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    Quote Originally Posted by Dto7 View Post
    You most likely have these 2 teams of 1905 and 1906 the Cuban Giants..but will pass them on.


    Thanks and I have seen these photos before. The caption saying "Organized in 1883" is wrong. By 1906 the Cuban Giants were no longer the premier black team.

    Owner/Manager John M. Bright kept the team going from 1886 or 1887 to 1913 when he passed away. He witnessed discrimination, racism, and plenty of barriers put up by organized baseball to prevent black ballplayers from playing in white leagues. At times Bright went on the field and took the place of a racist umpire or took his players off the field in protest.
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    1891 Cuban Giants Roster:

    Frank Grant
    Sol White
    Clarence Williams
    George Stovey
    William Jackson
    John Nelson
    Jack Frye
    Ben Boyd
    Bob Jackson
    George Douglass
    Frank Bell
    George Barton
    Windsor Terrill
    George Evans
    Ed Chamberlain
    Frank Miller
    Eddie Day
    ? Mulcahy
    ? Watkins
    Charles Brown
    ? Stanton
    Jim Malson
    Harry Cato
    George Freeman
    Henry Gant
    Billy Whyte
    ? Gifford
    Ben Holmes
    Job Trusty
    Nat Collins
    Abe Harrison
    ? Paige
    Ambrose Davis
    ? Cook
    ? Baker
    Yeoman Fisher
    ? Fager
    ? Lovill
    ? Robinson
    ? Paul

    Note: Several players were also with the 1891 Gorhams. I suspect Mulcahy was a white semi-pro player on loan by Owner J.M. Bright from his Jersey Blues team for one game on Sept. 13th.
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    1885 Cuban Giants Roster:

    Ben Boyd
    Abe Harrison
    Ben Holmes
    George Jackson
    John Oliver
    George Parego
    Andrew Payne
    Andrew Randolph
    G. Shadney
    Art Thomas
    Shep Trusty
    Billy Whyte
    Clarence Williams
    George Williams

    Former Philadelphia Orions: Harrison, Jackson, Trusty, G. Williams, Payne
    Former Keystone Athletics of Philadelphia and Babylon, NY: Boyd, Holmes, Parego, Randolph
    Former Washington Manhattans: Boyd, Holmes, Thomas
    Billy Whyte: Boston Resolutes
    Clarence Williams: Williamsport
    Unknown: Oliver, Shadney (Oliver might have been a player on the Brooklyn Remsens)
    Last edited by TonyK; 09-20-2015 at 06:02 PM. Reason: Update.
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    The first No-Hitter by a Cuban Giant was on July 9, 1889. William Selden no-hit Bordentown, PA in a 2-0 victory, walking two batters and striking out three.

    He followed it up the next day with four innings pitched in relief in a loss to Burlington, NJ.
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    Looking at the Pottsville Daily Republican of September 30, 1885, I came across this tidbit from the Mahanoy City Correspondent:

    "Manager Lang skipped the town on Sunday, leaving his base ball players in the lurch. The "Giants" threaten to do him up if they meet him around Lombard Street."

    Lang's Cuban Giants played Mahanoy City on Saturday, September 26th, 1885, and the Giants earned a sizable portion of the gate as the crowd was large. They had a 5-2 record on this tour of Central PA, and these funds may have come at the right time. John Lang might have been desparate for money and not willing to wait until his Giants played New York and Philadelphia in a few weeks.

    The picture I see is the Giants wake up on a Sunday morning and discover that their white owner and promoter has left town with all of their money. They proceed with the remainder of their schedule under the guidance of S. K. Govern and some head south to St. Augustine, FL to play ball in the winter.

    The team name is shortened to the Cuban Giants, and by 1887, John Lang's name is never even mentioned in an interview in a black newspaper about the origins of the team. Nor are the team names Colored Giants and Colored Cuban Giants. Since the original names include the word Colored, it leads me to believe they never tried to pass themselves off as Cuban.

    Lang must have been left wondering what a fool he was to abandon the team.
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    New York World, May 13, 1892: Mike King Kelly, catcher for Boston: "New York is the Cuban Giants whitewashed."

    New York Herald, May 30, 1892: St. Louis Owner Chris Von Der Ahe: "I will trade you all for dem Cuban Giants."

    Sporting Life, July 30, 1892: Correspondent: "I think the Cuban Giants could do the Bostons just about this time."
    Last edited by TonyK; 10-27-2012 at 01:55 PM.
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    I received a newspaper article which lists the Cuban Giants game by game record for the 1887 season...107 wins and 54 losses and 4 ties...a total of 165 games played. They scored more than 1,300 runs. Many games played against ML and minor league teams. The article claimed they were the best independent club in America. I'll provide more details later on.
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    In early October of 1887, Owner J. M. Bright took his Cuban Giants to watch the NY - PHILA National League game on a day off. Although the Cuban Giants lost to NY twice that season and tied them once, they did have six wins against NL and AA teams. Was this a scouting trip, or a visit to show the ML's there was a good black team wishing to play ML ball, or merely a reward for the players?
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    Tentative Cuban Giants record against minor league teams between 1885 and 1897: 62-87

    The Cuban Giants record as a team in three minor leagues from 1889 to 1891: 103-40-1

    The 1894 Cuban Giants had a 12-5 record against minor league teams and a 13-9 victory over the St. Louis NL team. They won 8 games in a row against minor league opponents.
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