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    Best Player By Franchise?

    Who is each team's all-time best player? Here's the kicker though, the player had to have spent their entire career with the team (meaning, for example, no Babe Ruth for the Yankees, no Willie Mays for the Giants, and no Hank Aaron for Braves).
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    New York Yankees - you could go either way with Mantle or Gherig, take your pick.
    Seattle Mariners - Edgar Martinez, although some might say Ichiro, if you don't count his time in Japan as playing for another team.
    Boston Red Sox - easy - Ted Williams
    Chicago Cubs - Billy Williams ended his career with Oakland, so he's out, you might get a few votes for Mr. Santo, but it has to go to Mr. Cub himself - Ernie Banks
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    Pirates - Clemente
    Cardinals - Musial
    Indians - Feller
    Twins/Senators - WJohnson
    "real" Twins - Puckett
    Astros - Biggio
    Braves - Smoltz?
    Dodgers - JRobinson or Koufax
    Phillies - Schimdt
    Giants - Ott
    Reds - Bench
    Royals - Brett
    Brewers - Yount
    Orioles - Ripken
    Padres - Gwynn
    Red Sox - TWilliams
    White Sox - Appling
    Tigers - Kaline
    Cubs - Banks
    A's - ????

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    Here's some I thought of (this was more difficult than I thought it would be):

    Yankees: Lou Gehrig (I can see arguments for Mantle, but I prefer Gehrig)
    Red Sox: Ted Williams
    Blue Jays: No clue (I was going to say Dave Stieb, but he pitched 4 games with the White Sox in '93).
    Orioles: Cal Ripken Jr.
    Devil Rays: Carl Crawford?
    White Sox: Luke Appling
    Indians: Earl Averill (Larry Doby or Lou Boudreau would work here too)
    Twins: Kirby Puckett
    Tigers: Al Kaline (Charlie Gehringer would work too)
    Royals: George Brett
    Angels: Tim Salmon
    Athletics: Eric Chavez? For all the great players that have played for the A's, they all seemed to have spent some time on other teams.
    Rangers: Rusty Greer?
    Mariners: Edgar Martinez

    Braves: Chipper Jones
    Phillies: Mike Schmidt
    Marlins: Miguel Cabrera?
    Mets: Ed Kranepool (Seriously, I can't think of anyone else)
    Nationals: No clue (Judging by these lists, one might think I have something against Canadian teams)
    Cardinals: Stan Musial
    Astros: Jeff Bagwell
    Brewers: Robin Yount
    Cubs: Ernie Banks
    Pirates: Roberto Clemente
    Reds: Johnny Bench
    Padres: Tony Gwynn
    Giants: Mel Ott
    Dodgers: Jackie Robinson (Roy Campanella is a good choice as well)
    Diamondbacks: No clue.
    Rockies: Todd Helton

    Going through this, it's really amazing how few first-tier, bonafied Hall of Famers played their entire careers with only one team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgartohof
    Chicago Cubs - Billy Williams ended his career with Oakland, so he's out, you might get a few votes for Mr. Santo, but it has to go to Mr. Cub himself - Ernie Banks
    Santo crossed my mind, but he spent a year with the White Sox.

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    For the Pirates Honus Wagner would obviously be a better choice than Clemente, if you're including Louisville as the Pirates because it was the same franchise.

    Ernie Banks is Mr.Cub, but I think it really should be Cap Anson. Ron Santo played one year with the cross town White Sox at the end of his career and is out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 538280
    For the Pirates Honus Wagner would obviously be a better choice than Clemente, if you're including Louisville as the Pirates because it was the same franchise.
    It wasn't the same franchise. Barney Dreyfuss owned Louisville in 1899. Then he brought Pittsburgh and moved his best players to the Pirates, while Louisville was contracted. So he essentially merged the teams, but Louisville was a separate franchise from Pittsburgh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleX
    Santo crossed my mind, but he spent a year with the White Sox.
    I totally forgot that, thanks for reminding me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 538280
    Ernie Banks is Mr.Cub, but I think it really should be Cap Anson. Ron Santo played one year with the cross town White Sox at the end of his career and is out.
    I'd personally still go with Banks over Anson, but Anson might not even be in the running if you also include his NA playing.

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    [QUOTE=DoubleX]
    Here's some I thought of (this was more difficult than I thought it would be):

    Indians: Earl Averill (Larry Doby or Lou Boudreau would work here too)
    Sorry, but Averill ended his career playing out the string with Detroit and Boston. Larry Doby played for the White Sox at the end.

    Yankees Fan Since 1957

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleX

    Sorry, but Averill ended his career playing out the string with Detroit and Boston. Larry Doby played for the White Sox at the end.
    Good catch. Even Boudrea spent two years with Boston. Hmm..Al Rosen for Cleveland? I suppose I could go with Bob Feller if I was considering pitchers.

