View Poll Results: Let's Deal With Barry Bonds.

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  • I believe that Barry did not know he was using steroids, when his trainer gave him Clear/Cream.

    8 2.57%
  • I believe that Barry was aware he was using steroids, when given Clear/Cream.

    259 83.28%
  • I have now dropped Barry Bonds below my Top 10 Position Players.

    89 28.62%
  • I still have Barry Bonds in my Top 10 Position Players.

    130 41.80%
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Thread: Let's Deal With Barry Bonds.

  1. #3301
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    Jun 2006
    north shore of boston
    This is from The Collegiate Paper - Bonds was blessed with great eyesight - the best this guy ever tested :
    The Baseball Vision Of Barry Bonds

    Barry Bonds homerBy LOU PAVLOVICH, JR.
    Editor/Collegiate Baseball
    2014 Collegiate Baseball

    LAGUNA BEACH, Calif. — Why isn’t more time spent training the eyes to see pitches better, fielding the ball more cleanly or training pitchers to have more command with more focused vision?

    Dr. Bill Harrison, the most renowned visual performance specialist the game of baseball has ever witnessed, has spent nearly 50 years studying how to train the vision of athletes at the highest level possible.

    He has worked with a who’s who list of current and future Hall of Famers in Major League baseball led by Barry Bonds, George Brett, and Greg Maddux, just to name a few. He’s also worked with more than half of the major league clubs, several colleges, universities and academies, including the original Kansas City Royals Baseball Academy.

    Dr. Harrison has taught many other Major League hitters, fielders and pitchers how to improve their outward vision and internal vision skills to levels which have helped them excel. He has been instrumental in educating numerous coaches in the pro level about vision as well as on the college level and high school levels.

    In almost 50 years of vision testing Major League hitters, Barry Bonds has no equal, according to Dr. Harrison.

    Bonds may have had the greatest hitting specific vision of any batter in history the way he could stop from swinging at marginal pitches and go after pitches he could drive hard the vast majority of the time.

    “I have a battery of tests which I have performed on Major League players going back to the early ’70s for a number of organizations,” said Dr. Harrison.

    “In testing thousands of Major League hitters, Barry Bonds tested out with the highest vision readings of any baseball player we had ever worked with. I first saw him in 1986 during spring training as he came out of A ball after signing with the Pittsburgh Pirates’ organization after playing for Arizona State University. He was not considered a legitimate Major League prospect for the Pirates at the time.

    “When I tested Barry Bonds, I gathered all the information on him and left the room. Barry is the only player who had achieved 100 percent in each of those categories and subsequently received a 100 percent in terms of high level binocularity. I then talked to Syd Thrift, general manager of the Pirates. I told Syd that the last player I saw (Bonds) was the most visually gifted of all the players I had evaluated since 1971, which was 15 years at the time. I had never seen a baseball player as gifted visually and mentally as this guy.

    “Barry Bonds was in AAA for the Pirates’ organization that year. Around May, the Pirates’ AAA team was playing in Phoenix, and Syd Thrift asked me to watch and work with some of the players. I saw Barry in action for the first time, and he looked terrific. That evening, I called Syd and told him this guy really was phenomenal because he visually tracked every pitch, saw it deep and squaring the ball every time. Syd jumped on a plane the next morning for Phoenix.

    “In the middle of the contest the next day, Syd called Bonds out of the game and asked the manager to get the young ball player on a plane to Pittsburgh immediately. And the rest was history.

    “As I look back at evaluating many hitters on the professional, college and even high school levels close to 40 years now, Barry Bonds is still my gold standard. Barry had the whole picture when it came to all the aspects of vision I look for. He not only could he see pitches deep. But over time, he saw the ball early out of the hands of pitchers.

    “All the great hitters I have been around, which include people such as Barry Bonds, George Brett, Tony Gwynn, Rod Carew, among many others, really bought into the idea of seeing the ball right out of the pitcher’s hand. The method of getting there can be variable. It will only happen if the hitter is highly visual. I refer to being highly visual as almost being out of the body as the hitter is totally unaware of what the body is doing. They let their body go on automatic pilot. Generally, it will only work if the athlete is totally thought free.
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    Chris Rock

  2. #3302
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    Nov 2004
    Northern California
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    Wait what? Bonds was not considered a legitimate Major League prospect for the Pirates at the time? That is nonsense. Bonds was a first round draft choice (#6 pick) in 1985. Bonds played just 115 minor league games in 1985-86 and hit 303/.403/.540. He debuted in the majors less than a year after being drafted.
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  3. #3303
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    Aug 2005
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    Yesterday was the 14th anniversary of Bonds breaking McGwire's single season home run record. In other news Bonds lost his arbitration case to MLB over collusion back in August.

  4. #3304
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    In a house
    taking Bonds just from '86 through '87 or '98, and seeing his normal decline, as I wrote in "Completed Game" (a history of baseball with no strike fiascos), I see him still making just over 600 home runs and hanging on a few years too long to get to 600 steals, which would have knocked his career batting average down a fair amount and probably had him with a couple years of 20 steams and 22 caught stealings - his steals dropped a lot as he ballooned out, so he's have been more slender and able to steal, but he'd have lost speed naturally.

    I voted that he knew what he was taking, and furthermore I think his personality was such that he wanted something nobody could touch - hence his sticking around to be a 600-600 player.

    I didn't vote on top 10 position players, though, because I'm not sure how to say that he was better at outfield than Wagner at short or Berra or Bench or Gibson at catcher. And, a few years like the end of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's career might have tarnished his image for a time, making people think more of Rickey Henderson than Ted Williams or Stan Musial.

    Of course, Henderson is still a pretty incredible comparison.
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  5. #3305
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    Sep 2005
    Portland, OR
    133 pages of this thread. Amazing.
    "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

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