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    Sparks, you've got at least three different issue percolating here now -- pitching time on a Fall travel ball team, recognition on the football team, and recognition now as a varsity player on the varsity team. Each involves different coaches and different issues.

    The recurring theme is one that dates back to the start of the thread -- a hyper-concern about what is happening on a single given day. And, this concern seems to trickle down to your boy and has led to frustration. I doubt if there is an athlete alive who can't point to a given time in his career where he felt his skill levels weren't appreciated by his coach. See, Jordan, Michael, e.g. Yet, they, like your boy, were ultimately recognized when it counted and go ttheir chance.

    Why is someone else pitching in travel ball? Who knows. Maybe your kid is more valuable as an every day player. Maybe the coach has promised the other kid's parents that he'll get a chance -- presumably he's paying the same amount as your kid and deserves just as much of a chance, and there's only seven to nine innings in a game for the coach to parcel out pitching assignments. Perhaps he's saving your boy for the games that count, or realizes that he doesn't need the experience on the mound that less accomplished pitchers do. Maybe the coach is sleeping with the kid's Mom. But it's his call. And your boy's job is to be the best catcher or SS or substitute -- and certainly the best teammate -- he can be and enjoy the camaraderie of the low key life of Fall ball. But it's only August, fercryinoutloud. Be glad that he's not overtaxing his arm and don't worry about the wins and losses if the coach isn't.

    I won't speak to football. Given the lack of protection your boy got last year, it's good that he's out of it.

    As for varsity, it's hard to imagine that the roster being posted in August will have a whole lot of bearing on what's going on in January and February. C'mon - his coach pitched him in playoff games last Spring. Do you really think he's decided for no reason between then and now that your kid stinks? Have your kid improve and, if you're getting close to the big "trip down south" and he's not being included, maybe he can arrange to meet with the coach and find out what the coach's plans are for him, perhaps saying, "I'd like a chance to do a bullpen for you to show you how I've advanced in the hope you'll think of me as a varsity player from the get-go." But handing sophs a spot on the varsity before the season starts can be a dicey proposition politically. If he opts to keep him on the JV at the beginning, let the upperclassmen enjoy the trip, knowing that he'll get his time to go in the future.

    But for hevvinsakes let him enjoy each moment on the field for what it is -- whether it's as a catcher or shortstop or pitcher -- and not worry about what it may or may not signify as to his status. Otherwise you'll drive him, yourself, and his coaches nuts -- probably for no reason. And let him learn the life lesson that sometimes others will get short-term opportunities that he won't, and he just has to flow with it until his skills are recognized and rewarded. There's no bigger cancer in real life than the employee who worries about the perks and benefits of his co-workers rather than just going out and working for the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-mac View Post
    I was at a pitching camp when a college coach said that they were more concerned about accuracy than velocity. The dad of a player on that team was right beside me and starting laughing, saying that the college coaches got a lot more interested in his son when he hit 94 on the gun and his scholarship money offer went to 100%.
    It's a lot easier to tame control than improve velocity 10mph. I played Legion ball with a pitcher who was scary wild. He threw 93 in high school. In college he was up to 97mph. In college he could dot the I on a hitter's jersey if he wanted. Unfortunately he always had a fragile psyche. When he injured his arm it was all over.
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  3. Our travel team won it's second tournament this past weekend.

    This is was the 4th tournament our team has played in since they started in the 16U group. My boy pitched for the first time in this tournament. Come to find out the coach didn't even know my boy was a pitcher. They asked him to be on the team because they needed a SS and a catcher. My boy just wanted to be on the team so he never told the coach he was a pitcher (I actually think he was a little scared to tell him).

    Well, I'm not hyping this up when I tell you about the team he had to pitch against. They were pounding every team they played and all of the boys on that team were huge and had great arms. My boy talked to one of them and he said they didn't even know each others name. I don't know how or who picked the boys to be on that team but obviously they were hand picked, which is fine of course.....that's part of travel ball.

    Anyway, my boy had a no-hitter going into the sixth inning. He had not pitched in over 4 months and he simply dominated that group of boys who had been killing the ball all tournament. In the end he struck out 7 walked one. In the 6th inning he started to get tired and after walking one he hit two batters in a roll. Then he had 2 errors behind him and 4 unearned runs scored (all in the 6th inning).

    I have no idea how hard my boy was throwing but no body in that tournament threw harder than him. He talked to one of the boys on the "big" team and he told him that three of the boys on that team threw 85+ (it looked like it because they had impressive arms). If they were throwing 85mph then my boy was throwing 86. My little bushnell gun simply will not work on the big fields where the mound is so far away. Doesn't matter anyway because he was hitting his spots and pitched one of the best games he'd pitched in years.

    We pulled the game out though and won the championship!

    I had forgotten how much fun this travel ball is.

    Next weekend we travel and play in a state championship tournament.

    Sparks

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    If I had a 2014 throwing 86, he would not be pitching for a fall team (unless it was East Cobb in July or Jupiter in Oct).

    I he can gain 4 mph, he will be visiting D1 schools next fall. If he gets hurt...