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    You could add Barry Larkin to the Reds' list....not quite as good as Bench, but a great player with one franchise too. Maybe the Reds win the boobie prize for having 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleX
    Good catch. Even Boudrea spent two years with Boston. Hmm..Al Rosen for Cleveland? I suppose I could go with Bob Feller if I was considering pitchers.
    Anybody want to hazard a guess as to who the Indians' all time leader in games played is? I'll bet you weren't thinking this guy.

    As to the Mets... forget the rules of this little game; who's the best position player in Mets history, period? Piazza is more of a Dodger. Who's next? Daryll? Howard Johnson?
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    Quote Originally Posted by baseballPAP
    You could add Barry Larkin to the Reds' list....not quite as good as Bench, but a great player with one franchise too. Maybe the Reds win the boobie prize for having 2?
    I think if there is a booby prize to be won, it's probably going to go to the Yankees (Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio, Dickey).

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    franchise players

    what about yogi berra for the yanks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHalo
    Anybody want to hazard a guess as to who the Indians' all time leader in games played is? I'll bet you weren't thinking this guy.

    As to the Mets... forget the rules of this little game; who's the best position player in Mets history, period? Piazza is more of a Dodger. Who's next? Daryll? Howard Johnson?
    Off the top of my head I'd say Bud Harrelson, but after checking...bingo, its Kranepool and by a bunch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by christian gentleman
    what about yogi berra for the yanks?
    He had 9 ABs with the Mets in '65, so that takes him out of the running.

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    The DiamondBacks don't have any franchise players because there is only 2 left since the 2001 ws victory. And it is Craig Counsell and Louis Gonzalez; two veterans who have played for different teams. Of course, unless you count rookies that can't play worth a lick .
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    You could make a team out of career Giants:

    Bill Terry
    Mel Ott
    Mike Tiernan
    Ross Youngs
    Travis Jackson
    Jim Davenport
    Jo Jo Moore

    and on the mound:

    Jeff Tesreau
    Carl Hubbell
    Hal Schumacher

    and in relief:

    Ace Adams
    Scott Garrelts

    and a backup who'd have to start since I only put up seven players:
    Robby Thompson

    That was fun. Maybe I'll do another team. Any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHalo
    Anybody want to hazard a guess as to who the Indians' all time leader in games played is? I'll bet you weren't thinking this guy.
    I believe it was Terry Turner. Under the rules of the question, I would probably go with either Feller or Lemon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzaldrin
    You could make a team out of career Giants:

    Bill Terry
    Mel Ott
    Mike Tiernan
    Ross Youngs
    Travis Jackson
    Jim Davenport
    Jo Jo Moore

    and on the mound:

    Jeff Tesreau
    Carl Hubbell
    Hal Schumacher

    and in relief:

    Ace Adams
    Scott Garrelts

    and a backup who'd have to start since I only put up seven players:
    Robby Thompson

    That was fun. Maybe I'll do another team. Any suggestions?
    Not a bad team. How do you think it would fair against this team:

    C: Bill Dickey
    1B: Don Mattingly
    2B: Bobby Richardson
    SS: Derek Jeter
    3B: Gil McDougald
    LF: Bernie Williams
    CF: Joe DiMaggio
    RF: Mickey Mantle
    DH: Lou Gehrig

    Bench: Thurman Munson, Phil Rizzuto, Frank Crosetti, Tommy Henrich, Roy White

    SP1: Whitey Ford
    SP2: Ron Guidry
    SP3: Mel Stottlemyre
    SP4: Spud Chandler

    CL: Mariano Rivera
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    What about the MArlisn. How many franchise players ar5e there?
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    holy #2 pencil, xx, that yankee roster is loaded.
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    The Reds:
    C-Bench
    1B-Long John Reilly
    2B-Bid McPhee
    SS-Larkin
    3B-yipes!
    LF-Adam Dunn
    CF-Bug Holliday
    RF-Austin Kearns
    Bench-they don't have one

    Pitchers-Mario Soto

    Despite the longer history, the Reds can't come close to a decent team. Throw out the old American Association Reds, and there is hardly onyone past Bench and Larkin.

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    Yeah, them Yankees look pretty tough. try doing the Red Sox, though, Ted Williams, Yaz, Bobby Doerr, Rico, the little Professor, Varitek, Gator Greenwell, Trot Nixon and a whole lotta nothing.

    Rube Foster, Ray Collins, Tex Hughson, Mel Parnell, Tom Brewer, and Bob Stanley is one of the least inspiring pitching staffs I can imagine for a franchise.

    and that's the best they got.

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