the draft in their initial year(only league that bars the new team from first pick overall!).

    They can sustain a major sports team in the city, the BC Lions and the Vancouver Canucks are prime examples of it. What the team would need is someone with deep pockets who will stick with the team through the rough times- it can happen.

    Metro population is 2,116,581 as of 2006.
    It's almost 2.4 million if you take into account the lower mainland region of BC. It's larger than the Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Milwaukee metro areas.
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    I wonder if it is possible for Vancouver to host first round games for the 2013 WBC. I would be kinda cool if the MLB decided to keep the first round out of the United States. I don't think they could play games at Olympic Stadium in Montreal because the turf they used with the Expos is now in Vancouver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanblaze View Post
    I wonder if it is possible for Vancouver to host first round games for the 2013 WBC. I would be kinda cool if the MLB decided to keep the first round out of the United States. I don't think they could play games at Olympic Stadium in Montreal because the turf they used with the Expos is now in Vancouver.
    Probably not. I believe the next WBC is in 2012. Vancouver lacks a viable venue for baseball. None of the renovations being done to the B.C. Place make it baseball friendly.

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    Correct.

    BC place is being used for the Olympic games opening and closing. MAJOR renovations (interior) are being done this summer to prepare it for the Olympics.

    I'm pretty sure keeping the stadium open to holding MLB games is not a priority at all.

    After the games, further renovations will take place which will rip down the roof and allow for a retractable canvas style roof that also can block off the upper deck.

    It eerily reminds me of Olympic Stadium, and we all know how that retractable roof worked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02 View Post
    Correct.

    BC place is being used for the Olympic games opening and closing. MAJOR renovations (interior) are being done this summer to prepare it for the Olympics.

    I'm pretty sure keeping the stadium open to holding MLB games is not a priority at all.

    After the games, further renovations will take place which will rip down the roof and allow for a retractable canvas style roof that also can block off the upper deck.

    It eerily reminds me of Olympic Stadium, and we all know how that retractable roof worked out.
    The second phase of renovations will be done before the next WBC which isn't until either 2012 or 2013. There should be no conflict with the renovations if they are going to be done well before the tournament begins again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by efin98 View Post
    The second phase of renovations will be done before the next WBC which isn't until either 2012 or 2013. There should be no conflict with the renovations if they are going to be done well before the tournament begins again...
    Yeah, but with renovations, I will be shocked if they even bother keeping the place with the potential to configure it for baseball in 4 years. It's not feasible in my books. I don't know what the interior renovations consist of, but I'm sure some of the seating will be locked in place, and underneath the 'temporary grandstands' (aka those that retract for baseball) will be upgraded to be staging areas or who knows what for the Olympics.

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    The next WBC is in 2013.

    The renovations of BC Place are not altering the seating bowl however the comment made that the new roof could pose a problem is valid. When PAVCO had their initial press conference to announce that they were going ahead with the renovations a member of the press corps asked if the stadium would still be able to host baseball and they said it would however obtaining baseball events wouldn't be a priority for PAVCO.

    It probably wouldn't happen in Vancouver but it would nice to see them shift sites.

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    I wouldn't want baseball if I was burned like they were. I know the folks of the former baseball city have no reminders of boardwalk and baseball at all, just a shinny new mall. I think bc place should be made as much football as possible before it ends up like candlestick and no one has the money to care about it anymore.
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    Heres a few pictures of the deflated roof. Any word on the renovation?



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    The renovations have started on the concourse level...new signage, renovated the bathrooms etc. the next phase will be the retractable roof which they will start after the 2010 Winter Olympics, and be ready for the 2011 MLS /CFL Seasons.

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    Thought I would bump this thread for the Olympics.

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