    You are very,very close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparksdale View Post
    Well, I'm not hyping this up when I tell you about the team he had to pitch against. They were pounding every team they played and all of the boys on that team were huge and had great arms. My boy talked to one of them and he said they didn't even know each others name. I don't know how or who picked the boys to be on that team but obviously they were hand picked, which is fine of course.....that's part of travel ball.

    Anyway, my boy had a no-hitter going into the sixth inning. He had not pitched in over 4 months and he simply dominated that group of boys who had been killing the ball all tournament. In the end he struck out 7 walked one. In the 6th inning he started to get tired and after walking one he hit two batters in a roll. Then he had 2 errors behind him and 4 unearned runs scored (all in the 6th inning).

    I have no idea how hard my boy was throwing but no body in that tournament threw harder than him. He talked to one of the boys on the "big" team and he told him that three of the boys on that team threw 85+ (it looked like it because they had impressive arms). If they were throwing 85mph then my boy was throwing 86. My little bushnell gun simply will not work on the big fields where the mound is so far away. Doesn't matter anyway because he was hitting his spots and pitched one of the best games he'd pitched in years.

    We pulled the game out though and won the championship!

    I had forgotten how much fun this travel ball is.

    Next weekend we travel and play in a state championship tournament.
    Sparks:

    I just picked up on this addition to the thread. Congratulations to the young man for his great tournament.



    Now, put one of these pictures in a frame and put it next to your computer. The next time you're tempted to write a post along the lines of, "My boy is so discouraged/frustrated/depressed because he didn't do as well as he'd hoped or didn't get the recognition he'd hoped," look at the picture. Take a deep breath. Count your blessings. Then wait for the next occasion to boast.

    Let us know how the state championship tournament goes.

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  7. Ursa,

    I don't know how you did it but thanks so much. I printed that picture off and put it in an 8x10 frame...... I love it.

    Thanks again...

    Sparks

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    Nicely done Ursa...
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  9. Got back from the State Travel Ball tournament a little while ago.....

    As it turns out, and if any of you know about travel ball we had to play the best team in the Semi's on Sunday to get into the championship game. Its win or go home so teams can't save their best pitchers for the finals because if you don't win you don't make it to the finals.

    Well, my boy was given the ball to pitch in this game.

    HE FLAT OUR DOMINATED THEM. Wow... he was just incredible. He pitched the entire game struck out 9 batters and gave up three earned runs. I swear I think he would have struck out more but in the last two innings I guess they figured they couldn't hit him so they started bunting. Good for us of course because they were easy outs.

    Anyway, WE WON THE STATE! Wow oh wow oh wow..... amazing.

    Its such a great group of young men and not my boy or any single boy was the MVP. They all had to play well to win and they did.

    Not sure what my boy hit but he had to have hit around .700 in the tournament. He only got out three times. Most of his hits were singles with one long double.

    We had a great time.

    Sparks

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    WOW!!! Fantastic Sparks, congratulations . . . makes for some wonderful lifetime memories.

    I really enjoy reading thing like this . . .
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparksdale View Post
    Its such a great group of young men and not my boy or any single boy was the MVP. They all had to play well to win and they did.

    We had a great time.
    . . . win or lose . . . this is what it's all about.

    So happy he and you are able to enjoy such happiness together, knowing all of the difficult obstacles that had to be overcome to get to where you're both today.


    Great story, thanks for including us,
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    Dang it all, Sparks! How in heck are we going to turn this story into a movie if he peaks at the beginning of his sophomore year?

    Congrats to the kid and his team. Wish I'd been there to watch.... not him - I've seen dominating pitchers before. No, I wish I'd been there to watch you go crazy but try to hold it together. (Which is exactly what any of the rest of us would have tried to do in like circumstances.) Mazel tov!

  12. Ursa,

    Man talk about yelling..... I'm not kidding I can't talk I'm horse right now.

    I"m not sure we are the best team but I tell you our boys are special. I've never seen a group of baseball players like them. They truly all love each other and are like a group of brothers. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY complains about where they are playing or if they are playing or anything. It's amazing how they all pull for each other. It's really special to see these kids play.

    Two of the mothers have cancer on our team and all our boys wore pink bands on their arms. I mean, these tough 16 year old kids wearing pink bands. But its just something they do and don't think twice about it.

    Listen to this...... personally I was impressed. After my boy pitched I told him he struck out 9 batters and jokingly I said " just think how many you would have struck out if you had your fastball". I figure was a couple of miles off. This was his reply.... "I couldn't throw my best fastball for a strike so I just threw the best fastball that I could get for a strike, and kept them off balance with my curve". I don't know..... I just don't know many kids that have enough confidence to pitch in such a big game against such a good team and have the knowledge to know what he can and can't do on the mound. I've seen so many pitchers down through the years that if they can't get there best fastball over they just try to throw harder and harder....which of course is the last thing you want to do. He just concentrated on location and didn't have his best fastball and they still couldn't hit it.

    Amazing time we had.... amazing.

    Sparks

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    Great story Sparks... Keep em coming.
    I was fortunate enough to coach several teams like you describe above and there is nothing better.
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  14. 6 years

    Believe it or not this coming Thursday my boy will turn 16 years old.
    I stared this thread when he was 10. It's been a 6 year journey so far that has been full of joy and a lot of pain. It's hard to believe so much has happened since that day he played his first game.

    Once again I find myself a little down..... In all honesty I think I've let the little feller down. He turns 16 in three days and I just can't find a way to buy him a car. It seems all of his friends are pretty well off and it seems every one of them is getting a new car. Heck, I can't even get my boy a used one. He's given me so much these past few years and I've let him down again.

    But there is so much to be thankful for.....other than looking to the sky and thanking the big man himself I think I'd love to meet Alexander Cartwright and tell him thank you. The game of baseball has meant so much to me and my family and I can't imagine our lives the past 6 years if we hadn't had baseball. It's more than just a game... its a game of life that has helped me teach my boy many things. How to be a teammate and respect your coach and work hard. Although he's stumbled a few times these past few years he's still playing the game and loving it. Maybe that's one of the things I'm proudest of.... he still loves the game.

    I hope he will forgive me for letting him down.

    Someday I'll tell him about this thread and maybe he will be able to see this journey we've taken. And although I'm old school and find it hard to express my emotions maybe just maybe he will see how much I truly love him and thank him for making my life a pure joy.

    Sparks

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    Sparks, after everything written in this thread, you are worried about not being able to get him a car? In the scheme of things this is a very small item, especially at 16. JMHO
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  16. Then and now

    This is a picture of him after he had first come to live with us.....he had been living with us for a couple of months and had actually gained a little weight. He weighed 49pounds as six year old and we were concerned about his health.

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    Below is a picture of him after we won the State this past weekend.

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    It has really been a wonderful journey this past six years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Patterson View Post
    Sparks, after everything written in this thread, you are worried about not being able to get him a car? In the scheme of things this is a very small item, especially at 16. JMHO
    Uh, I think this kid has his head screwed on straight enough to not worry about maybe having to (a) borrow your car, or (b) ride with friends. If anything, I'm betting that he's more worried about how disappointed you might be feeling than he will about not having a car for himself. Kids have a pretty good sense of what the family's overall financial picture is, so he should not be surprised that a car for him is not in the works.... and so there's nothing to forgive because you can't afford it. It's not like you're a millionaire who is denying him a car simply out of spite. The conversation should be simple (but don't hold it on his 16th birthday): "You've probably guessed that a separate car for you isn't in the cards right now, but so long as you show yourself to be a responsible driver and keep your grades up, we can work out a system so that you can have access to a car when you need it."

    Ursa Minor is 17 and still doesn't have his license, and is not in any hurry to get it. (In California, he can't drive other minors around until after he's had his license for a year, so the motivation to get a license so as to be able to either take a girl out on a date or to horse around with friends does not exist. And we have BART, which will get him most places.) So, I've saved a bunch on car insurance and I don't have to worry about his driving and the risk of an accident. (Then again, I have to haul his lazy arse around more than I'd like.) And, of course, if he can drive in states where he's permitted passengers of the opposite sex, there's the risk of an entirely different sort of 'accident' , if you catch my drift. Frankly, you're better off that he doesn't drive so much.

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    When I was a Senior. I got a part-time job bought a car... Thought I was a hot ticket being one of the few with a car and some money... Then I had to work more to buy the gas, insurance, fix the car, etc. School sports became impossible because of my hours - and had to quit. Clutch blew on the car and I had to make the choice between a clutch and the annual class trip to Washington...

    I see the team and class trip pictures today and think "What and idiot."
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Jake Patterson View Post
    When I was a Senior. I got a part-time job bought a car... Thought I was a hot ticket being one of the few with a car and some money... Then I had to work more to buy the gas, insurance, fix the car, etc. School sports became impossible because of my hours - and had to quit. Clutch blew on the car and I had to make the choice between a clutch and the annual class trip to Washington...

    I see the team and class trip pictures today and think "What and idiot."

    When I turned 16 my dad told me I could have any car that "I could afford". I was working at a grocery store at the time and I had saved up a little money.
    I found a 1976 dodge dart parked in a guys front yard. I should have known something was up because the grass was grown up to around under it and came up to the doors. I paid him $100 for it and it smoked like crazy all the way home from burning oil. The best part is IT DIDN'T HAVE A BACK FLOOR BOARD.

    It was ugly, it stunk and I figured it had maybe two months of running at best before it blew. But by George it was mine and it had a RADIO!

    I drove it for a while and found another dodge dart that didn't run but I bought it for parts.

    One day I came home from school and both cars was gone and so was the motorcycle I had had for a couple of years (a Honda 350). Dad apologized but told me he had to sell them to pay the power bill.

    I guess I just want things better for my boy..... but everyone is having a tough time in this economy.....everyone.

    ON the bright side my boy and his team got their picture in today's paper.

    Also, we looked on the USSSA website and his team are the #1 ranked 16U team in the nation. Now that just pretty darn cool.

    Sparks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Patterson View Post
    When I was a Senior. I got a part-time job bought a car...
    But, I think Model Ts were only $500 back then

    /running

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